Hunter Greene Out Through the 2027 Season

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The worst-case scenario for Hunter Greene’s elbow has come to pass. The ace right-hander had Tommy John surgery on Thursday, ending his 2026 season and almost certainly knocking him out for the entire 2027 season, too. This was Greene’s second elbow procedure this season; a previous arthroscopic surgery to remove loose bodies delayed his seasonal debut until Independence Day. Greene’s 2026 season wraps up with a 6.83 ERA, but a better 3.55 FIP over 27 2/3 innings in five starts. This is a full Tommy John revision — Greene previously had Tommy John surgery in 2019 — and not the internal brace procedure that tends to have a quicker recovery.

Suffice it to say, this is a major blow for both Greene and the Cincinnati Reds. For Greene, it’s the latest (and scariest) injury setback in a professional career that has never seen him throw enough innings to qualify for an ERA title. There comes a point at which one starts to wonder if he has crossed the proverbial Rubicon, the point where teams now can’t realistically tell themselves that they can keep him healthy as a starting pitcher. His fastball-splitter-slider repertoire would almost certainly play nicely in relief, though he’ll be hard-pressed to make the same impact as a closer as he could as a legitimate frontline starter.

For the Reds, a rotation eventually topped with a one-two punch of Greene and Chase Burns, with Andrew Abbott a perfectly reasonable third starter, a low-key free agent as their fourth man, and the best-looking of the in-house options rounding out the quintet, was supposed to be the team’s greatest asset going forward. Losing Greene for a very long time, and quite possibly permanently from the rotation, puts a giant hole in what was the team’s only real source of strength. The bullpen has been lousy, the offense is last in the league in wRC+, and the defense is very average.

There was an alternate timeline in which things worked out differently. A terrible June delivered a major blow to the Reds’ postseason odds, but they still held out at least some hope that if they could immediately start winning again upon Greene’s return, they could go on a wild-card run. As I wrote at the time, the team’s next couple of weeks were absolutely crucial for maintaining their October chances. But the Reds went just 6-8, winning only a single series (against the lowly Rockies), and their playoff probabilities dwindled to teensy fractions of a percent.

Losing Greene for 2026 is a moot point for the Reds right now, but losing him for 2027 basically puts them in a position where, unless they spend aggressively this offseason, they’ll go into the year without any particular team strength, just scattered highlights like Burns and Elly De La Cruz. Projecting Cincinnati’s rotation options for 2027, including Greene if he were healthy, reveals just how much work this team will have to do to fill his void.

2027 ZiPS Projections – Cincinnati Starting Pitchers
Player W L ERA G GS IP H R ER HR BB SO ERA+ FIP WAR
Chase Burns 10 7 3.67 32 30 157.0 132 69 64 21 49 180 116 3.55 3.1
Andrew Abbott 8 8 4.16 30 30 166.7 163 83 77 23 55 141 103 4.31 2.4
Hunter Greene 6 5 3.74 19 19 108.3 83 49 45 13 36 125 114 3.66 2.0
Nick Lodolo 5 6 4.74 23 23 117.7 112 67 62 17 36 112 90 4.44 1.0
Rhett Lowder 6 7 4.74 26 23 117.7 117 67 62 16 42 98 90 4.46 0.9
Chase Petty 6 9 5.27 29 22 109.3 112 69 64 16 44 80 81 4.95 0.2
Julian Aguiar 3 5 5.44 20 19 87.7 91 57 53 14 32 63 78 5.14 0.0
Brandon Williamson 3 5 5.58 15 15 69.3 71 46 43 11 33 51 76 5.36 0.0
Chase Solesky 4 7 5.54 24 16 87.7 97 58 54 15 31 62 77 5.14 -0.1
Jose Franco 3 5 5.56 29 15 87.3 88 58 54 14 44 75 77 5.21 -0.1
Nestor Lorant 3 7 5.84 20 15 81.7 89 57 53 14 32 55 73 5.37 -0.4
Luke Hayden 3 6 6.78 21 21 82.3 91 67 62 14 54 50 63 6.35 -1.1

Greene wasn’t projected for a ton of innings in 2027 due to his injury history, but 108 1/3 innings of a very good pitcher with high upside is a lot better than zero. And there was always at least a chance that the team would roll high on Greene for a change, and maybe even get in 150-170 innings of work. With that possibility now erased, like a time-diagnostic photograph from Back to the Future, the 2027 rotation looks to be in pretty poor shape.

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The impending lockout only complicates things for the Reds. Even in a normal offseason, it’s not likely that the team’s owner, Phil Castellini (father Bob officially stepped down as controlling owner in February), would be aggressive about spending money in the winter on a high-end pitcher. But with Reds ownership widely believed to be hardliners on the salary cap, with the elder Castellini even voting against the very limited player gains that ended the 2022 lockout, it’s hard to believe that this is a team that was going to spend heavily. Last time, there was a flurry of signings in the days right before the players were locked out, but Cincinnati almost definitely won’t be participating all that much if history repeats itself.

So, where does this leave the Reds? In the (obviously) very preliminary 2027 projections, ZiPS sees them as the worst team in the NL Central.

2027 ZiPS Projected Median Standings – NL Central
Team W L GB Pct Div% WC% Playoff% WS Win% 80th 20th
Chicago Cubs 87 75 .537 33.9% 26.0% 59.9% 6.2% 94.8 79.5
Milwaukee Brewers 86 76 1 .531 33.1% 26.2% 59.3% 6.4% 94.8 79.2
Pittsburgh Pirates 83 79 4 .512 19.3% 24.5% 43.8% 2.1% 91.1 75.6
St. Louis Cardinals 79 83 8 .488 10.3% 19.8% 30.1% 1.6% 87.7 73.3
Cincinnati Reds 76 86 11 .469 3.4% 9.8% 13.2% 0.3% 82.9 68.6

Obviously, there’s a whole offseason for things to change, but as a starting point, this is not a great place for a… let’s say thrifty… team to be in if it plans on being even a wild-card contender. Complicating things is that the farm system, at least by our reckoning, ranks near the bottom of the league, at 25th. That’s down from 21st in the preseason and 18th at the end of last season. If the team can’t add talent via its wallet, it will be hard-pressed to use the farm system to either beef up the roster or acquire high-end major league talent. It’s much harder to simply hoodwink other teams than it used to be; neither Dave Stewart nor Ruben Amaro Jr. is likely to snag a GM job this winter.

This version of the Cincinnati Reds is not yet doomed, but you can see the writing on the wall. They’re basically in the position of a major character on HBO’s The House of the Dragon; they’re still alive and kicking, but you know the final season is coming, and the source material it’s (mostly) based on has them facing their end in just a few months. The loss of Hunter Greene, when combined with the team’s inability to lock up Elly De La Cruz on a long-term extension, means that the looming fire sale is no longer beyond the horizon but on it — and quickly approaching.





Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.

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maximus74Member since 2025
13 days ago

and there’s a drive into deep left field by Castellanos

millvillemeltdownMember since 2026
13 days ago
Reply to  maximus74

i don’t know if i’ll be putting on this headset again.

raregokusMember since 2022
13 days ago
Reply to  maximus74

I think of myself as a man of faith,

dangledangleMember since 2024
13 days ago

Its stinks to have someone as talented as Green go down after actualizing his potential the last two seasons though last year was interrupted by injury. It felt inevitable from the moment he arrived that any pitcher that throws as hard as he does will go down this way. Verlander is/was a freak in terms of having that level of velocity and not going down with TJ until late in his career. I’m very concerned about Misiorowski and I would like if he dialed back the heat at the same time he’s been incredible.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
10 days ago
Reply to  dangledangle

Schlittler is the guy I am most concerned about, followed by Misiorowski. And then Burns. These guys are so good but it’s scary.

airforce21oneMember since 2026
8 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

It’s not “if”, it’s “when” for all of them.

JoeyVottoIsGoneMember since 2016
13 days ago

As a lifelong Reds fan, this is incredibly depressing. What’s even worse is all of the people who will retcon Hunter Greene’s career someday and claim he was “never good,” much like some people still say Homer Bailey was “never good” even though he had two separate no-hitters. Anyway, eat Arby’s.

Murph3Member since 2020
13 days ago

The 2027 projections tell me that, even when ZIPS is trying to hate the Reds, it still hates the Brewers.

KeithMember since 2024
11 days ago
Reply to  Murph3

Yep, I was thinking the same thing. The Crew will win 95 games and we’ll all act surprised….again!

johansantana17Member since 2026
13 days ago

Why does life suck

NATS FanMember since 2018
13 days ago

Time for a new reds rebuild. I know a team that is in need of an all star SS as of today.

NATS FanMember since 2018
13 days ago
Reply to  NATS Fan

actually i am kidding. Sorry for your loss. Turns like this suck. It looked like a decent rotation with more upside for 2027. At least you have Jose Franco looking very close to ready.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
10 days ago

A couple months ago I said something about how Hunter Greene was a best case scenario for Seth Hernandez. But now it seems like Hunter Greene is a normal scenario for Seth Hernandez. Greene is pretty impressive and a healthy version of him is a #2 at least but it’s hard to see how he can keep throwing fireballs like he does and stay healthy at the same time.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
10 days ago

It is both bad planning and bad luck to have teams calling about Hunter Greene this offseason and them to say no, and now it’s going to be 2028 before we see him again.

I don’t think there is an easy way out of this one. There are only about six players on the roster right now who are starters on a good team. Right now they have Burns and Stewart through either 2030 or 2031. They could try and lock up EDLC for the next decade and just hope he stays healthy and continues to improve. They could trade Abbott and Bleday and hope McLain bounces back.

But they don’t have a ton of help coming, so it’s doubtful that they could add enough prospects to build a winner around Burns / Stewart / EDLC / Duno. And they can’t easily trade Burns so soon after signing an extension without it hurting their ability to sign players to extensions in the future. This team is simply stuck.

JoeyVottoIsGoneMember since 2016
10 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

It’s a bleak outlook.It’s going to get bad, and fan apathy is increasing.

airforce21oneMember since 2026
8 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

You’ve mentioned similar things about the Reds a few times now. Looking around the league, how many “starters on a good team” do you see on the Marlins? White Sox? Rockies? Royals? Astros? Rangers? Angels? Nationals? Pirates? Giants?

If the bar is “six starters on a good team”, I’m seeing a decent number of other teams that don’t quite make it. Greene/Abbott/Burns/Stewart/ELDC/McLain is a pretty good core to build around – better than a lot of teams – and you can make an argument that Lodolo and Singer could contribute as well.

maguroMember since 2016
8 days ago
Reply to  airforce21one

You’ve named a bunch of other teams that aren’t good. Now what? The Reds are still in a bad situation.

AdvantageSchneiderMember since 2018
10 days ago

We don’t have to be concerned with Hunter Greene’s career as a starting pitcher. He is an entire year younger than River Ryan after all.