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Brainless Investing · Jan 12, 2025

Howard Marks is On Bubble Watch

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TJ Terwilliger · Brainless Investing

When Howard Marks speaks, Warren Buffett listens. Literally—Buffett says he stops whatever he's doing when one of Marks' memos lands on his desk.

Marks just released a new memo called "On Bubble Watch," and it couldn't be more timely.

With market valuations stretching higher and higher, everyone's asking the same question: Are we in a bubble?

Let's set the stage for why Howard is writing this memo: Today's market shows concerning signs of a possible bubble.

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Source: JP Morgan
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Source: JP Morgan

So it's clear that investors are willing to pay a lot for US stocks versus the rest of the world.

And that investors are willing to pay a lot for the top 8 or 10 stocks in the US compared to the rest of the US market.

But is it a bubble?

Howard says to forget what you think you know about bubbles—they're not about rapid price increases. They're about the psychology driving those increases. Marks identifies four key warning signs:

  • Irrational Exuberance: When excitement about investments becomes completely detached from reality

  • Blind Optimism: The widespread belief that failure is impossible

  • FOMO Gone Wild: Fear of missing out reaches fever pitch

  • “No Price Too High" Mentality”: Investors convince themselves that paying any price is justified

Innovation is a double-edged sword in investing. Here's why:

  • New technologies or business models lack historical precedent

  • Without precedent, there are no constraints on valuations

  • This freedom from historical anchors can lead investors astray

  • Even when the innovation succeeds (like the internet), investors can still lose money

Here’s an incomplete list of innovations that resulted in bubbles and massive losses for investors:

  • The first bank of the United States

  • Canals

  • Plank roads

  • Bicycles

  • Radio

  • Railroads

  • The internet

  • Fiber optic cables

Current market valuations are flashing warning signs:

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Source: JP Morgan

The evidence is mixed. Here's what we know:

Arguments for a bubble:

  • Market valuations are historically high

  • Concentration in a few mega-cap stocks

  • Widespread optimism about certain sectors

Arguments against:

  • P/E ratios have been higher in the past

  • The "Magnificent Seven" are highly profitable

  • Investors still show some price sensitivity

  • Strong earnings expectations for U.S. companies

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Source: JP Morgan

What every investor needs to understand:

  • Psychology drives bubbles more than prices

  • Innovation often leads to valuation extremes

  • Starting valuations heavily influence future returns

  • The U.S. market is expensive but maybe not in bubble territory

I’m going to repeat the conclusion I wrote from my article on “The Less-Efficient Market Hypothesis” - a paper by Cliff Asness of AQR.

Howard’s memo talks a lot about the psychology required to create a bubble.

I think Cliff’s gives a good explanation of the current trends that might be driving that psychology.

Cliff concludes that bubbles may occur more often, in larger magnitude, and last longer than in the past.

This means that disciplined, value-based strategies may make more money in the long-term. The downside is that they’re going to be harder to stick with. The periods of underperformance will be more severe and will last longer.

  • Indexing more

  • Hiding in private equity

  • Moving to momentum / trend following

A side note: Terry Smith has recently pointed out, and I tend to agree with him that indexing and momentum are essentially the same thing. Momentum buys more of whatever is going up. In a market-cap weighted index, you buy more of what's expensive i.e. going up. 

Cliff offers 5 pieces of advice:

  • Try to become as logical and rational as possible, while recognizing that you’re human and can’t be perfect.

  • Study history

    • Recognize that drawdowns and underperformance feel longer than they are.

    • The list of previous innovation driven bubbles I wrote in this article is another good thing to understand

  • Have as long of a time horizon as possible

    • “a long-term horizon is the closest thing to an investing superpower”

  • Look at the portfolio, not individual pieces

    • If you’re actually diversified, something will always be underperforming. Remember why it’s there.

    • Accept that higher rewards come with higher volatility. Size your positions appropriately

  • Improve your process

  • Markets are less efficient

    • Technology, gamification, 24/7 trading on phones, social media are likely the biggest culprits

      • Side note: In case it isn’t obvious, if we are currently in or moving towards a bubble, this is what will likely drive the “bubble thinking” that Howard Marks wrote about in his memo

  • Ups and downs will be bigger and last longer

    • That will make more money for people who can stick to it long-term, but it will be harder to do so

    • Indexing is a very reasonable option for those who can’t stick with it

  • Old-school, active value and quality stock-picking have had lots of people leave the strategies

    • Creates an opportunity for smart investors to take advantage of

I think Cliff makes a pretty convincing argument. If you’ve spent any time at all on social media, especially Reddit or the platform formerly known as Twitter, you’ll see the crowd becoming mob-like.

Warren Buffett’s famous quote is very applicable here:

The Fear & Greed Index is currently in Fear:

BUT - that index talks about what is currently driving the market.

This can easily shift from day to day and week to week.

Looking at the valuations of US stocks, and the concentration in the biggest companies within the US market, I think it’s hard to argue that investors are fearful overall.

That doesn’t mean that bargains and good investments aren’t out there. It just means you should be very cautious and very selective.

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