Welcome to the Patterns Podcast. Each episode we sit down with the leaders and builders defining how modern digital products come to life. From systems and tools to culture and decision making, we dig into what’s driving real impact today and shaping the future of how teams build.
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Building in the Age of Agents with Alex Wilson, Engineering Leader at T. Rowe Price.
Send us feedback or episode suggestions. Software teams are operating in an environment where the job description changes every two months. As agentic AI moves from novelty to real engineering capability, the assumptions that have held enterprise software together — long SaaS contracts, stable teams, predictable agile rhythms — are starting to bend. In this episode of Patterns, Chris Strahl talks…
Building Trust: Designing Product Ecosystems in the Age of AI
Send us feedback or episode suggestions. Digital products no longer exist as standalone apps. They live inside complex ecosystems of interfaces, AI systems, legacy infrastructure, and workflows that all have to work together. In this episode of Patterns , Chris Strahl talks with product design leader Andi Rusu about what it takes to design reliable digital experiences in environments where…
Inside the Alaska–Hawaiian Merger: Shipping a Multi-Brand Experience in 10 Months
Send us feedback or episode suggestions. The Alaska Airlines and Hawaiian Airlines merger came with physical and regulatory deadlines that dictated an inflexible 10-month delivery window for digital and design work. With the timeline tied to real-world change, combined design, product, and engineering teams had to build and ship alongside a transformation that was already in motion. Chris Strahl…
Designing the Learning Loop: Context, AI, and Compound Systems
Send us feedback or episode suggestions. In the first episode of Patterns , Chris Strahl sits down with Dave Brown, design leader at Qualtrics, to explore what modern systems thinking looks like in an AI-driven product landscape. Moving beyond traditional notions of software design, the conversation reframes product creation as a shift from a single golden path toward a world where every…
DSP 139. Why the Future of Digital Production Starts With Code, Not a Canvas
Send us feedback or episode suggestions. As AI compresses the distance between idea and execution, the abstractions that once made design tools necessary are becoming points of friction. In this conversation, Knapsack leaders Chris Strahl, Evan Lovely, and Robin Cannon make the case that the future of digital production starts in the medium products actually ship in, code. They unpack why design…
DSP 138. Scaling Inclusive Design: An Accessibility Conversation with Anna Thielke
Send us feedback or episode suggestions. How do teams turn accessibility from individual effort into system wide practice? Chris talks with Anna Thielke, founder and CEO of Mantis and Company, to find out. They explore why representation on system teams leads to better standards, how designing for the edges strengthens products for everyone, and what it takes for accessibility work to spread…
DSP 137. Why You Shouldn’t Aim for Perfect: Building Design Systems That Deliver Business Value with Noelle Lansford
Send us feedback or episode suggestions. If you’ve ever struggled to balance perfection with business reality, this episode is for you. In this episode of the Design Systems Podcast, Chris Strahl talks with Noelle Lansford, founder of Shep , about why chasing the “perfect system” often breaks more than it fixes. Drawing on her experience across startups and Fortune 5 companies, Noelle argues that…
DSP 136. Are Design Systems Still for People? A Conversation with Elyse Holladay
Send us feedback or episode suggestions. In this episode, Chris Strahl talks with Elyse Holladay—staff design engineer at Color Health and host of On Theme —about the evolution of design systems and how AI is reshaping the way we think about abstraction, collaboration, and contribution. They explore what it means to maintain relevance in a landscape where LLMs increasingly influence product…
DSP 135. The Infrastructure Behind Digital Production: A Conversation with Steve Dodier-Lazaro
Send us feedback or episode suggestions. Design systems aren’t just a UI toolkit—they’re the backbone of digital product creation and management. In this episode, engineer and researcher Steve Dodier-Lazaro joins Chris Strahl to unpack why treating design systems like standalone products is holding teams back. They explore what it really takes to scale product design and development in enterprise…
DSP 134 Modernizing a Legend: Catherine Dubut Builds the Future at Ford Pro
Send us feedback or episode suggestions. What does it take to transform 121 years of automotive legacy into a modern digital ecosystem? Catherine Dubut, Director of Global UX Strategy at Ford Pro, joins Chris Strahl to share how her team is reengineering the organization’s fragmented product landscape into a scalable, unified digital assembly line. With over 80 legacy sites, 20+ global markets,…