>retroactive invalidation
The sheer pettiness of this administration is impressive, taking time out of its busy schedule to crap on half a percent of the population. x.com/zenalbatross/sโฆ
@brianschatz is correct though regardless. This is exactly what I've been thinking about the whole 'Trade War' business. The Chinese are more dedicated foes here than us, the people that we would need to be miraculously patient don't even understand the mechanics of their pain. x.com/cspan/status/1โฆ
Yes lol. x.com/real_farmacistโฆ
Good thread. x.com/doctorow/statuโฆ
>175 million
๐ง๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ x.com/greenpeaceusa/โฆ
@krassenstein I hope we could all do a little more than write stuff on Twitter.
Doctor Who has always been a So-Bad-It's-Good sort of affair. t.co/R3b4mvUx4Q
Chilling thread. x.com/JeffSharlet/stโฆ
Reminder, kids: Politicians feel safe doing this because you don't vote. x.com/benserrurier/sโฆ
No *that*, is a perfect description of like half of 'interesting' discourse right now. Stealing. x.com/vgr/status/102โฆ
And if there is, can someone link me to it?
#MEMES x.com/eigenrobot/staโฆ
For the rest of my career I'm going to be sitting in every meeting, product design discussion, whatever and having the "what if we were a team of black hat malware authors?" imagine spot. Thanks. :P x.com/dacoursey/statโฆ
@dacoursey I mean, that's probably a good idea from a PR/Ethics perspective, especially if some of the misuse-cases are easily preventable.
@Softykjr There's a general problem some people seem to have, where they treat Twitter as their password protected blog or virtual living room. It's not, every tweet should be written as though you potentially have a global audience.
@Softykjr People act like this is new, but people were saying stupid shit on MySpace when I was younger with their real name, and it got a lot of them into as much trouble as Twitter can get you into now. Bewildered me then and bewilders me now.
This news story is a good example: seattlepi.com/local/article/โฆ x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
The "European Socialism means you work for half your paycheck" meme only works so long as people can look at their bank statement without realizing they pay more than that to mysterious price increases.
slatestarcodex.com/2017/02/09/conโฆ
#economics #socialism #costdisease
@chc40 @eigenrobot That is another attitude you can take. :)
I think the people who are in the most danger are the ones in between, where it's not always clear whether they're joking or not.
@pasiphae_goals Seems odd given that the traditional wisdom from Euclid is that division by infinity is zero and division by zero is infinity.
I was tempted once to write a short story about a suicide market, where people incentivize someone to kill themselves in addition to public shame by putting up a large financial reward for them to do so in the vein of a 'traditional' assassination market. x.com/sonyasupposedlโฆ
People really believe this. x.com/NPR/status/102โฆ
This is one of the best 'novelty' small business ideas I've ever seen. x.com/msitver/statusโฆ
Oh hey look, someone actually implemented my idea of making challenge coins about crazy politics/environment stuff. x.com/maddogpac/statโฆ
You know, if I knew that I could convince people to let me direct voting reform with 2 million in the bank; and give me such free reign I'm allowed to screw up as much as these folks seem about to, I'd have been trying to get VC's to bankroll me years ago. :P x.com/Noahpinion/staโฆ
@vgr Overtheorized: Financial inequality, monetary class, class conflict
Undertheorized: Bloodline/Familial impact on wealth, genetics, eco-justice
@vgr I like to think of wealth in the United States as coming in layers, of which there are several but only the first few are socially acceptable to discuss in public. The outright taboo on discussion of the deeper layers seems to serve the powerful more than the powerless.
I feel ashamed that I didn't know about this until now. x.com/albrgr/status/โฆ
I notice I'm getting punked by fake news more and more frequently, this is beginning to become disconcerting. It's getting harder and harder to tell what is and isn't real.
@Noahpinion I mean, it's a lot to take in. https://t.co/50W8WcxsnO
This is next level culture wars. x.com/hamandcheese/sโฆ
@SwiftOnSecurity Excuse you we all know computers run on magical thinking, I saw it in a movie one time. https://t.co/stWyJur7YJ
You forgot the most important point, which is that you can be on multiple services at once. It's not like to join Mastodon/GnuSocial/etc you have to leave Twitter. x.com/GreatDismal/stโฆ
In fact ideally these would all interoperate so that you can be on all of them at once nearly seamlessly.
@JasonServiss @sci_tchr_tweets @JessicaHellmann I feel obligated to add 'yet'. There's no point in waiting for a hero, one isn't coming.
"Decay is inherent in all compound things. Work out your own salvation with diligence." - Last words of the Buddha
@SwiftOnSecurity My take is that this is what it looks like when society is declining below the standard that created our infrastructure. As our ability to field an advanced technological civilization bleeds out, the sea levels are rising and the air is getting hotter.
wiki.quanticle.net/Main/Institutiโฆ
@eigenrobot "Has something to do with math and game theory and computers at the same time, also probably a scam."
@juliagalef It's an effective tactic, which is why people do it. I think the trendstarter here was 'homophobia', whatever PR genius came up with that one should probably go down as one of the best marketing wizards of all time.
@vegardbeyer @juliagalef It does.
@kimballscott @vgr It's difficult to dissect feelings sometimes, but whatever @vgr is feeling I'm feeling too.
@jmrphy There's multiple things at work here. One is that there are several different overton windows among intellectual tribes. The Neoreaction people took advantage of this to exploit the Libertarians. Another is that no-fear taboo statements signal machismo.
@jmrphy By using social shame as their only weapon, the new left is breeding shameless strains of opposition that are particularly immune.
This is where I worry (and suspect) we are. x.com/ctrlcreep/statโฆ
Reading about this is like staring at the portable shield generator from Asimov's Foundation series:
bunniestudios.com/blog/?page_id=โฆ https://t.co/6AHQMkioDR
@robertnlee @eigenrobot My inner Linux nerd begs to disagree.
@vgr Perhaps she produces more Borg off-screen? It's not like a species is limited to only one mode of reproduction.
I particularly like that he *explains how the breach could be used to harm you*. x.com/troyhunt/statuโฆ
@vickypressman https://t.co/8rpmyi9Fl4
@juliagalef @gwern @octal dailykos.com/stories/2018/5โฆ
Terraform Antarctica, not mars. x.com/vgr/status/102โฆ
@ArcOnInternet @textfiles Yeah, but that doesn't make it any easier to stay enthusiastic.
This reminds me of the time in high school when I noticed that the phone numbers for the rooms were sequentially numbered and started calling offices that were out of bounds. x.com/lucky225/statuโฆ
@gaileyfrey I wrote a web app that reorganized my college's class finder so I could actually locate classes to sign up for, instead of the dorky organization I was forced to use by their official system.
How๐To๐Never๐Get๐Business๐Again๐ x.com/lucky225/statuโฆ
@vgr I remember being de-facto TA for the computer classes in high school. There was this girl who left the room to have a freakout because of furries on DeviantArt. We ended up having a talk about how the future is only going to get weirder and she'd have to tough it out.
@SarahSmith2018 @votesaturn I still maintain that the actual politics here are green jobs going to coastal Americans, so the flyover denizens see 'Green Energy' as a massive power grab from people who are already hurting.
@GameStoreDoc ๐
Tell us more?
@Everclear1102 @GameStoreDoc Could also go the Jason Scott route and start releasing raw footage to @internetarchive
@epicpewpew @hackerfantastic The original MIT hackers were college students. "I started at 9 years old" is kind of overrated.
Imagine if humanity spent as much time expressing affection and helping each other as it did watching carefully crafted illusions of the same. x.com/strnglft/statuโฆ
@vgr It looks apocalyptic outside. Took a multi-hour walk to help me focus on writing a story, it was frankly perfect atmosphere for dreaming up science fiction.
@strat @DethVeggie @7rl @WeldPond I'd been planning to get the 8BBS logs transcribed and put back up on the Internet for a while now, hadn't found the time to do it in between college classes though.
@strat @DethVeggie @7rl @WeldPond A little more info for anyone interested (and link to the logs): jdpressman.com/2017/09/25/8bbโฆ
@EricRWeinstein I've been saying for a while that there's a phenomena where as the right wing political spectrum becomes more taboo it's compressed and easier for folks inside to cross vast ideological distances. Left wing has the opposite problem and can't cooperate across a breakfast table.
@s_r_constantin @threadreaderapp unroll
@s_r_constantin 1. Do you believe these three quoted beliefs are in fact true?
2. If not, do you think it's always evil to attempt to convince people of this fact?
@verdesensacion @Jilchrest Stupidity and evil are the only two forces powerful enough to compete in the marketplace of ideas.
@s_r_constantin This seems like a strange definition of benevolence. The universe merely being *stable*, if not particularly invested in my success wouldn't qualify in my book.
@s_r_constantin Especially since the stability doesn't actually exclude outcomes like "a meteor hits the earth and kills everybody" or "runaway greenhouse gas emissions literally destroy the biosphere". The traumatic shearing away of one illusion forces trust of deeper principles e.g statistics.
Desire is life and enlightenment is death.
A dead man walks unburdened among the living.
A functioning hand can grip, and release.
One must die and rise from their own grave to be liberated. https://t.co/shrV0OIUeP
@quanticle @gwern What month would you like to do this in? I might meet your challenge.
@paulg @rivatez Most influential in terms of shifting my life trajectory was probably HPMOR. hpmor.com
Trump banning TikTok is a psyop to ban crypto apps using the least sympathetic defendant to set precedent.
Part of why 'woke' is attractive is that it gives people a script to publicly perform atheism/deism/humanism/et al.
The right is mad that leftists found a way to publicly perform virtue too. x.com/nosilverv/statโฆ
Atheism in the Dawkins/Sagan/Hawking style is silent, there is a sense in which you're missing out if your opponents get to perform their beliefs in public and you don't.
Woke is one possible implementation of public humanism, but by no means the only one.
I'm worried about how much of this 'postrat considers organized religion' trend is just people realizing their current identity doesn't get expressed bodily, socially, ritually, etc.
And instead of figuring out how to do that they abandon their current beliefs for ones that do.
Childhood is having the privilege to get lost in something fascinating and wonderful for months. Without having to worry about how much time it's taking up, or ripping yourself away from it before you've experienced all the novelty it has to offer.
I miss it.
Helldump go brrrr t.co/743gQlrVYK
Be slightly evil. x.com/ByrneHobart/stโฆ
Before all this is over, some conniving bastard will convince people that water is bad for you.
"If it's so good for you, why does it taste so bad?"
๐water ๐is๐a๐chemical๐
@WeftOfSoul @drethelin Washington State
@Meaningness @xsplat @kareem_carr The motte is "Mathematics is dependent on axioms that in principle can be changed or repurposed, it's not like the string '2 + 2 = 4' intrinsically means that".
The bailey is "there is no truth only power uwu".
@Meaningness @xsplat @kareem_carr I suspect that the 'postmodern' epistemology arises out of too much time spent dealing with questions like "Are Jewish people white?" where "there is no truth only power" is exactly the case, because the question isn't about inference on physical properties of the world.
@Meaningness @xsplat @kareem_carr Sure, and naive Kegan 5 relativism avoids major investment in systems out of loss aversion. When EY tells you that Bayes is true on pain of paradox he means that your choices are between greater and lesser absurdity. Not all paradox is equal and some systems have outsized power.
@Meaningness @xsplat @kareem_carr Or rather it is, but it's about mapping maps which change in response to you mapping them and that gets anti-inductive very quickly.
slatestarcodex.com/2015/01/11/theโฆ
@nosilverv @BellaRudd1 The standard consensus afaik is that Socrates suicided by cop to prove a point about Athenian democracy.
@nosilverv @BellaRudd1 I mean, when the jury found him guilty and it came time for sentencing...
In Athens, each side picks a punishment and the jury decides between them.
The prosecution submitted Socrates be put to death, and Socrates proposed he be given free dinner for life -- a hero's reward.
@BellaRudd1 @nosilverv Well what I'm saying here is that Socrates became an hero either way. ;)
I'm obviously not in a position to tell the creators what their film is or isn't, but I think this straightforward mapping is harmful to the general dysphoric energy that helps make the film work. A thread. 1/N x.com/NetflixTudum/sโฆ
"The Matrix is trans" is a reductive take. It's a postmodern film for laypeople, and it's good. A core theme of *any* postmodern work is a sort of fundamental malaise with reality, which can often manifest as dysmorphia. Neo is relatable because his experience is general.
This naturally leads to dysphoria, the 'splinter in your mind' as Morpheus puts it. That can be bodily, but it can also be social or existential. The acute stress and anxiety you feel when you look around at the world isn't pathology, it's your values screaming.
Dysphoria is at its core a discomfort with experience, moment to moment. That fundamental feeling of wrongness is amplified by the disconnect between access to a digital world where you can be anybody contrasted against a physical reality where you're nobody.
Neo is metaphorically transgender, but he's a lot of other stuff too. A literal approach chokes that ambiguity, makes it less interesting. Sets in The Matrix focus on liminal spaces: subway stations, hotel rooms, sidewalks, lobbies. Neo doesn't really belong wherever he goes.
So, with all that in mind I guess I get annoyed when people say "the matrix is a trans movie" like that's The Point, like that is all there is to take away from it. Yes it's a trans movie, but it's also about a more general modern experience that trans participates in.
I'm skeptical about a 'meaning crisis'. I think there's a learned helplessness crisis. Religion is usually about control of things that are spatially and temporally far away from us, and we no longer feel we have any control over forces like the state or climate.
@Aella_Girl At some point everyone has to make a choice: between the forces of evil, and the forces evil.
Wait no I mean
If we're not responsible for saving the world, who is? t.co/rs5lNewaqR
Trauma reactions are often rational responses to irrational scenarios.
@vgr Dude is it just me or has everyone gone crazy? Not because they're screaming and stuff, no no, *because they're not screaming*.
@Meaningness Isn't the entire problem the idea that beliefs are sentences rather than models? (And isn't this what Wittgenstein was trying to point out with his 'picture theory'?)
@Aella_Girl The ragebots just look for reasons to be angry, your brand is fine.
What people resent the most is the gap between their practical understanding and what they can logically verbalize.
Few things sting more than being told you have to believe something you know to be incorrect, even if you can't entirely say why. x.com/PrinceVogel/stโฆ
TV network execs are dope peddlers and our societal support of their greed, excess and psycho-social-grift is one of the basic reasons we're unlikely to see the year 2100.
Chapman style postrat is trauma about systems. Bit once, forever shy so you underinvest in systems thinking. Untraumatized Kegan 5 (MMA perspective) acknowledges the inequality of systems, centering itself on a powerful mode of thinking even if it knows that mode is imperfect. x.com/fistlosopher/sโฆ
A key question in my research agenda is if it's possible for the forces of good to attain this quality. t.co/GDiURis3k8
My preliminary investigations point towards "yes". I don't see any reason why rationality/et al can't use a Christianity-esque decentralized evangelism strategy:
liberaugmen.com/#evangelism
One of the many lessons of 2020 is that when the final hour is near people won't git gud and step up, they'll crumple and sink deeper into denial and hedonism.
This implies the main barrier is a mental model of effective action, not incentives or the fear of death.
@nmgrm An important developmental moment was reading Taylor Gatto in early high school, and doing my best to try and get away from school determining what I was allowed to have time to know.
@TheClarksTale @eigenrobot IMO you should be able to condense the buried lede down to a tweet before you insist something is the most important story of the last 4 years.
You're competing with lots of stuff for that title.
@leaacta I'm more or less already there, in terms of expectations.
Finishing up projects, be less risk averse, tell people how much I appreciated my time with them, etc. Letting go is a social, physical process, the big barrier isn't expecting to die but other people expecting I'll live.
When I was in the 1st grade the teacher (literally) wrung my neck because I prioritized helping a kid with a leg brace grab his pencil box over sitting down when ordered to. x.com/deplurabel/staโฆ
@ChangKelong People have trouble with the idea that they don't get to choose whether they're the hero or the villain. Other people decide that, haters and lovers both provide attention.
The important thing is to give a good performance even when you're the heel.
Trump gets this.
(Boooo!)
Amazing they won't #LetYangSpeakDNC considering he was the least depressing part of the 2020 presidential election.
@selentelechia @AskYatharth @eigenrobot @acidshill Those that can't poke fun, those that can restore that which was destroyed with better typography:
slatestarcodexabridged.com/And-I-Show-Youโฆ
What if 'radical leftist' just means 'person who supports the Democrats with a coherent policy platform based on tangible values rather than eclectic special interest lobby mystery meat'? x.com/thesravaka/staโฆ
@thesravaka I wonder if there's any research on whether voters are primarily voting for specific policy proposals or overall strategies.
The people screaming are the ones untraumatized enough to still want to live.
See, I can tell this one wants to live. x.com/sonyasupposedlโฆ
I consider myself an optimist in the sense that I think our total annihilation and doom isn't 100% certain.
@GlitchesBrew I frankly feel lucky it isn't something like MERS, with its 35% CFR.
@GlitchesBrew "The usual way to avoid being taken by surprise by something is to be consciously aware of it. Back when life was more precarious, people used to be aware of death to a degree that would now seem a bit morbid."
- Paul Graham
Never should have stopped IMO.
Time and money are the units of caring, you can tell roughly how much someone cares about something by how much of those two things are going towards it.
Hint: Most people don't care about most things they talk about.
The idea that you have no impact on anything is absurd when anyone is allowed to participate in the fetid meme sewer we've foolishly plugged our societies managing firmware into. x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
Just finished an anthology of some of the best SlateStarCodex posts:
slatestarcodexabridged.com
@VulpesOkamis @PomoPsiOp https://t.co/rzQ49xXtTP
I was just saying that the natural evolution for the Culture Wars is professional wrestling - heroes, heels, and performative fights & stunts that maximize audience engagement. t.co/rhY0gKIr9S
This is part of why Trump does so well, he is a culture wars heel and he is great at playing the villain.
@vgr @kneelingbus Be careful, some people thrive on being trash talked. :)
There is now an EPUB edition of SlateStarCodex Abridged available:
slatestarcodexabridged.com/attach/SlateStโฆ x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ https://t.co/cv5RFKu36R
@4xi0m @selentelechia The main website already has printable PDF chapters.
The noise level is definitely off the charts, being heard over the sound and fury is pretty much impossible atm. x.com/thegrugq/statuโฆ
I'll go you one further: This should just be how the lawmaking system works, not an add-on. Laws should be passed with the expectation they will do X, Y, Z (and not A, B, C). If the expectations turn out to be delusional, chuck it. x.com/justinkan/statโฆ
@PrinceVogel @EpistemicHope I mean, I don't think anyone sane presents Aristotle as a serious authority on epistemology in 20XX.
It was more the part where EY criticizes Aristotle without actually reading Aristotle, which is beyond disrespectful to one of the founders of Western Philosophy.
@CarlZha As far as I know our nuclear warfare capabilities aren't set up to send "a couple missiles". There's basically one set of orders you give that launches everything at pre-chosen targets.
Source: Command and Control by Schlosser
@CoughsOnWombats @PrinceVogel @EpistemicHope I actually don't and can't find it, but I remember it being a point of controversy some years ago.
@prafmathur @vimota Part of the reason for this is fundamental (and pretty constrained) bandwidth limitations in human computer interaction.
The book *Silicon Dreams: Man, Information, Machine* by Lucky explains using information theory. Written 1989 but about people so it's not out of date.
@micsolana Obligatory SSC: slatestarcodexabridged.com/Against-Tulip-โฆ
The death of mythological and legendary figures in your culture is a sign that you've given up on even the hope of becoming a divine being.
The pattern "This great new technology lets us do X, Y, Z; BUT should we?" isn't what a sober discussion of risk/reward looks like. It's a trauma response to past breathless enthusiasm giving way to harsh realities about incentives and second order effects.
@selentelechia outsidertheory.com/control-societโฆ
The truth is that I don't think human instincts are equipped for what's coming. Your ancestors didn't evolve to deal with takeoff runaway hivemind superintellects.
slatestarcodexabridged.com/Meditations-Onโฆ
@ntaverna Any thriving subculture will eventually develop an outsider faction that compensates for its lack of status by carefully inverting the sacred values while maintaining the flesh of the original. This voodoo zombie can become more popular than what it initially orbits.
Nothing is more frustrating than begging someone to do what is obviously in their best interest.
538 Forecast: Biden has a 71% chance to win, @NateSilver538 has a 94% chance of being a furry.
projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-โฆ
@byt3bl33d3r @hackerfantastic Have they never read one of those exploit writeups where you chain 20 bugs together to get a 'sploit?
The wisdom of BSD is focusing on program correctness.
Writing tip: If you're writing nonfiction and find you have 'writers block' or can't express something; this is often a sign that you're bottlenecked on information. Going and reading more about your subject or the place you're confused can do wonders.
The concept of marriage helps clarify the ideal in a relationship, encourages filtering for the potential to reach it.
Imagine a boot stamping on a human face forever as it solemnly reassures the victim, "It's okay, I'm human too."
New Post: Four Sacrifices and The Phenomenology Of Undeath
wrestlinggnon.com/extropy/2020/0โฆ
This is good but how do you compensate people for holding onto their money for the long period of time that would be necessary for something like "I won't publish in Elsevier".
Perhaps the money could go into a mutual fund or charity scheme? (Defect and it's donated to evil?) t.co/Jwxf3jph8O
@Alain_Mower That's the original Will Smith movie ending (I think?), except he doesn't kill himself. In the book he's captured by vampires (the 'zombies' are vampires) and then ripped to shreds by an angry mob of night creatures.
@Alain_Mower @DDagrate My problem with the original phrasing is it makes it sound like he kills himself out of guilt, rather than because he is in a situation where the alternative is a more painful death at other people's hands.
@DDagrate @Alain_Mower Yeah I picked up my copy to check, didn't catch they're suicide pills on my first reading. Thought they were painkillers and he gets tossed to the mob like an unfeeling ragdoll.
In any case, Neville dies at the end after realizing he's the monster.
Brain Noise: "In the future there will be no restaurants and no friends."
When I was 8 or so, I investigated why girls like tea parties by taking some stuffed animals, my sisters abandoned tea set and pouring water for Mr. Bear and Ms. Bratz. Imagine this young boy studiously cargo culting an unnatural female behavior.
This thread is worse than that. x.com/kaschuta/statuโฆ
@robinhanson You don't want to know.
@robinhanson https://t.co/znthRhQnxX
Surprisingly good thread for what sounds like a crack intro tweet. x.com/crimkadid/statโฆ
One of the crueler gotchas of modernity is using systems as tools of abuse, leading good people to a local maxima of rejecting systems as self protection which permanently disadvantages them against systematic evil.
I think this is actually most Twitter users not thinking about how popularity works. The minute you start asking "So how did 10k people find and follow that persons account?" you're already in the mode of thinking that prevents you from expecting content Just Appears unfiltered. x.com/nwilliams030/sโฆ
People over the age of 25 don't mind having mediocre follower counts, so they don't experiment with content strategies, let alone trying to understand and play the algorithm.
Prediction (without looking it up/checking): What makes TikTok et al. special is that a high proportion of users on the platform also make content. The more users are on the creator side of content, the more understanding they have that deep effort goes into being popular.
Nobody gets bravery points for defending normality.
"Offutt hurled it across the room and announced to his wife that he could do better. She asked โwhy donโt you?โ
...
Offuttโs wife, Jodie, was an enthusiastic supporter of his work. She assisted him in many ways, notably by typing out his final drafts."
medium.com/the-mission/leโฆ x.com/Aella_Girl/staโฆ
@0x49fa98 @Aella_Girl @primalpoly It is immensely clarifying to know that Max More's Extropy, of which LessWrong is a descendant, was explicitly started with the goal of creating a "substitute" for religion:
raw.githubusercontent.com/Extropians/Extโฆ
(As though any 'substitute' weren't itself a religion)
@0x49fa98 @Aella_Girl @primalpoly Never.
@0x49fa98 @Aella_Girl @primalpoly This is particularly galling because he was a high profile participant on the Extropians mailing list as I'm to understand it.
@nosilverv I usually provide citations not to prove my claims, but just as a courtesy for readers who would like to know more about the subjects I'm talking about.
The credibility boost is almost tangential tbh.
@nosilverv This is a common misconception: That citations are about proving your claims. That's clearly not the case. Citations are about providing a genealogy of knowledge, which makes the academic universe much cheaper to navigate than the ad-hoc mess of non-academic sources.
@drethelin What if sometimes there are situations where it's valid to feel bad for everyone involved?
Maslow Hierarchy Updated For 2020: https://t.co/ZkisgfSlvG
@MrBalantine @EricRWeinstein And then lies and says they have been reviewed.
Until you fully accept that you're made of meat you are fundamentally confused about the human condition.
@robinhanson If you can identify the stupidity early, I wonder if it's possible to prevent it?
Something like the same way we prevent people from publicly supporting eugenics: slatestarcodexabridged.com/Social-Censorsโฆ
Trump also ties up his opponents resources by making moves that cost him little but his opponents have to spend lots of resources to counter.
Trump needs 5 minutes to sign an order banning trans people in the military, his opponents spend thousands of man hours fighting it. x.com/SpencrGreenberโฆ
His flexibility in getting to choose when and where he wants to fight is what makes him dangerous. His probable weakness is his thin officer corps, he only has so much organizational bandwidth. Mueller freaked him out because it was an engagement he couldn't walk away from.
Hate is the wrong way to model Trump's actions, 'hate' would imply he has stakes invested here. The driving forces behind Trump's malice are often indifference and something to gain. Trump is a minmaxing UFAI from mars, and plays accordingly. People are game tokens to him.
@jack
Just saw this, excellent feature. https://t.co/oeKJBZSCaC
Postrat (n.)
1. Someone who read The Sequences and didn't understand them.
2. One who worships the god of the gaps. https://t.co/LeUb1Zad6v
@SamoBurja @0nn04 Don't think so, personally. LW is in a weird place where it is nominally affiliated with a bunch of generative thinkers but none of them would really identify with it these days, not even Scott Alexander probably.
@mr_scientism Anti-capitalist thinkers presumably maintain this blindspot on purpose, acknowledging it would force them to grapple with having reinvented Fascism:
worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Readโฆ
@Aella_Girl I think a lot of people experience modernity as a kind of unhinged exhibitionism of monstrosity and ugliness. A lot of these people do in fact want to stuff things back in the closet on the principle that if they can't see the suffering it's not real.
@Aella_Girl Neoliberalism rewards the people who are extreme. It's a high variance contest dominated by the combination of extreme beauty and extreme ugliness.
blakemasters.com/post/245786838โฆ
Modern capital is a freakshow. Mopers imagine 1955 wasn't, but back then they'd likely have it worse. https://t.co/QPrCrpyK5X
@yashkaf https://t.co/0EZKhkDP4s
It's early but, going to go ahead and deem this take of the night unless someone comes up with something extraordinary. x.com/vgr/status/132โฆ
@MacaesBruno No matter who wins, we all lose. The closeness means anyone who ekes a win out of this is going to be considered a thief by the other side.
This but for everything is increasingly how I expect things to go. Whatever carefully coordinated good outcomes are necessary for things not to be a mess, that stuff *will not* happen and we will get the mess.
"Doesn't that mean we're all going to die?"
Naively, yes. x.com/sonyasupposedlโฆ
@PresentWitness_ @nosilverv https://t.co/nfvPffiTvU
@QiaochuYuan @goblinodds No it makes you a meme lord. Here, have a copy of my upcoming rationality book: https://t.co/CIECcL6U9g
Maybe the Libertarian party should rebrand to have members fill out their ballots to maximize the probability of gridlock. x.com/Reuters/statusโฆ
@nosilverv Isn't the canonical answer to the fat man version that pushing fat guys off bridges has costs external to the scenario that are greater than the local benefits? Who actually says 'yes' on the fat guy problem?
@nosilverv Spoiler: That feeling of wrongness is your brain trying to tell you something. It has information in it that will let you be LessWrong if you pay attention to what's inside.
@nosilverv @AlecStapp People who grew up with an epistemology have no idea how lower class people think. It is literally beyond their comprehension to conceive of thinking that broken. The truth is outside their search space.
Source: Grew up without an epistemology.
@nosilverv This is a General Problem that's shocking in others once you stop doing it. We train people that depression is meaningless, It Just Happens. Ditto burnout, et al. Feelings are often *about stuff*, most brains are not so broken that 'on the fritz' is a sane default hypothesis.
@nosilverv @AlecStapp A pattern to look for: Lower class people will talk about the official narrative being fake/etc, but they're not actually *reacting* to the 'official narrative'. That would require them to know what it is. A conspiracy theorist is an interested citizen with bad epistemics.
@nosilverv @AlecStapp When you know how the system is supposed to work you do all your political thinking with that as a backdrop. But the lower class does not understand civics and they do not think in consistent models or systems. They think in e.g. stories that are allowed to contradict each other.
@nosilverv @AlecStapp And conspiracy theories are just lower effort than real info. You think CTs want someone in control? Nonsense. They want information on a budget, and like any ruthless product targeting poor people CT is salient and hits information-density heuristics now divorced from reality.
@nosilverv e.g. I got better at dealing with 'burnout' once I realized that 'burnout' usually means "You are sinking lots of effort into tasks that are misaligned with your values, pulling the plug until you reorient."
Almost always the case, didn't know until I stopped and reevaluated.
@nosilverv Often when you have a feeling like that, you have No Idea what is wrong. But that weird tingle, sense of reluctance, etc, is your clue to stop and check if you're missing something. Go in with the hypothesis that there is a cause. Finding and intervening usually makes it better.
@nosilverv @AlecStapp Conspiracy theories are insight porn, full stop:
youtube.com/watch?v=sUIcCyโฆ
They *feel* like compressed info explaining lots of things, but they're not. If your epistemology is nonexistent though, this is way more captivating than the sparse chaos that is real geopolitical info.
@nosilverv tl;dr: Instead of asking "How do I stop feeling this way?" ask "*Why* do I feel this way?", and then really pay attention to yourself, your surroundings, what you're doing, your life trajectory, etc to look for the answer. The How will then generally make itself obvious.
@cbystarlight @nosilverv @AlecStapp Seems plausible. When I was younger I got deep into the rabbit hole, hung out on forums where CT were a regular topic of conversation.
There is a meaningful difference between the way e.g. the uber-nerd and the disenfranchised young man would engage, nerd more skeptical/musing.
@cbystarlight @nosilverv @AlecStapp Think it's also underappreciated the extent to which 'QAnon'/et al isn't new. The events I'm talking about were in 2007-ish, I got to see these guys start the Tea Party. Not fringe, also not differentiated. This kind of thing freely mixes into the right wing gossip mill.
@cbystarlight @nosilverv @AlecStapp CT is insight porn. IMO the big differentiator is taste. CT is like the cheap booze of political theory, some people are allergic for status reasons while others are wealthy and don't mind being seen with that $10 wine bottle. CT died for me after I learned to track predictions.
Biden only gets halfway closer to winning the race with each step he takes so the election can never end.
@pee_zombie Am not grillpilled, but do think anyone serious at this stage needs to accept society has failed and start prepping for a dark age/collapse.
@pee_zombie Most of what we're seeing at this point is a high-cortisol distraction from anything like real work, the ideal is to exit from it; nothing good can come from this kind of poison.
Albert Bouchard came out with ReImaginos today, an acoustic redo of Sandy Pearlman's Imaginos concept album that was botched in the 80's:
youtube.com/watch?v=dzQ7HJโฆ
Pseudiom has a good documentary on the album's history:
youtube.com/watch?v=WprUq_โฆ
Pearlman was an interesting dude.
It feels less bad if you stop thinking of "consumption charity" (e.g. donating to local schools) as genuine altruism and more as local collective action. The market for genuine altruistic acts is a lot smaller. x.com/Goodtweet_man/โฆ
@JoeBiden @GreatDismal Don't be ridiculous, you won by a hair thin margin. If you don't want the Democrats to lose (bigly, even) in the 2022 midterms you will be sensitive to the fact that half the country wanted the orange tyrant over you.
@michaelcurzi Korzybski said the same, one of his big things is the idea that 'unsanity' can be cured through better thinking habits.
Unfortunately schizophrenia can't be, and this led people to dismiss the idea as crankish. Back then the causes of schizophrenia weren't understood.
@michaelcurzi Bruce Kodish has a good biography of Korzybski out. You'd probably like it. There's an abridged web version, and then an exhaustingly-long but well researched paperback.
@MacaesBruno @CBS Feel like you underestimate the impact of psycho-social-cybernetic warfare. It's an old tactic to force the enemy to be on alert for extended periods to wear them out and down. Knowing the attack is not coming is a real win.
@MacaesBruno @CBS I think you're still correct that a great deal of this is imaginary, but don't discount the parts that are real. You need some reality in the scenario in order to exaggerate it.
I think it's easy to run the take "this is all imaginary" on cyberwar because it's so abstract. When you're N steps removed from the physical underpinnings of the conflict, it's much easier to distort things and point to the distortion as evidence that the threat isn't real. x.com/MacaesBruno/stโฆ
@micsolana @drethelin scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&โฆ
Don't think anyone has done the study.
Can we please make the president less powerful? x.com/JohnHolbein1/sโฆ
@akarlin88 @UnzReview So where are you heading after they kick UnzReview off?
@the_aiju Legend says the philosopher Zeno, famed for his belief in determinism, beat a slave for stealing.
The slave insisted that the beating was unjust because fate had ordained he would steal.
Zeno replied that fate had ordained Zeno thrash him for it.
You could be either of them.
@vgr @sarahdoingthing Probably for the better. One of my friends claims to have stopped reading anything you write after he outlined one of your books point by point and realized everything in it was wrong.
That style of writing isn't conducive to saying true things IMO.
@vgr Pretty sure we just identify as zoomers, if we buy into that whole thing.
@michaelcurzi @kilovh @0x49fa98 Any other B people in the audience?
@michaelcurzi @kilovh @0x49fa98 Finding people in the B camp who haven't had their moral intuitions irreparably broken by it (e.g. negative utilitarianism) is difficult, hence my interest.
@yashkaf [USER WAS CANCELLED FOR THIS POST]
@pee_zombie I refused to leave the rationalists until I understood the things that made it special so well that they wouldn't be eroded if I went places where they weren't the default assumptions.
By the time I boiled it all down I noticed there wasn't a community left to leave.
@Richard_Vixen @zackmdavis "A Historical Friend is someone you became friends with in the first place because you met when you were little and stayed friends through the years, even though youโre a very weird match. "
waitbutwhy.com/2014/12/10-typโฆ
A lot of Twitter is just neo-street-preaching.
@SeanMombo Sometimes I think back to that and realize I will never get to spend my time on something so trivial without worry again.
Twitter is a successful contract between authors and readers about what to expect from their writing.
@goblinodds It's more like a challenge response system, you 'bid' on a certain amount of status and other people decide if they're gonna let you have it or not.
@goblinodds Don't bid, you don't get.
A referendum on suicide invalidates the system that proposed it.
@vgr Before a tsunami hits, the tide recedes.
@the_aiju I can't tell if the misuse of 'countersignaling' was deliberate or not, which honestly makes the tweet even better.
@MacaesBruno Accidentally repeated a sentence: "What was meant as a kind of virtual nationalism might acquire a more literal character if Trump was allowed to consolidate his power during a second term."
@EricRWeinstein The play is a tragedy and its protagonist is Man. Derailing the plot is the only way any of us survive the 21st century.
We live in a "might makes right" universe, your sense of good was defined by adaption to that principle. There is a very real sense in which good is supposed to be mighty. x.com/sonyasupposedlโฆ
Very few people apply "might makes right" the whole way through, failing to save the phenomena.
arbital.greaterwrong.com/p/rescue_utiliโฆ
If you find yourself despairing that truth, love, and justice are kicking your ass because they're defying telos you've gone astray somewhere.
@SeanMombo Reminder that the alternative is to hope things never get better than this.
Strong dystopian energy in this thread. x.com/alexisohanian/โฆ
Postmodernity's problems are mostly about people disrupting positive and zero sum equilibriums they have a poor position in for a temporary advantage in a new negative sum game that ultimately hurts everyone.
250bpm.com/blog:113/ x.com/robkhenderson/โฆ
@robinhanson @MorlockP Here, someone whose only contribution to discourse is diffuse malaise.
@shadowcat_mst Yeah when I say "postmodernity", I just mean that as the time period we're living in. (Since, I think that's a reasonable characterization of the era that gives us Donald Trump/et al)
YMMV, but the emotional peak of 2020 for me was the end of March through May. The world stopped and things became quiet, few cars and no planes, genuine stillness in the air while I did my research. Noticed I never wanted the noise back.
The Mood: youtube.com/watch?v=6fpV2fโฆ x.com/jmrphy/status/โฆ
@ESYudkowsky choosing the name 'rationality' for his philosophy was a wide invitation for this kind of weak criticism. I wonder if like Alfred Korzybski and General Semantics, he's updated and desperately wishes he'd called it anything else.
Doubt it. x.com/nosilverv/statโฆ
@psukhopompos @dchem @nosilverv Not really. This is mostly caricature.
I really need to start a gallery of these inkblot tweets you can read as being about multiple very different things. t.co/lTD71f6HIf
@dchem @psukhopompos @nosilverv They asked "Is the joke real?" and I replied "No."
@gigafelon @mattparlmer Yes, I use one (TinyTinyRSS).
@selentelechia "They go low and we go high" means if the virus's death rate gets 10x lower you have to care 10x as much.
Crazy to think that Bob Truax knew raw materials were 2% of the cost of a rocket in the 1970's and therefore rocket size barely impacts costs but it took Elon Musk in the 2000's to execute on this.
My wallet and/or salivary glands have to suffer knowing you can buy weird marginal candies on the Internet (e.g. Amazon).
Now you have to suffer too.
@vgr Most people in one of these settings wouldn't be aware of the protagonist.
@eigenrobot youtube.com/watch?v=Gm85Odโฆ
@vgr What I was trying to imply is that most people in one of these settings don't have that either. ;)
Authorial perspective gives us the privilege of a clear logic to the setting, but the people inside the setting don't have access to that logic or it wouldn't work.
If we're going to cancel the debt I think we need to cancel some colleges as well. x.com/DamonLinker/stโฆ
@captain_mrs Give a brief sketch?
@captain_mrs My personal hypothesis is in fact that "Kegan 5" is actually just where verbalizing the paradigm outstrips the level of <something> we're not used to having to differentiate in language. Intuitively feel like any serious philosopher hits Kegan 5 fairly early and keeps going.
@captain_mrs e.g. Any programmer who actually understands programming I'd almost have to imagine hits Kegan 5 at some point; the 'stages' are reached by necessity. Don't develop a systematic mode until systems are useful, don't develop a meta-systematic mode until you're juggling systems.
@captain_mrs From an information theory view at some point trying to compress everything you're dealing with into one big map (i.e. graph) becomes impossible, trying warps in shape from the CPU limits of the human doing it.
Eventually meta-systematic becomes the path of least resistance.
Maybe after that we can discuss the myriad ways that censorship is part and parcel of basic functions like 'filtering noise' or 'enforcing state interests' and then ask how we want to implement our policies around those things?
i.e. Censorship will happen, the question is how. t.co/WlQUhVCgnZ https://t.co/Mn5VJY1ewF
Is there a good word yet for culture war linguistic invention?
Thinking similar dynamics and aims as clubs, brass knuckles, et al, but based on the embarrassing and Malthusian lives of Millennials and Zoomers.
They're very problematic. t.co/gR3QnGd3ag
@Triquetrea ๐ https://t.co/ZtQMzsnxVQ
@Cary_Bleasdale @eigenrobot sl4.org/shocklevels.htโฆ
๐IMMORTAL ๐SPACE ๐GODS ๐OR ๐BUST๐
@ArmandDoma @paulg To reframe furtherโstartups that become successful become powerful, and that is almost always going to threaten someone else's lunch. If you don't have haters it probably means you're not doing anything important.
@eslewhere stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/11/dโฆ
I still think about the $12 cell phone made by Chinese indie devs because their electronics ecosystem lets you easily play with production quality hardware and fork designs, while prototype hardware in the West is underpowered.
bunniestudios.com/blog/?page_id=โฆ
bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=4297 https://t.co/Dtk0FwDtTC
Feels analogous to the scene in Asimov's *Foundation* where the decaying empire has nothing comparable to the portable shield generators worn by Foundation agents.
@SamoBurja The college debt problem is an instance of the more general problem of dealing with occupational licensing & guilds. When moats exist for so long that practitioners have plausible deniability knowing there was anything unethical about the system, how to/should we compensate them?
@IvanDenker @SamoBurja Younger, usually made by people who are stung by the traditions so they fail to take proper inspiration from them, often inadequate radical conjecture (e.g. heart of liberalism is just categorically weaker than something like transhumanist mania).
@IvanDenker @SamoBurja Notice critiques of e.g. rationalists basically always focus on 'social stuff' and the weakness of Bayesianism or whatever, very rarely on the high future shock parts; those are much stronger so people contend with them less often.
This essay is bad, but that it gets written is interesting. x.com/balajis/statusโฆ
@zackmdavis @2xminus1 @getpelican Why Pelican over Jekyll?
@zackmdavis @2xminus1 @getpelican ัะปะฐะฑัะน!
@zackmdavis @2xminus1 @getpelican Oh, not at all, I was joking. They're both pretty similar pieces of software, though I've found Pelican to be a bit less featureful when I've used it.
Zero. All philosophies contain absurdity and paradox, the question is what kind of paradox you want to be dealing with. x.com/parallaxopticsโฆ
@RobertWringhim True religion involves radical conjecture, radical truth, if it doesn't totally shift priorities it's not religion.
@wormwood_stars Dennou Coil. https://t.co/66dP889i3h
@eigenrobot @0x49fa98 @shlevy Synthesis position is that contradiction is inevitable but most people tolerate way too much contradiction.
Musk claims to have noticed raw material costs are miniscule on his own, which is an interesting case of convergent reasoning if true. x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ https://t.co/P4NDHkhjDC
Also interesting that both engineers decided to christen their ship Dragon. https://t.co/slYFhkgter
And of course both seek to make a reusable cargo rocket launched from the sea.
Actually doing this is another story, one which Musk seems to be excelling at. https://t.co/PtCIsZTGI8
@pee_zombie firstthings.com/article/2020/1โฆ
@nosilverv A friend was kind enough to outline one of my draft essays for me, and that was when I learned with horror how people *actually* read my writing.
Nuance mostly just gets compressed down, afaict. e.g. A paragraph about someone likely being wrong becomes "this person is wrong".
@nosilverv And this is not a stupid person, they've worked at multiple FAANG companies bla bla bla. Their summary of my essay still read like horror to me.
@AbstractFairy @nosilverv Yeah, that one was enough for me to be like "Okay, no new essays until January 1st of 2021".
@disconcerta Rolling around in a blob of my own belly fat as I continue to eat all these consequence free lunches I'm getting.
"You have weak feeding instincts" I say to the gathered rodents, who jealously gawk at my superior physique.
"Want my pile of utility?" I purr, my basilisk eyes
@chimeracoder @whitequark There were a few weeks where you could be smarter than the CDC by punching "SARS asymptomatic spread" or something into Google Scholar.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/Pโฆ
@chimeracoder @whitequark Though, technically this study doesn't say an asymptomatic person can *spread* SARS-1, the entire concept seemed pooh-poohed too quickly by American doctors for my tastes.
Especially since they were wrong, and all.
@owenbroadcast Every so often I think about how we recreated historical fencing techniques entirely from dueling manuals. Revival is possible in this sort of situation, but it's better not to have died in the first place.
@scholasticia @owenbroadcast This is one of the several reasons it's better not to have died in the first place.
@pee_zombie @vgr Not sure this is a good idea: reducing-suffering.org/the-importanceโฆ
Do think the lack of realism about meat in climate change plans is a signal that Western governments have already decided not to do anything about it.
@achalaugustine @NickClairmont1 People can sense that, I think.
And it does make a difference.
x.com/BennettJonah/sโฆ
@adamsears @NickClairmont1 @KelseyTuoc This guy has found the underlying problem, not just with this but with everything else too. https://t.co/T6XBuLoPs4
Our society has reached stream entry. Now it will cycle through the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's, and 2000's until they all occur simultaneously and enlightenment is achieved.
US judiciary is its last good institution, would love to see a case analysis breaking down why US judges are so good where the rest of the country is falling apart and thoroughly corrupt. x.com/KenneyBaden/stโฆ
Rewrote my essay on alchemy and transhumanism. A story of convergent philosophical evolution, liquid gold elixirs, polyamorous rocket scientists trying to summon the antichrist, and picking up trash on the beach.
wrestlinggnon.com/extropy/2020/0โฆ https://t.co/LQNjHH2MI1
Scholar's Stage sums up the erosion of the intellectual commons:
scholars-stage.blogspot.com/2020/11/why-i-โฆ
I feel like his analysis is missing the elephant in the room: We just spent the last four years under conditions of intense cyberwar.
A thread. 1/N
Trump has been the cyberwar presidency. He's pioneered a new form of psychic warfare that lets him constantly saber rattle in ways that people can't ignore. When you're the president people are forced to take your threats seriously, no matter how often you make them.
His position has basically let him act like a culture wars jammer, spewing noise and anxiety into every conceivable channel of communication. The last four years have been Trump Trump Trump, and all the oxygen got sucked out of the room.
As I put it to a friend, this is much better than zero days. Maybe if you hit Twitter with a really good zero day and go for maximum vandalism, you can take the site down for a few weeks.
Trump basically took Twitter down for four years, and television news, etc.
It also works much better because using a zero day to take down Twitter is parsed as naked force, people would route around it. But Trump can code his garbage as data/value, turning the Internet's curation & delivery heuristics against it to sabotage communication.
Everyone thinks about "cyberwar" in terms of breaking into datacenters and sabotaging nuclear plants, but Trump has shown that can be primitive compared to the damage you can do with memetics and insiders.
Consider the stuff we weren't discussing because Trump was shinier.
On the other side of the aisle, you have sanctioned left wing witch hunts that seem to pick people off at random. The use of pseudorandom sacrificial violence isn't a bug, it's a feature; it works just like a panopticon.
outsidertheory.com/control-societโฆ
You only need to 'sample' a certain number of targets for digital mobbing to raise the costs of speaking beyond what most actors are willing to pay. People are going underground because the commons is both eagerly serving up noise and much more dangerous than ever before.
None of this can be blamed on any one faction or institution, many things come together to create this outcome. One is the return of yellow journalism, where it's gone from oligarchy to monopolistic competition trending towards perfect competition. Malthusian agents play dirty.
Another is the changing way we handle identity on the Internet. After Eternal September people mostly used 'net with pseudonyms, you went online to become someone else. MySpace and its descendants brought the drama and local bickering of 'real life' into the digital realm.
Contrary to popular belief, real name policies do not make people act more courteous: They provide more attack surface for bullies and partisans. The normalization of putting yourself out there has been pouring gasoline on the fire, making people nastier.
youtube.com/watch?v=g-blW6โฆ
Another factor is the increasing use of forums like Twitter, Tumblr, etc that actively incentivize hyperviral, easily compressed content. It turns out nuance doesn't compress well, extremism and partisanship does.
youtube.com/watch?v=PmTUW-โฆ
Caricatures compress better than real peoples personalities, slogans and extreme simplifications of policy questions compress better than thought out papers. Hyperpenalizing length doesn't get you the same ideas but short, it selects for qualitatively different things altogether.
@mattparlmer Everyone forgets that Switzerland was the OG land of freedom.
@JimDMiller Scott is just on hiatus, he'll be back soon, with cancel hardened funding & lifestyle.
reddit.com/r/slatestarcodโฆ https://t.co/SIlTSnJvKb
@pee_zombie @pervexists69 I have a mastodon server but can't find anyone worth federating with.
@pee_zombie @pervexists69 I'd rather not be running the postrat server, since I'm more "rat" than "postrat", but if there's really demand...
@EpistemicHope Vaccines are annoying in that you give them out at volume where if they have even moderate adverse side effects that can get very costly.
@michael_nielsen The part of the gospel of ramakrishna where he mimics the divine mother until he attains a sort of quasi-divinity to others is one of my favorites.
ramakrishnavivekananda.info/gospel/introduโฆ
@sonyasupposedly Rappaport's Conspirator: Lenin In Exile.
I like the way it focuses on Lenin as a character without spending too much time on moral judgment or axe grinding.
Also provides insight into the realities of organizing, most of Lenin's time seems to have been spent on drama and LARP. https://t.co/KnF9kOlZtn
@sonyasupposedly The dumb subculture drama would be familiar to anyone who is well acquainted with the Internet.
@amolitor99 @SwiftOnSecurity To my memory this is Penn and Teller's advice on magic tricks. The key to developing a successful magic trick is to put in way more effort than anyone would imagine possible to get the effect.
Anthropics imply you'll only observe timelines where a singleton uploads everyone or we all merge into the Borg. Others cease to exist once someone invents a 25 cent method to vacuum collapse the universe.
@pee_zombie The question is what's the minimal representation you can predict/regenerate the rest from. Seems plausible that the brain is enough to infer muscle memories/etc.
(Also, since when is 'muscle memory' stored in the muscles?)
Normies like @gwern have delusional stalkers who might murder them for the Satoshi coin, mine will kill me because they think my sha256 hashes can destroy the universe.
When sensors are cheap, attention is expensive.
Therefore if you want to discuss anything that isn't tittle tattle you have to coordinate something totally outside the social-media-woke-yellow-journalism-Trump-MAGA-panopticon. Everyone forgets that Substack only exists because people are anxious about funding sources.
@AClockwork_Crow We need a Trump-COVID Twitter swear jar. If each tweet about those topics cost 50 cents people wouldn't make them as often.
"Someone who groks the situation we're in is rarely risk averse, usually extremely risk hungry compared to most people. In that sense rationality is a philosophy of desperation."
Always being in the reflective mode is a tacit acknowledgement that the universe is broken. x.com/nosilverv/statโฆ https://t.co/nB3M80ifgI
"Chad" is a trap for people who are used to video game skill curves, a centrally designed benevolent universe that is rooting for your success, i.e. not our universe.
The truth is that whole-life flow states are hyper-exploited lives of mediocrity.
That road is closed to you.
The thing about the whole incel memeplex is that incels don't want to bang Stacy, they want to be "Chad". Chad's defining trait isn't his sexual power but his implacable masculine aptitude; Chad gets everything he wants without really trying.
youtube.com/watch?v=fD2briโฆ
"Trauma" is a word that's often pulled out to gaslight you about the world's brokenness, that it's your fault for noticing rather than something you should be trying to fix.
We live in an incentive hell where flow states are dangerous vulnerabilities.
x.com/Plinz/status/1โฆ
"Rationalists are starting to see that the naive dualism that many arguments are premised on - the mind a sort of all-knowing puppeteer pulling the strings of a rigid body from behind the eyes - is BS. "
Obligatory reminder that Korzybski felt this was a key abrahamic fallacy. x.com/Meaningness/stโฆ
Too much attention is paid to the Feynman ancestry of EY's rationality and not enough to the General Semantics part. Even less attention is paid to the hard scifi cosmology because I'm pretty sure most of his readers don't understand it (EY didn't exactly explain very well).
Regis's Great Mambo Chicken is a good pop science book for anyone who wants to get where EY is actually coming from.
In fact Great Mambo Chicken is shocking in how obvious and straightforward it makes EY's overall cosmology. I imagine after he read it he immediately started looking at the Feynman lectures (if he hadn't already) and Drexler's Engines of Creation. It makes becoming EY obvious. x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ https://t.co/HtgPYztkbC
After reading them you'd become some kind of transhumanist. Then all EY had to do is keep studying physics, CS, evo psych and AI (all tied to epistemology); interact with the Extropians mailing list until the insight ran out and found SL4. In that light he's not so special.
When I was 14 and reading The Sequences I asked how "could this person possibly exist?", now I ask why there aren't thousands more people like him.
Suspect most of the problem is amenable to this sort of analysis: joelonsoftware.com/2000/06/03/strโฆ
Haven't found the time to sit down and do it yet.
(At one point EY said on his website that this is the book that made him a transhumanist. Later on he changed his answer to Drexler's Engines of Creation, but he probably got the idea to read it from this)
@eigenrobot Children are vacating schools, the nation is healing we're the virus.
An MVP exists to test a hypothesis about consumer demand, a product that is not good enough to test the hypothesis is not an MVP. x.com/kocienda/statuโฆ
This is something that seems like it should be obvious once it's pointed out, but a surprising amount of literature defines it subtly wrong, e.g. "an MVP is the minimum product people will pay for". NO! Minimum product that tests your hypothesis.
The minimum product that tests your hypothesis can actually be quite involved, the usual approach to something like that is to have good priors (do your research) and do progressively more expensive tests (surveys, user interviews, then MVP) to see if you're on the right track.
The entire MVP approach to business is very meta, it's about exploring business hypothesis space quickly until you find something worth doing great in the first place.
(Hint: If your business hypothesis requires greatness, the MVP needs it too, achieve greatness where it counts)
@nosilverv I find that I tend to overestimate progress in the short term and underestimate progress in the long term.
@nosilverv Your material circumstances have a long lag time to catch up with your mind, don't expect revolutionary change right away.
Brian Tomasik's departed spirit lounging atop a giant pile of counterfactual utility, then jumping up with a startle as he wonders whether ghosts can suffer.
SHA256:
10d875aad1c157b536883d45245f05a051fc2f6e5457978f5ee94ec3a2a7d400
@SamoBurja https://t.co/PlzkspmQ6m
@Childermass4 I talk to people a lot and then lift some of the good lines and thoughts for tweets.
Ditto reading books, etc.
@0xGray @RokoMijicUK People are strange creatures that will set up television sets and buy cookies then complain they're fat and lazy.
SL1: "You know you can just make a sun?"
SL2: "You know you can just make a habitable planet?"
SL3: "You know you can just make life?"
SL4: "You know you can just make a generally intelligent agent?"
SL5: "You know you can just make a universe?"
See also: sl4.org/shocklevels.htโฆ
Reading up on distributed identity schemes right now, and this paper from Wilson and Ateniese has an interesting proposal: Use a blockchain to costly signal trust by sending the key you sign money that they then send back.
arxiv.org/pdf/1508.04868โฆ https://t.co/T5WXHjwFex
The overall paper is very similar to BrightID (brightid.org) which uses blockchain enhanced Web of Trust to try and form a sybil resistant network. It implements this staking process with an internal value called "health", but I think money is more interesting.
Unlike 'health', which the user has no incentive to care about, staking money on trust in the key signals more than just its authenticity. The amount of money staked can double as a costly signal of relationship strength.
This would provide an economic utility to the network that is otherwise lacking in the feature-impoverished PGP web of trust. Traditionally PGP's social network function has been considered a bug, embracing it could increase adoption by several OOM.
Sending relatively large sums of money as stake, e.g. $1000, proves you trust the key and have a strong relationship with the identity. You could make a network of people with game theory Common Knowledge they trust each other with large sums of money and can manage crypto keys.
@ireneista Lucky's Silicon Dreams: Information, Man, and Machine is an excellent book that explores this in detail. It uses information theory to sketch out the theoretical limits of human computer interaction with unmodified people, since people are the bottleneck.
(Minor thing: "several" is the wrong word there, more like "multiple". Also depends on how you count a PGP user.)
@chaophagy I tried this several years ago on Omegle, it's doable with people who don't understand how impossible that is. I suspect after GPT-3/et al it would be even easier.
As someone who has "don't move to the Bay" as a literal career goal, watching the Bay Area cope machine intensify is deep schadenfreude.
I've had so many friends who had their lives ruined by moving to the Bay, I'd say "it's not even funny", except it really isn't funny; it's horrifying. At least one suicide in the mix.
None of this is a new phenomena. Similar happened to young people that moved to Vienna in the early 20th century without a set career track to upward mobility. SF is a power city for power players, anyone who goes there without a job offer from FAANG/et al. is going to be prey. https://t.co/wCZqjtaWiW
@Logo_Daedalus I even cite the sources I think are dangerous.
@EpistemicHope I think people did do this but they didn't become popular. e.g. gather.town is a neat idea that I only barely heard of.
Leyland Kirby's Everywhere At The End Of Time has gone semi-viral recently. It's a six hour concept album about dementia, a odd candidate for viral popularity.
youtube.com/watch?v=wJWksPโฆ
I think a lot of that popularity stems from its accidental description of the Zoomer life arc.
That epiphany, that you can't step in the same stream twice, that trying to hold on to what was is a losing, futile exercise is the payoff: the rest of the album is a meditation on making peace with less and less as you ride to the bottom of the void.
As you get deeper into the "stages" of dementia, Heartaches returns in increasingly distorted and unfaithful renditions. Eventually you have the epiphany that you have no idea what it's supposed to sound like anymore, and won't hear it clearly again for the rest of the album.
The album centers around "It's Just A Burning Memory", a looped, eerie sample of Al Bowlly's Heartaches.
youtube.com/watch?v=S652aaโฆ
It's nostalgic and creepy at the same time, with an instantly recognized but easily forgotten melody. You pay it no mind on your first listen.
Life only gets more complicated, anxiety ratchets tighter as malthusian status games get meaner and more vicious. Ostensible material abundance becomes a distorted polyphonic tide of economic self parody. Problems aren't solved, only pushed deeper into the stack by new ones.
This is a sobering analogy for life as it's experienced by the more thoughtful member of Gen Z. The oldest of that cohort can barely remember life before 9/11, the 90's are a burning memory they were in no position to appreciate. As time goes on the song gets farther away.
Eventually the victim might find peace in the understanding that there is no answer, at least not one they're in a position to receive. Under such conditions it's no wonder that 25% of young adults contemplated killing themselves in June:
qz.com/1892349/cdc-deโฆ
2020 is something like Stage 4, where a lingering facsimile of awareness crosses over into totalitarian senility. Life becomes a horror story, everything is wrong and little makes sense. It is the essence of horror: The victim keeps asking "why" but gets no answer.
Our societal alzheimer's worsens as we desperately try to cling onto what was, but our recollection of how to solve basic problems is increasingly warped and unfaithful. Fantasies about collapse are analogous to the desire that a patient be euthanized to end their suffering.
That's the terror of a progressive disease: No matter how bad they think it is now, they understand it will only get worse.
@ollybot_redux @sonyasupposedly As an outsider I read it as having a manic personality type, which tends to be a low trust posture for me.
The dystopian cyberpunk future is already here, it's just unevenly distributed.
torrentfreak.com/nintendo-conduโฆ
@pee_zombie @GeniesLoki advocate.com/youth/2018/7/0โฆ
graymirror.substack.com/p/2020-the-yeaโฆ
Nothing is intolerable until people stop tolerating it.
I've done the opposite. One time I informed the professor that if they notice a resemblance between my essay and the Wikipedia page, it's because I wrote it the night before. x.com/RantyAmyCurtisโฆ
Men will literally tear apart the stars in heaven and build a Dyson Sphere instead of going to therapy
In case there's any ambiguity, I really did write it the night before.
@MidwestHedgie @Post_Market Is college supposed to make that question easier? There's actually a ton of context going into a concept like "the free market" that would be nontrivial to explain to a visitor from mars. Maybe "the discovery that self interest is a scalable motivator that produces good results".
@nosilverv I told you: Trump is what cyberwar actually looks like. You just spent the last 4 years in cyberwar conditions.
@nosilverv youtube.com/watch?v=jGKNaIโฆ
@thedenature @tophandour "I've been trick once before by that ghost thread, and I'm not going to be tricked again until I see a picture or a detailed mspaint diagram of what we are dealing with here."
> detailed mspaint diagram
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@thedenature @tophandour Where do they find these people? I'm actually crying with suppressed laughter.
Still think this is the best SomethingAwful thread though: forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.phpโฆ
@metanomial Newcomb-like problems are faced by people all the time. Other people predict what you are going to do and take actions based on that without observing any further behavior on your part. That's why it's so important not to be seen as "the sort of person" who would do bad things.
@metanomial The key to understanding the problem is that you're not making a choice between boxes, you're making a choice between what kind of agent strategy you want to use.
@yashkaf This is who Durkheim thought God actually is.
@yashkaf "Ten percent of the male masks portrayed hangahiwa wandafunei, and they were associated with the commission of ritually sanctioned murder. These murders committed by the violent spirits were always attributed to Nggwal."
traditionsofconflict.com/blog/2019/2/23โฆ
@michaelcurzi "Finally, he noticed something that most of the other engineers had in common that he was lacking: they all had fairly prominent moustaches."
folklore.org/StoryView.py?pโฆ
Retweet with 4 books you're going to read in 2021. x.com/PrinceVogel/stโฆ https://t.co/8GgUgkfOXG
There are layers of context I'm not getting in this thread, and that makes it so much better. Abstract conflict. x.com/nameshiv/statuโฆ
@ESYudkowsky Chen Sheng and Wu Guang vibes.
Genuine empiricism is underrated. You can choose your ontologies, hypothesis(s), and reactions to experience, but you (mostly) can't choose your experiences; those are inflicted on you. Well calibrated experience is axiomatic and ideas should contort themselves to describe them.
Sneaking suspicion that 'postrationality' is a sequel to 'rationality' in the sense that @ESYudkowsky (accidentally) let a lot of people feel like intellectuals by reading TVTropes and fanfiction; postrationality is a successor that lets them get the same thing with less effort.
This kind of tweet is cute, but I feel doesn't get across the sheer existential horror of what seems to be coming. SCP Foundation to the rescue:
scpwiki.com/clef101 x.com/ESYudkowsky/stโฆ
@ollybot_redux How did you decide on a preference between catgirls and doggirls?
@LadyAllSwift1 @vgr Always was, the left just scared me more. Still do, in the long term. Should be noted though that the run up to Hitler taking power involved his way being greased to stop communists from getting the chancellorship instead.
@LadyAllSwift1 @vgr We're on the run up to a civil war because there is an underlying ethnic conflict that lots of societal trends have been intensifying since the 90's (you can see political polarization shoot up starting then iirc). Nothing I say affects the outcome, frankly.
@LadyAllSwift1 @vgr Note that when I say "ethnic conflict", I mean the blues vs. the reds or whatever. Not that *other* kind of ethnic conflict...
@LadyAllSwift1 @vgr I think you are inferring things about me that aren't actually true. Trump is a dogshit person and needs to have been removed from office a long time ago.
@PrinceVogel He wanted to get an agreement with the Americans, since after the Russian government toppled they would be left holding the bag in WW1.
@PrinceVogel That information presumably lies only inside Lenin's head.
@TylerAlterman @SamoBurja x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
The beatings will continue until medical regulation improves.
thezvi.wordpress.com/2021/01/07/223โฆ https://t.co/qpvA4jcJkn
Paranoid part of me wondering what Trump needed buried from the front page so badly that this was his best option.
@phl43 Early Trump was very "drunk or drunk master?" for me.
Update: x.com/BNODesk/statusโฆ
Unlearning a long term future was an important part of coming to terms with the implications of contemporary technology for me, let alone future technologies. x.com/_StevenFan/staโฆ
That pre-finale elation you feel in the quiet moments for having made it this far before the end is how a "temporary bliss state" feels from the inside.
The break before tragedy is paradoxically a good mood.
Try taking a minute to reflect on your experiences up to this point. x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ https://t.co/VMkm13UKa4
Has there ever been this much attention paid to what year it is?
We seem to be in full postmodernity, evidenced by a mass awareness of the fact of existing in history; which is now commenting on itself. https://t.co/mCqr6AGteH
In the 20th century certain figures like Trotsky or Hitler would perform for the history books. Now everyone thinks of their lives as a performance for an imagined future audience.
@PrinceVogel https://t.co/t4ak1yi0hj
Verizon paid a billion dollars to delete Tumblr and nobody thanked them for their service to the community.
t.co/gi9FI3KIf3 https://t.co/dutZCgseHC
Now seems like as good a time as any to repost my Trump headline collage circa 2018. https://t.co/rvWgEJ0QBS
I support Twitter banning Trump as an act of temporary sabotage, but reorganizing our speech laws with that framing will be a disaster.
@nosilverv @pee_zombie @ExGenesis Tell us more.
@ireneista Bizarre take to me. From a game theory standpoint the only reason Trump has not to attempt a coup is something like honor. He's been caught in multiple very high profile criminal acts and knows he's marked as a sacrificial victim. Surprise is just more ignorance of fundamentals.
Refusing to track 2 and 2 then being shocked when I get 4.
@ireneista Sure, my point was more that normie energy increasingly just x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@RokoMijicUK @pee_zombie @eigenrobot @BecomingCritter @michaelcurzi @qorprate @vgr @nosilverv @chaosprime @yashkaf @alt_visa @robinhanson @liminal_warmth Ya'll know that it costs money to publish stuff to the blockchain right? Currently I upload hashes to Tezos mainnet at a cost of about three and a half cents each. Storing your actual tweets would cost more than that.
@cowtung @pee_zombie web.hypothes.is
@RokoMijicUK @pee_zombie @eigenrobot @BecomingCritter @michaelcurzi @qorprate @vgr @nosilverv @chaosprime @yashkaf @alt_visa @robinhanson @liminal_warmth However, most of those costs are to allocate storage. If you were to reserve space for a 10 status feed and then overwrite it each time you publish with new content, it would cost much less.
@liminal_warmth I could make it right now.
@nosilverv @pee_zombie @ExGenesis I've written before that a viable strategy might be to leverage peoples existing friend and professional networks to build instances. Provides natural segmentation of moderation and network power while solving the bootstrapping problem.
FediVerse people can follow me at extropian.net/jdp
I'll start mirroring posts after this one. x.com/pee_zombie/staโฆ
Anyone who wants to use my instance can DM for invite.
@PomoPsiOp Maybe he's waiting to have his Mastodon instance set up before he blasts the link out with presidential alerts.
Nobody will be expecting it when Trump blasts out the signup for his Mastodon instance using a presidential alert.
Everyone should be paying attention to this. The groups discussed might be ISIS or Crypto-Nazis, but the tactics used to suppress them are ideologically neutral. That makes understanding them essential for discussing rules for public discourse. x.com/AmarAmarasingaโฆ
I wonder how much time she spent workshopping this in the group DM. x.com/boop/status/13โฆ
@PrinceVogel @michaelcurzi You won't know if they're awesome a lot of the time unless you give them a chance. Obscure author of introduction to my print edition of Sophocles plays is great.
I want off Mr. Rome's Wild Ride.
@BudrykZack Need to caption the top with the text of the tweet.
FBI must be furious that Internet do-gooders sabotaged their honeypot.
If you come up with an idea so perverse your opponent is speechless you win by default.
The only way social media companies can reach profitability is by congealing into something so horrible it can be ransomed back to the ISP's for more than it cost to summon. x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@_oumuamua @RokoMijicUK @thespandrell https://t.co/jf91HfKFZF
@_oumuamua @RokoMijicUK @thespandrell x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
2020: Fucking around.
2021: Finding out.
You become an ex-gamer when you slowly realize that games don't let you visit a world where your problems don't exist, they just help you avoid looking at them.
@RokoMijicUK I would but Gab apparently disabled remote follows.
news.gab.com/2020/12/22/gabโฆ
I'd offer to let you use my Pleroma, but I'm assuming you want something more professional than that.
@pt @hunterwalk @CaseyNewton @MikeIsaac @jimprosser @nicoleperlroth Maybe the pattern will be waves of immigration and diaspora as people move to the Bay, burn out/get fed up and leave for other places. The Bay basically training Bay culture and then exporting it by alienating its residents repeatedly.
Thatโs not possible.
And if it is, only in theory.
And if it isnโt, it won't scale outside a laboratory.
And if it can, no one will go along with it.
And if they do, you canโt stop me from legislating it out of existence.
And if you canโฆ
Iโve been rooting for it since day one.
Preliminary review of Innocent Experiments.
tl;dr: People worship 1950's idealism but the hyper materialist industrialism of the boomers parents is what actually made Apollo and the Manhattan Project happen.
extropian.net/notice/A3DxEEDโฆ
@yashkaf @bubbleteaPhD Maybe the innovation of RedPill is to surround the sex life talk in a hateful frame so that it can exist on the public Internet.
@michaelcurzi Reading old books for status and reading new books for status are both activities with bad intentions at their root, both produce bad fruit.
@michaelcurzi The implication was that I don't think there are good reasons to systematically read the Western Canon (as opposed to just, not being allergic) outside of attempting to grow your old book dick. People should read things because they have goals, not because influence is magic.
Life is too short for classics.
@SamoBurja How do you approach the tradeoff between publishing too early and souring readers/not giving the best impression of your ideas; vs. the risk that you don't ship or ship too late?
Ditto advertising, advertising a work is not the same as publishing it.
@SamoBurja I was writing for a solid month and a half or so and then stalled on mine because I realized I didn't have what I needed to finish it.
@SamoBurja I put it up anyway, but I low-key hate it.
@SamoBurja I tend to hate my own work, yeah. There's an impulse to say "oh don't be so hard on yourself", but in my experience those feelings are usually pointing at real flaws. It goes away once those are fixed.
Not everyone has the luxury of fixing them though.
@Lithros Mind the lag between actions and their consequences.
@textfiles Still curious about this.
Really wish I could see whatever deep brokenness I have that's apparent to everyone but me.
(Protip: If you notice everyone else has huge psychological flaws, you probably do too) t.co/VQqmy9wc6r
I know someone who is actually at risk for the adverse reaction and still find this infuriating. x.com/MWStory/statusโฆ
Western teenagers think their parents are stupid because they aren't someone their parents can lose face to.
@PrinceVogel youtube.com/watch?v=OkeqjOโฆ
Thinking about this more. I bet it's something really stupid, which has self reinforcing blindspots so anyone who tells me about it gets severely punished (based on what I see from others anyway).
Implies you can closely monitor where you lash out at people to find your shadow. x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
Broke: Rationalists are Jews.
Woke: Postrationalists are Secular Jews.
Bespoke: Rationalists are hairless furries. x.com/michaelcurzi/sโฆ
Reminder that your choice isn't between getting the vaccine and not getting it, it's between getting the vaccine or COVID-19. x.com/peterwsinger/sโฆ
The syndication of governments, corporations, trade unions and the citizenry to universally enforce an authoritarian ideology is literally fascism.
worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Readโฆ
@pee_zombie @spakhm On a PinePhone you can in fact just SSH in and run a binary.
@pee_zombie @spakhm In fairness that's because a PinePhone uses a much more permissive security model than a mobile phone, with enumerated permissions for apps etc.
But, it's not an accident that running a homebrew app on your iPhone is a pain. Even on Android it's pretty much just ADB pushing it.
@DavidColeACLU @ACLU @LibertyLouise reason.com/2014/07/22/howโฆ
@nosilverv Dyson Sphere or bust.
@nosilverv That having been said, noticed massive online social retreat starting around October and it's annoying not to have anyone to talk to.
@nosilverv My best hypothesis looks something like people reaching the upper levels of x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@nosilverv One of the central features of religion is an ancestor cult, people encode and transmit the pattern of the most successful ancestors to future generations.
web.mnstate.edu/robertsb/380/Tโฆ
@nosilverv Christianity is very obvious straightforward example of this.
"In the future there will be no snow days and no friends, people will be locked inside their homes like chickens inside a pen." x.com/superforecasteโฆ
@shadowcat_mst Latest *buntu LTS builds have a pop up that shows you what you're pasting before it goes in.
@balajis It's structurally indistinguishable from narcissistic gaslighting:
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
You know in retrospect this tweet sounds really whiny and depressed, but that isn't the tone at all. I mean, literally, the things that people who are around me and like me notice are a problem but don't point out because they otherwise enjoy my company.
The fact that someone 'died' and we replaced them with a bot is a portent of things to come. Imagine Twitter progressively hosting a larger and larger bot population made up of echoes from its departed human membership. t.co/7U2JHRPqwG
@witchy_mary @NyxLandUnlife Problem is that sometimes people around you blow up or have a higher profile, and creeps will go through and doxx you just to hurt them. Sounds crazy but I've seen it happen.
New identities and norms create externalized costs for everyone else. In this paper we propose putting identity on the blockchain so we can properly charge people for occupying scarce Dunbar space- x.com/jack_daniel/stโฆ
Does anyone have a Ouija board? https://t.co/PVkH0pKiNC
@sonyasupposedly @eigenrobot @Austen I'm sure some totally-not-mentally-ill people have written an in-depth summary to refresh your memory.
@spookymachine @Virtual1nstinct Now comes hard mode. https://t.co/oacJaYtckB
@shadowcat_mst @sonyasupposedly @eigenrobot @Austen I would never.
@billpshort I still think the presidency most comparable to Trump is John Quincy Adams.
@billpshort Still kinda legit shocked we didn't get a 3rd alien and sedition act.
HE IS RISEN
astralcodexten.substack.com/p/still-alive x.com/Aella_Girl/staโฆ
@imhinesmi @JeffLadish This is actually a good idea.
@PrinceVogel All compounded things, all experiences, all phenomena by their nature decay and die, and are disappointing: it is through being not-blind-drunk on, obsessed by, or infatuated with, the objects of the senses that you succeed in obtaining liberation.
- Last Words Of The Buddha
@PrinceVogel Or as it's usually rendered:
"Decay is inherent in all component things. Work out your own salvation, with diligence."
@PrinceVogel The last time I read about the heat death it was speculated that over time, if the universe keeps running things will eternally recur through extremely low probability events. Perhaps even eventually another universe like ours.
This could be known false by now though.
@acidshill Coroner demands your corpse and they can't freeze you, thanks for playing.
@acidshill I've also never had the logistics of how this is supposed to work explained to me. Do people get that cryonics works by having a team of surgeons stand by waiting for you to die so they can freeze you ASAP?
@acidshill Coroners will demand your corpse for autopsy in cases of suicide afaik. So any plan that starts with "kill yourself and then cryo" is generally unworkable. You basically need to kill yourself in a plausibly deniable way while also ensuring you get frozen ASAP. Not realistic IMO.
@acidshill I only know this because it's a surprisingly common proposal in various thought experiments. That the implausibility of doing it and actually getting frozen is routinely skipped over bugs me. Especially since some people are impressionable.
@acidshill The cryo people don't appreciate it either I'm sure, since the fields founding they've had to deal with accusations of foul play and murder, etc. Accessory to peoples (illegal) suicides is a frustrating trope that makes the lives of people providing a marginalized service harder.
@EpistemicHope FWIW:
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@EpistemicHope I'm not a huge fan of the concept of a "Great Reflection" (I'd imagine most philosophical problems only take minutes for an aligned AGI to rigorously and completely solve), but genuinely worry that just sending people off in every direction ends in someone ending reality.
@acczibit Evergreen Tweet: x.com/Y2K_mindset/stโฆ
@EpistemicHope @gwern lol you don't want to know
@uberstuber Have you ever wanted to? slatestarcodexabridged.com
@uberstuber I incidentally had to binge read SSC to make this.
@Morgan_Anastasi Wrote a book, 100+ pages of essay, did research. It was good.
Pain is the philosophical argument of last resort.
@uxblake x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@_bottlejack @eigenrobot Bold of you to assume photoshop is necessary when the F12 button exists for the browser inspector.
Your daily reminder that death is a disease and it should be cured. x.com/_StevenFan/staโฆ
@spookymachine https://t.co/T1IWoM49Et
My 100 follower special would be signing peoples PGP keys but I assume I'm followed by the sort of "crypto nerd" that doesn't have one.
What the fuck did I just read? x.com/EmojiPan/statuโฆ
@RichardMCNgo I think the basilisk caused so much upset because it was the point where a lot of atheists realized they would likely face someones judgment after all.
"If there's a Shock Level Five, I'm not sure I want to know about it!"
sl4.org/shocklevels.htโฆ
@RichardMCNgo I stand by use of the word "likely".
aljazeera.com/opinions/2018/โฆ
@HiFromMichaelV @s_r_constantin @ESYudkowsky youtube.com/watch?v=Vknhe2โฆ
@alt1na1 Because degrees are an unlawful title of nobility.
@alt1na1 Unforgivable college debt is an unlawful imposition of indentured servitude (if you doubt this recall that Roman slaves would sometimes be given economic freedom to pay their masters).
@alt1na1 And most degree requirements for jobs are an unlawful entry barrier meant to substitute for the IQ tests and other instruments that were soft banned by SCOTUS because they were deemed to have a disparate impact on minorities.
@PrinceVogel Mahdihassan argues its colloidal gold.
Mahdihassan, S. (1979). A comparative study of Greek and Chinese alchemy. The American journal of Chinese medicine.
Mahdihassan, S. (1984). Outline of the beginnings of alchemy and its antecedents. The American journal of Chinese medicine
@PrinceVogel https://t.co/4kWAvsDAVD
There are two ways you exit the 'rationalist community', one is by deciding it's too much of the thing and dropping out. The other is by deciding it's not enough of the thing and becoming too much for everyone else. x.com/QiaochuYuan/stโฆ
The former people formed a social network and that's great, but a group comprised of the latter (who are way rarer, for obvious reasons) would be much more interesting I think.
@DaltonDEmery You don't want to know.
@DaltonDEmery youtube.com/watch?v=oIFLtNโฆ
@ollybot_redux History tells us this is one of the best ways to start a business. See: Hubert Cecil Booth
popularmechanics.com/technology/gadโฆ
The man who invented telephone switching owned a morgue. His rival's wife was an operator and stole all his business, automated her job out of spite.
FYI I phrased it kind of obliquely but this is a real offer open to any mutuals. x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
A market run is the language of the unherd. x.com/fidelcashflowsโฆ
Earliest postrationality I'm aware of is Samuel Bois's 1966 The Art Of Awareness, which tries to add social epistemology to General Semantics and frustrated me to the point where I nearly threw it across the room. x.com/flowerornamentโฆ
@eric_abu_ @SamoBurja x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@DocumentBitcoin x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
The problem with this is that you can only respond to public humiliation with regulation so many times before you lose all legitimacy. x.com/MalwareTechBloโฆ
Legislation is the metabolism of government, the faster you force them to legislate the shorter the systems ultimate lifespan.
Even better, the resource being burnt (goodwill, public confidence, etc) is almost uncoupled feedback wise from the agent burning it, so you can just keep arbitrarily manipulating legislators into footgunning themselves until they run out.
@TheAgeofShoddy Preserve yourself from this untoward generation!
gwern.net/Timestamping
@TheAgeofShoddy Service Gwern mentions is now paid, but this one is free: tzstamp.io
Me explaining shortselling this morning:
"So imagine GameStop is a shitcoin and Melvin Capital took out a loan denominated in the shit and then sold the shit hoping they could buy the shit back for cheaper to pay their loan. But now the shit is expensive and they can't."
Verifying myself: I am jd_pressman on Keybase.io. I7jLLC160RdDjDH_UZRYQCBrOaWBLUo8x-UN / keybase.io/jd_pressman/siโฆ
So how long until GameStop turns their stock into a cryptocurrency?
Anyone who needs me right now will have to wait I'm furiously analyzing the kabbalistic implications of an app called "Robinhood" getting used to liquidate Wall Street and give the funds to an advanced dark forest hivemind predator.
@MacaesBruno So what's your fediverse account?
@TCJasquith @MacaesBruno Gab is just the same crap different day. Use real decentralized social media.
@QiaochuYuan I didn't really have to chance any aspects of the way I live my life, but https://t.co/fRH6ZsLzBz
@QiaochuYuan In March there was a sense of calm as the lockdowns started. I'd known COVID-19 was coming for weeks and was a bit shocked by how fast the tipping point came. Plane travel stopped, no cars on the road. The world became quiet and medieval, otherworldly.
youtube.com/watch?v=6fpV2fโฆ
@QiaochuYuan What followed were two productive months of intense reading and research, it felt almost monastic. The next change in mood started around the riots in June. It became clear there was no plan to stop the virus and things kept heating up, tense and anxious.
youtube.com/watch?v=3QcJCoโฆ
@QiaochuYuan I feel like the worst month was probably August or September, though I can't quite remember why. Just the overwhelming dread and sense that things are on the verge of collapse. Others seemed to be feeling it too.
youtube.com/watch?v=s8153pโฆ
@QiaochuYuan Then things started calming down again, but instead of medieval lull it was now a kind of metaphysical disassociation. Everything is beautiful but sick and uneasy. Suspect a lot of people felt that way considering Everywhere At The End Of Time went viral.
youtube.com/watch?v=ja1ssqโฆ https://t.co/zjaoEorc78
@QiaochuYuan Now the mood is electric, hilarious, joyful. Trump leaving, Scott back, the kleptocracy footgunning themselves over and over in a bizarre game of footgun chicken. Think I became genuinely convinced I'd die during 2020, and this is all helping me get over the shock of being alive.
@ESYudkowsky @acidshill @the_aiju I think the whole hard science fiction cosmology part is kind of taken for granted/actively minimized in The Sequences, but really the most important ingredient.
Took a long time for me to get it as a real thing rather than just a story.
Pretty sure a lot of "??????" is literally just sl4.org/shocklevels.htโฆ and the contents of Great Mambo Chicken. x.com/acidshill/statโฆ
@ESYudkowsky @acidshill @the_aiju To get specific, I think the way you handled your fallout with the Extropians list left out a key piece.
readthesequences.com/Raised-In-Techโฆ
Instead of this you should have had a sequence where you go through SL1-4, starting from common sense notions of The Future into AGI eschatology.
@ESYudkowsky @acidshill @the_aiju "Here Is Why Naive SL3 Is Both Bad Futurology and Will Get You Killed: A Primer"
@Meaningness @slatestarcodex @glenweyl When will you acknowledge that EY is illiterate when it comes to academic philosophy and misnamed his ideas? His position is pragmatism with lots of math. It's rationalism grounded in empiricism. Experience (of win/loss) is king and ideas bend to fit it.
sirlin.net/ptw-book/introโฆ
The amount of energy David Chapman has extracted out of EY misnaming 'rationality' (like Korzybski misnamed General Semantics) would be shameful to all parties involved if English had better ways to check for type errors. x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@Meaningness @juliagalef @glenweyl @jonathanstray @slatestarcodex A complete theory of epistemology would probably be equivalent to a complete theory of human intelligence, tbh. Claiming to have one would be pretty dumb. Things like Bayes are a prosthetic epistemology to shore up what people naturally lack. Bayes has poor ergonomics though.
@Meaningness @slatestarcodex @glenweyl I think he's not good at communicating the structure, and probably lacks self awareness in terms of how some of the structure works; such that he can't actually communicate certain parts even in principle. I'd elaborate what I got out of it but the thread would be 100+ tweets.
@Meaningness @slatestarcodex @glenweyl Inadequate tl;dr would be that much of EY's philosophy is about dealing with living in a lawful universe that has macroscale phenomena too complex to just apply the law to and have good epistemics. "Bayes" is already meta rational from the perspective of a physicist.
@Meaningness @slatestarcodex @glenweyl Bayes is of course also not enough to have good epistemics because e.g. brains are not built to plug artificial epistemologies requiring lots of computation into them. Acknowledging this is more like meta-meta-rationality, since you have other stuff you do to function anyway.
@Meaningness @slatestarcodex @glenweyl How do you communicate that the laws are *laws* but cognition is bounded and the prosthetic epistemology is 'theoretically correct' within its domain except the flaws which you resolve by heuristics, which are rules you don't have the exact procedure for but exist in your head.
@Meaningness @slatestarcodex @glenweyl It's hard.
So you have EY saying that physics are laws:
greaterwrong.com/posts/zFuCxbY9โฆ
That Bayes is powerful enough to prove MWI almost on its own:
greaterwrong.com/posts/viPPjojmโฆ
And if you cling to the rules over experience you're a dork:
greaterwrong.com/posts/6ddcsdA2โฆ
Without contradiction
@Meaningness @juliagalef @jonathanstray @alexeyguzey @othercriteria @ESYudkowsky @glenweyl @slatestarcodex > Maybe if LW could internalize that thatโs what Iโm talking about, the unnecessary upsets could end.
Sure, as soon as you stop equivocating between 'rationality' in the 20th century formalism sense and the thing most of these people are doing, which is misleadingly named.
@Meaningness @juliagalef @jonathanstray @alexeyguzey @othercriteria @ESYudkowsky @glenweyl @slatestarcodex That is, stop using LW as an example lol. Or at least, use it more carefully. EY can get rhetorically dodgy, but the 'rationalist diaspora' is honestly pretty divergent from a lot of the pathologies found in Rationality: From AI to Zombies.
@Meaningness @juliagalef @jonathanstray @alexeyguzey @othercriteria @ESYudkowsky @glenweyl @slatestarcodex Naming it 'rationality' honestly one of the biggest mistakes in modern philosophy, 'rationality' is one of the most overloaded words in the English language with all the wrong connotations. I get what was being gone for (economic rationality) but it just causes so many problems.
@Meaningness @juliagalef @jonathanstray @alexeyguzey @othercriteria @ESYudkowsky @glenweyl @slatestarcodex Basically if you want to understand LW, model it as EY applying a bunch of patches to Max More's Extropy to deal with AGI being upstream of Nanotech/Biotech on the "what has more impact faster" scale and then turning that version into a self help movement.
@Meaningness @juliagalef @jonathanstray @alexeyguzey @othercriteria @ESYudkowsky @glenweyl @slatestarcodex The self help movement itself modeled largely on stuff like General Semantics, which was precocious in resisting a lot of excesses of 20th century formalism in the first place.
@Meaningness @juliagalef @jonathanstray @alexeyguzey @othercriteria @ESYudkowsky @glenweyl @slatestarcodex See e.g. Drive Yourself Sane by Kodish & Kodish.
@Meaningness @juliagalef @jonathanstray @alexeyguzey @othercriteria @ESYudkowsky @glenweyl @slatestarcodex Which is another reason why 'rationality' is a terrible name, the core of the philosophy is actually centered on the technical arguments, not the epistemological ones. These can be hard to separate, but the epistemology is only there to help you understand the technical argument.
@Meaningness @juliagalef @jonathanstray @alexeyguzey @othercriteria @ESYudkowsky @glenweyl @slatestarcodex To wit: If EY could have gotten people to understand AI Risk without writing The Sequences, I doubt he would have.
@bimboubermensch I read Becker's Denial of Death and Solomon et al's The Worm At The Core, both books about the same subject, one written in classic style and the other written in the study-driven pop science fashionable before replication crisis, IMO Denial of Death is a way more useful book.
For anyone who doubts this, I recommend this documentary about Joan of Arc from BYU TV. It portrays the way in which the trial to "decide" whether to burn her at the stake was in many ways more torturous and wicked than the burning itself.
youtube.com/watch?v=edUgN5โฆ x.com/bryan_caplan/sโฆ
@michaelcurzi If morality wasn't adaptive in the ancestral environment you wouldn't have it. Your sense of evil is trained on behaviors that in their primitive form are found to be self defeating.
@vgr Research for transhumanist movement building/et al.
@LinchZhang Believe this was mine: extropian.net/notice/9sKEMKhโฆ
In retrospect, too doomer-y. I'm still not sure *why* I was wrong, it would have been logical that shutting down shipping causes supply shortages. My friend who works at the grocery even reported their storage room running out.
@LinchZhang Also too late, I should have posted sooner.
@vic_press Ah, but for me the calorie density is a positive.
Philosophy is a record of an agents life experience, most people who want to argue don't have life experience worth updating on. x.com/nosilverv/statโฆ
The real rift between us is that I'm an analytic philosopher and you're a continental philosopher send tweet
@alicemazzy @patrickc I find it instructive to read history books where you'll routinely see things like people who know 7 languages to fluency.
How many people in 2021 know 7 languages to fluency?
@EpistemicHope en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perceptuaโฆ
Read this, consider the implications, and you will understand this behavior.
@EpistemicHope A PCT agent defaults to hiding under the covers to make the monster go away. You have to actively unlearn that to stop doing it, and even then it's very difficult because it's not something you can actually unlearn all the way, the flaw is baked into the design.
Even setting aside the eschatology stuff life is very short. A pinch of anxiety about spending your time well is a valuable hormetic to drive achievement. Extreme discounting of past achievement keeps you hungry, etc. This stuff is adaptive if the costs don't bother you. x.com/nosilverv/statโฆ
@nosilverv This is why I'm uncomfortable with EY's remix of X-Risk focused Extropy as a self help movement. It's similar to the problem with prosperity gospel: External motivator for what should be intrinsic reward misleads and corrupts. Make peace with the journey, not the destination.
@eigenrobot @turrible_tao @goblinodds @yashkaf @default_friend @nickchk @m_ashcroft @michaelcurzi @bitemyapp @sagar__dubey @sgodofsk Looking forward to some of these.
@nosilverv > Make peace with the journey, not the destination.
Means "indefinitely deferring a reward as a motivation tactic sucks, very fragile strategy", much more useful mental state Twitter is too terse to describe where you accept your 'reward' for doing stuff is the stuff being done.
@balajis "If you want a picture of the future, imagine a journalist reciting the luddite's prayer forever."
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@searching_sun Yes, but it's based on:
reddit.com/r/raisedbynarcโฆ
@matthew5johnson And? It's not like 'rationality' has a monopoly on setting goals for yourself.
@nosilverv x.com/mechanical_monโฆ
This thing but you find that it's alright (in an existential sense) because the process is satisfying.
@Meaningness > someone does their first 10 minutes of mindfulness & loses their sense of self and contact with reality.
Sounds insane but I know someone this happened to, had to step in and tell them about the risks of meditation before they went somewhere they couldn't get back from.
@Meaningness In fairness, it later turned out that person was extremely deep into x.com/nosilverv/statโฆ, and they'd learned to completely disassociate from stress so they don't even feel it. i.e. Deep into not-normal pathological behavior. You don't know that's you from the inside though. https://t.co/b3Z4gYu98B
@Meaningness If your entire self is being piloted by stress and anxiety, you literally don't have agency left after you turn it off.
@EpistemicHope @meditationstuff Because Buddhism was invented in the context of Hinduism, where the cosmic horror isn't that you'll be obliterated forever, but that you will spend eternity suffering your own stupid decisions over and over through reincarnation. Promising true death is attractive from there.
@EpistemicHope @meditationstuff The only way to live a life without harming others is to die, if someone promises you one they're talking about your burial.
@ggreer @ghostfencing catb.org/jargon/html/tvโฆ
Context: Discussing the radvac whitepaper. x.com/QiaochuYuan/stโฆ
@Meaningness
vividness.live/charnel-ground
What are some of the accurate (but too academic for most readers) books on chod and tantra you don't list here?
A friend of mine who was getting into socialism like 15 years ago explained to me that the place you met hardcore revolutionaries was a tiny newspaper run out London by people who hadn't been to Russia in a decade, and I knew I never had to think seriously about Socialism again x.com/atothe_d/statuโฆ
Find it odd how we don't talk more about the trillion dollar bounty someone put up for breaking contemporary crypto that no one has claimed.
This thread is full of blackpills, especially the replies. People are absolutely desperate not to have to hear how dark Gen Z's world actually is.
This one is my favorite: x.com/pandabnos/statโฆ
School is clearly technology for suppressing kids social demands as human beings. x.com/annbauerwriterโฆ
I'm not saying we've proven P != NP, just that a trillion dollars is not enough incentive to induce anyone to publish a public proof otherwise.
Reminder that the first rule is not to apologize to the mob. x.com/ErikWemple/staโฆ
Encouraging underlying trend here: People rediscovering concepts like 'libel', 'torturious interference', and renorming them into existence by exercising atrophied legal powers and social institutions. x.com/FoxCahn/statusโฆ
@mattparlmer I find it quite encouraging tbh, implies you can take powerful ideas to world religion status in just 10 years.
You're always under the stars, it's just that sometimes you can't see them.
@AlldrittOwen But where do functional practices come from?
internet.png x.com/Stooge21/statuโฆ
@PrinceVogel @Evolving_Moloch Best academic Twitter I've ever seen, iron timeline discipline. One of the people that convinced me microblogging can be a worthwhile medium.
@ESYudkowsky @DaltonDEmery DON'T MESS WITH TIME
@EpistemicHope @HiFromMichaelV @reasonisfun @uncatherio @Meaningness "Rationality is about winning, not math."
@EpistemicHope @HiFromMichaelV @reasonisfun @uncatherio @Meaningness This is a totally ludicrous take IMO, for the reasons outlined here thelastrationalist.com/rationality-isโฆ
For more practical minded people who aren't fans of the esoteric and far away, J. Storr Hall's "Where Is My Flying Car?" hits most of the same points with a contemporary frame and down to earth scale of ambition.
You know, like raising the dead and rebuilding America in a week. x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ https://t.co/NK53FK7eY6
@mattparlmer What's the reasoning behind that? Is audio just intrinsically less viral than text/images?
@mattparlmer Oh I was reading it as the party uses audio chatrooms as the outlet for otherwise prohibited speech, unofficially.
@razibkhan IMO, one of the fundamental barriers to something better is that almost everyone has (insanely) decided that since 'religion' is a polite word for 'lie' that their goal should be to design a better lie. Even Max More thought of Extropy as a 'religion substitute'.
@razibkhan Core of religion is 'great lie' by incidental fact of being 'radical conjecture'. The ingredient there is an idea that completely reprioritizes things, we have plenty of those lying around in the unmetabolized technical possibilities still open to us. e.g. transhumanism.
@razibkhan I still need to respond to "Transhumanism: Towards A Futurist Philosophy" (raw.githubusercontent.com/Extropians/Extโฆ) at some point.
@razibkhan You even have big gods, if those are really necessary for social cohesion like some scholars claim. e.g. Even the earliest stories about cryonics acknowledged that any civilization capable of reviving you from suspension would be able to read your memories.
@female__son @AFCollective1 @nerv_emma Eh, born in 1996, am zoomer. I think it really comes down to if you grew up with the Internet and 9/11 security state absurdity in childhood. My first Internet connected computer that I could just use without someone over my shoulder was age 7 or 8(?).
@glenweyl This interpretation honestly never occurred to me, and I think I now get why people say the name was "arrogant".
"What could be arrogant about admitting your ongoing fallibility?"
@giggs_boson @pareinoia Willing to bet if you looked a little closer that was the pretext rather than the actual casus belli.
Kinda feel like 'I just need better mental health uwu' is a spook, Nietzsche did all his work while crippled by bowel pain and migraines. He'd just do 20 minutes of work, then lay down until it subsided to do 20 minutes more. x.com/Virtual1nstincโฆ
A lot of the real impetus behind this sentiment is that people attracted to EY rationality have deep seated problems with the idea that they're not superhuman. Being disabled, traumatized, is intolerable and they'd rather chase miracle healing than sit down and do the work.
@PrinceVogel I guess my objection to this would be that there isn't a clear distinction between 'mental' and 'physical' health, there's a sorta blurry distinction. But bowel pain and migraines are going to be just as mentally problematic as any anxiety attack, as someone who has had many.
As always I recommend reading the life of Anne Sullivan Macy, who barely got into a school for the blindness she contracted as a child living with her abusive family that died of tuberculosis leaving her in the poor house.
ia601602.us.archive.org/4/items/in.ernโฆ
She taught Helen Keller to read
I'm underselling it tbh, the book is an endless parade through hell, a nightmarish fever dream of the worst aspects of the 19th century. https://t.co/g1NPYcw939
@PrinceVogel @heckinwild readthesequences.com/Making-Historyโฆ https://t.co/zMP0Z7twjU
Enforcing the law is for suckers, real chads refuse to enforce the law until it overgrows to meet their standard of laziness.
@Meaningness @DRMacIver amazon.com/Rapid-Contextuโฆ
Because knowledge like that has market value and doesn't require sinecures to pay its way.
Take in how awful this is, then self-administer your daily reminder that it isn't 1% of 1% of the worst that happens to you in hell.
aljazeera.com/opinions/2018/โฆ x.com/selentelechia/โฆ
Took one blog post to bump my evaluation of Qualia Computing from "weird EA-cluster sinecure factory" to "unsung geniuses in the fight against cosmic horror".
qualiacomputing.com/2019/07/09/getโฆ
We just passed the moment Serial Experiments Lain was predicting and Trump was Lain.
@ESYudkowsky Call Center Management On Fast Forward is a great book because it demonstrates what it looks like to take something that seems entirely intuitive and impossible to solve symbolically, then breaks it down into formulas and concepts that completely define the problem physics.
@ESYudkowsky Not an-answer but the-answer. "If you have these conditions and you want these outcomes you will pay for this level of staffing resources, or you won't get the outcomes you want in a sustainable way, period."
@ESYudkowsky It also turns out that the call center problem is actually a recurring organizational pattern that usually just gets solved in an ad-hoc horrible way because most people managing call centers have no idea that's what they're doing.
Joy is excitement in the present moment, which can't exist if unexpected possibility is eliminated. Kierkegaard describes depressives as living in a world where everything becomes necessary and trivial. They've become fully tragic, protagonists steamrolled by necessity.
A unifying theme Iโve been trying to express in my essays is the distinction between a hopeless and a joyless universe. We say hopelessness is the worst thing that can happen but joylessness is worse. People can live without hope, but take away joy and everything becomes tedious. x.com/Virtual1nstincโฆ
The joy of killing an implacable foe is stolen, replaced by new foes of the same type immune to the last victory. Worm's setting is shown to be joyless, even killing an endbringer is trivial. Momentum is lost and the plot stalls, people become tired and the reader gets tired too.
In a good long running tragedy problems are completely resolved in ways that dig the protagonist into deeper problems. The plot progression of Worm takes such a funk after the endbringer Behemoth is killed because heโs replaced with more endbringers.
Happiness is not joy, in fact it is precisely happiness that is preventing joy in most cases. Happiness in the way a fisherman or Buddhist monk is happy is a state of equanimity, tranquility in a moment without craving or preference for something else; a kind of miniature death.
@pareinoia This chapter of The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna is great: ramakrishnavivekananda.info/gospel/introduโฆ
9c333c159688cae7975c716664b1ab5ffb604aa85e00beda833ad3eb4c44207a
@juliagalef Very, that password seems a bit weak. xkcdpass usually spits out five or six.
@Aizazadi_ @visakanv linktr.ee/sscpodcast
@Aizazadi_ @visakanv Gotcha. The way you phrased it made it sound like you might not be aware SSC itself is available in audio.
@nosilverv McNeil's History and Character Of Calvinism helped me understand a lot of stuff that was otherwise not obvious to me. For example did you know that the 'Western Canon' is actually just a training program to help you do Christian Humanism by being able to read a greek bible etc?
@telmudic @alt1na1 That is the point. Carefully constructing an almost-contradictory standard is a way to replicate original sin in secular ideologies and religions. It provides the extreme insider/extreme outsider dichotomy necessary for scapegoating and sacrifice.
blakemasters.com/post/245786838โฆ
@nosilverv amazon.com/History-Characโฆ
@nosilverv Did you know Switzerland was the land of freedom before America did it? Etc, etc, etc.
@nosilverv I'm not sure the concept of public education and religious freedom are compatible.
Econ 101 assumes finding a point in product/labor space where demand exists is trivial, in actuality it's complex and becomes more complex as economy-space gains dimensions of value. Curse of dimensionality applies to humans too, and eventually navigation becomes impossible. x.com/EpistemicHope/โฆ
As Yanis Varoufakis points out (youtube.com/watch?v=gGeevtโฆ) key innovation of capitalism is lending money you don't have to instantiate expected value. To repeat: Rational expectation of value precedes empirical value generation in a capitalist system. Bankers centrally plan it.
At that point you're now de-facto experiencing the problems of a centrally planned economy. It's no coincidence that the US increasingly resembles the Soviet Union in its inability to actually do anything and has even lost ability over the last 5 decades.
Institutions offer you a path through hyperdimensional economic space. Navigation is a separate consideration from raw capital or skill acquisition. You solve the problems of planned economy by meta-planning your economy. It fails once demand exits dynamic range too fast.
When you can't capture patterns by delegating to subagents (as congress does with many laws and capitalists do with firms) you can't provide people with a path through economic-space and your society begins to degrade. IQ needed to self navigate goes up 0.5~ points every year.
And here I thought it would be Trump that passes a 3rd alien and sedition act.
@pee_zombie x.com/yashkaf/statusโฆ
@pee_zombie x.com/mattparlmer/stโฆ
@nosilverv https://t.co/A5B5mKTp8O
@nosilverv x.com/BigGulpAmerikaโฆ
@Alex__1789 A lot of it is that capitalism is just a trick to meta-plan your economy that stops working after a certain point of complexity.
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@QiaochuYuan @sashachapin I've considered this before. If you look at the costs biggest barrier is article length. So could write radically short tweet-like articles that the crowd pays to have author expand on. Differentiate through long term tracking and coverage of stories, like tech requires.
@QiaochuYuan @sashachapin Default story view would be a timeline of events, articles are radically short and cover essential details of an event, more if people pay to hear more.
@QiaochuYuan @sashachapin These timelines are added to over weeks/months/years, totally different mindset to news coverage than current institutions. More like Google Alerts than Bloomberg Terminal.
@giuseppe_aaron @ESYudkowsky Yeah, I use it when I read certain research papers and books hosted online.
hypothes.is/users/jdp
@default_friend @sonyasupposedly I initially wrote a pointed foreward for slatestarcodexabridged.com, but then decided not to publish it because Scott seemed vulnerable and I didn't want to make his life harder. Would definitely consider hosting an anthology as discussed in these replies there.
@ZZZZwriter @nosilverv It's an edit someone made to refute the original.
xkcd.com/1357/
@jimrandomh @glenweyl @slatestarcodex @robinhanson @balajis tbh Yarvin was going to become a libertarian smash hit regardless of whether Scott chose to write a rebuttal of his ideas. Yarvin is basically taking the axioms of libertarianism seriously and then reductio ad absurdem-ing them. He revels too much in trolling but is worth reading
@jimrandomh @glenweyl @slatestarcodex @robinhanson @balajis It helps if you realize before the Moldbug thing he was a major Usenet troll. His entire thing is crafting clever troll arguments to illustrate interesting things about the idea-space in which those points live. If you take him straightforwardly and seriously you'll just get mad.
@jimrandomh @glenweyl @slatestarcodex @robinhanson @balajis Reflecting on it, I think Scott's engagement with Moldbug was probably net positive. I had the time to sit down and read his refutation of Yarvin's ideas: slatestarcodexabridged.com/Liberalism-Andโฆ
And while Scott himself isn't satisfied with it, I think it goes a long way towards deflating them.
@jimrandomh @glenweyl @slatestarcodex @robinhanson @balajis I think the rationality community genuinely has a problem with being too quick to consider outlandish ideas without a warranting context for considering them in the first place (a mistake EY warns against). By the time Scott got to Moldbug he was already popular though.
@jimrandomh @glenweyl @slatestarcodex @robinhanson @balajis WRT rationality communities specific relationship to him. I think a lot of people see him like a wrestling heel? Yarvin is, openly, a bad person; it's his persona. You like him but only in the context that you want to see him lose. Heels have real fans but most are adversaries.
@jimrandomh @glenweyl @slatestarcodex @robinhanson @balajis Also re: programming language design.
cosigned
Good part starts 42 minutes in. x.com/eigenrobot/staโฆ
@TylerAlterman CW: Hiphop with explicit lyrics
youtube.com/watch?v=whJE_sโฆ
@TylerAlterman youtube.com/watch?v=lcGYEXโฆ
@PrinceVogel It's not too late. ๐ https://t.co/zHBL9qqAgJ
If you want a picture of the future imagine green death cultists not understanding Jevon's Paradox forever. x.com/shadowcat_mst/โฆ https://t.co/fvj59GguJ4
@jessesingal Application data/settings.
He hated the rats so much that he himself became a rodent.
@Virtual1nstinct Move tutor teaches stuff, but you have to pay him in this weird cryptocurrency you find on the beach.
I honestly thought this was real and wasn't the least bit surprised. x.com/Thinkwert/statโฆ
@Virtual1nstinct wrestlinggnon.com/extropy/2020/0โฆ
@michaelcurzi https://t.co/3rPhZYBInH
Thomas Malthus wants to know your location. x.com/RichardMCNgo/sโฆ
@AndrewQuackson When the 1st grade teacher strangled me for helping a disabled child get their pencil box off the shelf, because she'd told me to sit down.
@altachron Also interested in knowing.
@eigenrobot @Gabe21131936 @ollybot_redux @EggProphet @whomademecrispy I'm long @balajis and short @slatestarcodex, personally.
@ollybot_redux @eigenrobot @Gabe21131936 @EggProphet @whomademecrispy @balajis @slatestarcodex ive been inspired to do a new non fungible token where you can mint challenge coins based off proof you've been blocked by a user
@ollybot_redux @eigenrobot @Gabe21131936 @EggProphet @whomademecrispy @balajis @slatestarcodex i christen it emnitycoin
@ollybot_redux @eigenrobot @Gabe21131936 @EggProphet @whomademecrispy @balajis @slatestarcodex Now wondering if you can actually do this. Maybe you could prove you've been blocked by letting an app try to access someones tweets as you?
@ollybot_redux @eigenrobot @Gabe21131936 @EggProphet @whomademecrispy @balajis @slatestarcodex Wonder who the most coveted block on Twitter is.
@sonyasupposedly @sonyasupposedly If you're still interested in this I know someone who can generate some interesting imagery from text prompts. It isn't DALL-E and it's not quite as good, but still gives cool outputs.
DM for details. https://t.co/02KUQhBoEo
@sonyasupposedly Offer open to anyone else too.
@visakanv This is the reason why in old school cryptosystems like PGP a lot of emphasis is placed on signing messages and in later systems like Signal signing is avoided. Cryptographers decided that being able to repudiate a message is more important than perfect authenticity.
@visakanv "It should be easy to fake a message" is now an explicit design goal of contemporary cryptosystems, and that's kind of fascinating.
@eigenrobot 4PM is fine, whichever one lets us talk longer is preferable since I expect us to get into some interesting tangents.
Maybe, we'll see.
@eigenrobot @AClockwork_Crow Oh good I was going to say something like "Nah you're plenty interesting I bet he'd let you" but then if you said no it'd be super awkward.
@eigenrobot @AClockwork_Crow He's the kind of person who gets really obsessed with things so I genuinely think he probably has a good half dozen topics (at least) that he would be an awesome guest for.
@AClockwork_Crow One thing I've advocated for is that people should SHA256 the fact they're not talking about something and post that to the timeline, so later after the drama is dead they can reveal it like "Hey remember when I didn't talk about 2 + 2 = 4 discourse? Virtue of silence."
@eigenrobot @ollybot_redux @NLRG_ @BendiniUK
@eigenrobot @ollybot_redux @NLRG_ @BendiniUK Author of greaterwrong.com/posts/wmEcNP3Kโฆ
Sequences style rationality is to Extropy as meditation is to Buddhism.
@jackpo773 @SamoBurja That is exactly what they did afaik. It's even ballsier because the studio signed them for not enough money, so they just went ahead and filmed the first 8 minutes of the movie and then asked for 10x the budget so they could go and film the rest, since they were now out of funds.
@pareinoia x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
"Biden will stop the proliferation of these so-called "ghost guns" by passing legislation requiring that purchasers of gun kits or 3D printing code pass a federal background check." x.com/zerohedge/statโฆ
The problem with illegibility is that it hides triggers at the cost of letting people project their worst fears onto you.
That is, it's only really valuable if it eliminates you from consideration as a threat hypothesis in the first place. If you're illegible and getting attention, it's likely actively working against you.
If you're high level enough though this can be used deliberately to mess with your enemies. I think this is a lot of what Trump was doing with his PR, he'd figure out scissor statement kinda stuff that would antagonize his enemies while endearing him to his allies.
It's very much the hacker method of war: Find a map-territory mismatch in your opponents strategy where they think a losing metric tracks victory, then give them the opportunity to maximize their own loss for you.
@Alephwyr This is what public key crypto and message signing are for.
@Alephwyr Maybe we only experience the measure where public key crypto fails to gain adoption because otherwise AI can't ruin history? :P
Otherwise imagine that retrocausal manipulation leads to incoherence in a multiverse. If incoherence is lethal, only experience coherent timelines.
@Alephwyr (Unless of course you want to argue against MWI and for retrocausal manipulation, seems like a tough sell but I'm not very physics savvy yet)
This comment about bitcoin makes me think if a conspiracy theorist modeled it as an alien meme infection that self reifies burning human bootstrap resources they wouldn't be too far off.
youtube.com/watch?v=S_A9aaโฆ
Reminds me of Alex Jones 'gestalt' explanation of the human plot. x.com/niftynei/statuโฆ
@eigenrobot As an aside, one place where I think General Semantics does have a significant leg up over LessWrong is its focus on bringing nonstandard grammar and notation into language. People keep joking that LW jargon is so dense it's a fork of English, but the GS people forked English.
@eigenrobot Korzybski started with small additions, like differentiating multiple uses of the same word to refer to multiple things in an argument using subscripts. e.g. Thing_1 is the motte and Thing_2 is the bailey. Then later stuff like eprime goes all the way.
@eigenrobot For example, to deal with the noncentral fallacy you might say that Martin Luthor King is a criminal_3 but not a criminal_1 (where the 1st subscript gets the central definition).
@eigenrobot And this was in the age of typewriters and print, where adding nonstandard syntax and notation was expensive. With modern computer publishing you could go much farther and even have dynamic syntax, in ways that would have been impossible for General Semantics in the 30's.
I hate to burst peoples bubble but the early COVID people I was listening to (at least) projected much more danger than actually turned out to exist.
Thankfully the truth turned out to be less bad, but the idea people predicting 6% IFR are prophets because of lockdowns is odd. x.com/Meaningness/stโฆ
@matthew5johnson Definitely, and I do think the more doom-y predictions were a lot more justified than "are masks racist?"; in that sense we're very lucky COVID wasn't more deadly.
@SandrewFinance @eigenrobot slatestarcodexabridged.com/Book-Review-Seโฆ
@CringeDisciple @eigenrobot Re: Book
Going Clear by Lawrence Wright
Re: Alchemy
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@fmd4cp @eigenrobot General Semantics is a pathway to many abilities, some considered to be unnatural. https://t.co/PncnySp5KX
@HiFromMichaelV One of the classic Scott points is that science can't even reliably conclude morphine reduces pain.
slatestarcodexabridged.com/The-Control-Grโฆ
@HiFromMichaelV "You could almost convince me that SSRIs donโt have a detectable effect in the real world; you will never convince me that benzos donโt. Even morphine for pain gets an effect size of 0.4, little better than SSRIโs 0.3"
slatestarcodex.com/2018/11/07/ssrโฆ
@ProjectWoody @eigenrobot Yes, though I don't think that invalidates the concept.
Someone has never heard of intrusive thoughts. x.com/emilystjams/stโฆ
One competing access need around the whole 'egg' meme is that there are a lot of people who do not have good hypothesis filtering, and their brains will literally suggest ideas because they don't like them.
This is not good messaging for OCD folks like that.
Me too. x.com/tszzl/status/1โฆ
@alt_kia @eigenrobot x.com/ESYudkowsky/stโฆ
@eigenrobot @GarrettPetersen I'd be happy to go into more detail on a different podcast, if anyone is lurking.
@eigenrobot @GarrettPetersen I think I'd want to focus in on the postrat thing, since that's where a lot of the dangling threads were pointing to.
@eigenrobot @GarrettPetersen Specifically: Religion, social organization, what's actually going on with the rat vs. postrat beef (since it isn't epistemology), Newton and alchemy, et al.
"The thing they call thinking you would call being depressed."
"They never do the thing you call thinking."
"They want to stop 'thinking' because it is pain."
Excellent podcast on postmodernity with @HiFromMichaelV.
clearerthinkingpodcast.com/?ep=028
'These materials may have been obtained through hacking' being based on a filter that encourages people to incorporate it into their posts shows the way that naive 'rationality' falls apart in contact with the real world. x.com/hrmtinventrofnโฆ
@sirsfurther @TwardowskyMA @eigenrobot Oh wow that flew totally over my head in the moment, I thought he meant 'in fiction'. xD
@metaphrand_ Humans have the ability to pull utility from anticipated future reward/punishment states to motivate action now. Carrot and the stick have different motivational textures that work better in different situations.
Opportunity cost is one of the most underrated mental motions with the funniest 'absurd' (but not really absurd) conclusions in contemporary thinking. 10/10 recommend. x.com/paulg/status/1โฆ
@Virtual1nstinct ""This is it... this is where I belong..."
I know everyone here... even if I've never met them, never talked to them, may never hear from them again... I know you all...
Damn kid. Tying up the phone line again. They're all alike..."
phrack.org/issues/7/3.html
Strong schizo energy on the timeline tonight.
@Virtual1nstinct I usually think of this as 'very old school'.
amazon.com/Exploding-Phonโฆ
Hm. dichotomytests.com/test.html?id=0
I feel like most people who looked at this result sheet would get the wrong idea about me. x.com/Aella_Girl/staโฆ https://t.co/34M7Yat65J
e.g. "Would you rather get an expensive car or save a starving child's life?" is an odd question in that you could save N children's lives by selling the car. It's a test that lives in the fake world where you aren't already making lots of moral choices right this minute.
@QiaochuYuan Lot of postrat is noticing most important domains are anti-inductive
slatestarcodexabridged.com/The-Phatic-Andโฆ
"One fundamental agent algorithm then is "Think in ways that avoid pattern capture". How would you have to think to use structure but avoid repeating yourself?"
liberaugmen.com/#pattern-captuโฆ
@QiaochuYuan Of course many people who encounter this fact decide to completely submit to Keynesian Beauty Contests and abandon 'truth' as a correspondence theory.
This sort of Gaussian parasitism is essentially social cancer growing like crabgrass around the last bastions of righteousness.
@Alephwyr The sad part is that this is such a common interpretation of magick (e.g. it's a trivial conclusion of New Thought/The Secret/etc) that I believed you were sincere the first time I read this.
@Alephwyr The law of attraction has such horrible consequences when people believe it in a scarce entropy-tendency universe.
"Listen poor person, your suffering is putting off some real negative vibes and you could just stop malingering any time you want so I need you out of my aura."
Any of my followers have Urbit?
@LongTran02 Yes but I just ended up remembering the past as being as awful as it was.
tbh the entrenched social naivete is one of the worst aspects of the wider ratsphere, and I think mostly distinct from the advanced epistemology involved. Identifying as a social invalid is setting yourself up to lose. x.com/mattparlmer/stโฆ
The combination of idolizing Chad's natural aptitude and embracing positive thinking makes a neurotic wreck of the American mind. In the act of hating yourself for having a self you hate yourself for hating yourself and re-notice you have a self, which you then hate yourself for.
@zackvoell @hectorr159 @BBCJustinR @elonmusk And they'll keep saying it until they run out of people who haven't heard it.
@michael_nielsen Transhumanists tend to be authors of this kind of work, in varying degrees of family friendliness.
More family friendly: nickbostrom.com/fable/dragon.hโฆ
Less family friendly: slatestarcodexabridged.com/The-Goddess-Ofโฆ
Transhumanists 1990 vs. Transhumanists 2021 https://t.co/ZVjMIdrL6v
@michael_nielsen Well, they attempt it at least.
@PrinceVogel > between sex and empire
youtube.com/watch?v=nGmETzโฆ
@BecomingCritter x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@Anoneconomist1 I have no idea what you're talking about.
@Anoneconomist1 researchgate.net/profile/Elise-โฆ
@QiaochuYuan @Meaningness As a corollary to this, citations are an excellent way to dissipate tendencies towards this kind of cultish worship. Not using them strikes me as negligent.
@GlitchesRoux Proof of stake coins such as eth 2.0, Tezos, etc use much less energy to validate transactions.
We must imagine Kierkegaard happy. x.com/sonyasupposedlโฆ
@disconcerta @eigenrobot Including your own.
@disconcerta @eigenrobot Thankfully from Twitter's perspective it's probably pretty easy to enforce a UNIQUE constraint on the likes table/remove the duplicates.
I could go around telling the "bitcoin is killing the planet" people that proof of stake coins exist, but the Boydian thing to do is just let them overinvest in that narrative and ๐ฟ๐ฟ๐ฟ when it evaporates out from underneath them later.
Boyd: The Fighter Pilot Who Changed The Art Of War is an excellent book btw, wonderful description of how to succeed at doing things in a pervasively bad faith environment. https://t.co/C5BvqYNi74
@OswaldHurlem @eigenrobot @ubiquity75 https://t.co/7Hs0WyOm9D
@Meaningness @11kilobytes @QiaochuYuan @lukeprog I think a lot of it is that EY attracted many extremely academically illiterate readers? It's not a mistake I would ever make now for example, but when I was 14 I was clueless. Can confirm I know people who I had to tell "EY didn't come up with the vast vast majority of that."
@michaelcurzi https://t.co/67csJz2iDM
@hasturized @eigenrobot ESR talking about that was actually one of the things that led me to research this in the first place.
Urbit
~ladsyt-mirdyl/extropy https://t.co/6srMevi4A5
Dunno why he even responds to this stuff. Anyone who pays attention to the way someone structures their life can largely tell if someone is here to grift or not. x.com/visakanv/statuโฆ
The number of people who pursue a virtuous path to anything with zero red flags about their underlying motivation is very small. Vast majority spend no more than the necessary effort to hide their goals and the consequences of what they're optimizing for fill in around them.
PSA: You are allowed to just look at someones behavior and infer their goals from it. Even based on relatively subtle cues! If you were punished for that when you were younger you might not notice you can successfully do it now.
John Lennon's son writing a psychadelic rock ballad about Jack Parsons is still one of the cooler things I learned about during my subculture history research.
youtube.com/watch?v=XcOHiGโฆ
Handing out NFTs as an ARG reward reminds me of the limited edition items Neopets would hand out for participating in the site 'plots' (which were basically on-site ARG's before that was what people knew to call them). x.com/mycodecraftingโฆ
One man's FAI is another man's basilisk.
Sorry guys I already sold my soul to Singer's FAI for 29 cents.
extropian.net/notice/A3B97m2โฆ
Fascinating ratio on this thread. x.com/mattyglesias/sโฆ
@tszzl Please, this has nothing on Runescape bank sales. https://t.co/c3vgi3tOvq
@vgr Bit late to the party with this take IMO, this talk came out in 2016 and Neil was kinda lampooning the idea back then as an Internet OG.
youtube.com/watch?v=TB7fqTโฆ
@vgr Heck the talk is even titled "How To Be An Internet Explorer".
@tszzl @eigenrobot > commonly loved household names that would release a lot of free energy if cancelled
Woke as malthusian elite infighting and creative destruction vehicle is very underexplored thesis compared to its predictive power IMO.
@tszzl @eigenrobot See also politics of sacrifice:
blakemasters.com/post/245786838โฆ
@eigenrobot Reminder that SlateStarCodex Abridged has a one click button for downloading the entire site precisely to make it difficult to suppress as samizdat.
slatestarcodexabridged.com
@eigenrobot https://t.co/QqDYVX119o
@eigenrobot I want you to imagine seeing your ideological opponents as an analogue of ISIS and your enemy is literally human connection:
x.com/AmarAmarasingaโฆ
And then tell me with a straight face that you are not an actual Care Bears villain.
@eigenrobot Oh and your ideological opponents are *checks notes* "anyone who didn't think 'masks are racist' was a sane COVID-19 op-ed in February of 2020".
@webdevMason @liminal_warmth Always has been.
@NLRG_ @eigenrobot Technically they're discussing the QAnon/MAGA people, but that seems like a euphemism for "anyone the regime feels is a threat to ideological hegemony".
@quotidiania x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@hectorr159 Urbit sees the spam problem as being largely caused by the identity problem.
urbit.org/blog/common-obโฆ
I disagree, but do think it's a large component in the particular context of computer systems.
@hectorr159 I've actually softened my stance on Urbit ID's after using the system and thinking through the idea of paying significantly more than $10 for an ID. The realistic alternative to Urbit ID's would be a costly signaling contract, which would de-facto lead to similar overall price.
@hectorr159 Still think the costly signaling contract is more flexible and has more interesting possibilities, but the mere price increase of Urbit ID's caused by speculators isn't actually that big a deal; at least so far.
@bronwynwilliams It's a stand in for the 1950's scifi future that was promised and didn't come to pass, used precisely because it is stereotypical and unimaginative. It doesn't challenge the viewer or force them to think, which means it instantly and reliably references the concept.
@bronwynwilliams That is, it's an ironic/insincere reference; like most other things in meme culture.
This is a succinct description of where I think the postrats are actually coming from. t.co/9PnvEczXQJ
Also think Scott Alexander had an even bigger impact than I said he did off the cuff during the podcast.
Anti-inductive domains, the extreme unreliability of science to find truth/replication crisis, illegibility, etc etc are all ideas Scott either popularized or articulated.
Epistemic Learned Helplessness:
slatestarcodexabridged.com/Epistemic-Learโฆ
Anti-Inductive domains:
slatestarcodexabridged.com/The-Phatic-Andโฆ
Replication crisis/inadequacy of science as complete epistemology:
slatestarcodexabridged.com/The-Control-Grโฆ
Illegibility:
slatestarcodexabridged.com/Book-Review-Seโฆ
How many people cite 'bounded cognition' et al. vs. citing something that was literally popularized on Scott Alexander's blog?
Also a succinct description of why we have a Bayesian-approximate brain that doesn't actually use 'correct' update rules. Surviving the environment is table stakes, even deer manage it, your big brain is there for social combat and soaking up culture.
slatestarcodexabridged.com/Book-Review-Thโฆ
@thesravaka Can't tell if this is chaotic good, lawful evil, or chaotic evil.
@Virtual1nstinct youtube.com/watch?v=HgAJn8โฆ
@ThottonMather slatestarcodexabridged.com/The-Control-Grโฆ
@ThottonMather This is a pretty central example of someone analyzing the thing. See also: Philosophy of science, 'theory of knowledge', etc.
See also this summary of the history of rational theories of human knowledge: metarationality.com/Aristotelian-lโฆ
@PrinceVogel If you died tonight, can you compress where you'd tell someone to go looking for the solution to the thing you're working on in one tweet?
@chaospel @spookymachine I got into the ratsphere when I was 14.
@generativist @chaosprime Tell us more.
@s_r_constantin @QiaochuYuan This whole thing is weird meta-simulacrum cope for the fact that we live in a broken universe and then trying to pretend like that's a subjective, personal problem.
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@s_r_constantin @QiaochuYuan You don't have a disorganized attachment relationship to your parents, you have one to your whole society (and perhaps even the entropic-tendency cosmos by extension).
@quotidiania Chad exists above a certain percentile of aptitude, and he simply dodges or soaks exploitation as further proof of his extraordinary fitness.
@quotidiania Take note of the positive feedback loop where the better this proves your fitness the more desirable it is to be Chad, which makes exploitation a better strategy. Literally self reifying/reinforcing bad life advice on a societal scale.
@quotidiania @s_r_constantin @QiaochuYuan It's definitely both, I figured this was implied. "You don't [just] have..."
Related: Often know the answer to something before you know why the answer. Seriously trying to generate the why's can produce intermediate hypothesis that are dangerous to articulate and taken as you questioning the answer itself. x.com/nosilverv/statโฆ
Not least of which because sometimes doing this shows the answer was wrong all along.
@s_r_constantin @QiaochuYuan Michael Vassar has an interesting podcast where he discusses the phenomena but not really its causes.
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@simoj_ This entire thread exists in the context of a discourse that basically asks the question "Is there anything to this rationality thing beyond cope? Isn't it just a spook?" and that's kind of my reply.
'Rationality as perma reflective mode' isn't insane if the universe is broken.
@simoj_ (Of course, 'perma reflective mode' is a caricature and effective people don't work that way)
@HiFromMichaelV @s_r_constantin @QiaochuYuan @reasonisfun This was in fact already clarified, I just deleted my part of that thread so as not to sidetrack from Sarah's (IMO quite good) exposition.
๐ REVIVE ๐ THE ๐ ANCESTORS ๐ BASED ๐ ON ๐ PHYSIOGNOMY ๐ t.co/P1vqifLIAR
@AndyFarnham @3andcaptain x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@nosilverv It's a key feature of Crowley's Thelema, but probably predates it in some fashion I'm sure.
First they killed the ancestors, then they killed god.
@cosmicoptima Korzybski framed it as going from being un-sane to sane.
@cosmicoptima amazon.com/Korzybski-Biogโฆ
@PrinceVogel A lot of whether you really internalize "Eliezer's Extropy" comes down to whether the Azkaban arc in HPMOR did its magic on you or not.
@PrinceVogel You can critique the rest of the story as weird propaganda kitsch, but that part in particular is something else.
@PrinceVogel Like there's a sense in which the rest of the story after that is only given out of a sense of politeness.
@eigenrobot This cuts both ways: newsweek.com/save-americas-โฆ
@eigenrobot Never said that, just said it cuts both ways.
@eigenrobot In general, courts will likely enforce against certain kinds of Woke commisarship, but they won't dismantle it for you because the Woke also have the opposite right not to be fired for being zealots.
@eigenrobot I actually do expect courts to be relatively 'neutral', at least for now, but important to remember that just because you theoretically have legal neutrality doesn't mean you have social or resource neutrality.
Warrant is a general epistemological concept but we only apply it to criminal justice.
"Warrantless laws", "Warrantless news articles", "Warrantless arguments" are all important categories of thing destroying our society that we dance around but fail to precisely describe their core problem.
@GarrettPetersen It's a good question. I think a lot of the argument was *about* whether the article was warranted regardless of which side you fall on.
My feeling is something like "Scott is clearly part of the discourse, but a article that doxxes him is clearly totally unwarranted."
@GarrettPetersen Which itself I think calls into question what exactly the NYT's role is in regards to The Discourse anyway. Is Scott the sort of thing they should be writing about at all? Maybe. But asking the question seems more important than what specific answer you come up with.
Was thinking of writing a token tweet bot before tt got big. In that timeline I would never dream of being this stupid.
(Hint: The right solution was authors can frontrun the person trying to mint their tweet. Preserves virality while putting content & money where it belongs.) x.com/SciStarborne/sโฆ
@SciStarborne I would also just not mint tweets that block the bot, since like, why on earth..
Point is that if you let authors get there first fewer would be so angry they want to not participate in the first place. "Sorry I just don't want this money" isn't a thing I'd expect to be common.
@SciStarborne But it's a preference you should definitely respect, actively anti-respecting it is a copyright suit waiting to happen.
@SciStarborne (To say nothing of the sheer jerkass-ness of it)
@SciStarborne The ethical/design reasoning is that if you just have authors mint you'll never get past the bootstrapping phase. If you let anyone mint it's viral, but disrespects (and frankly illegally profits from) authors work. Frontrunning lets you start viral and have authors take over.
@SciStarborne Lets just say that seeing how the concept turned out in practice, I'm glad I didn't go for it. This is very ugly.
@SciStarborne Not having a good solution to automated content trawling is one reason I chose not to do it.
@SciStarborne Suspect the general shape of a solution would be to only let N tweets be minted per day by an identity (since minting is centrally controlled), but actually doing KYC/etc for that would be tough/high friction.
@SciStarborne Notable that in practice this problem was solved by first mover advantage going to someone who just doesn't have any morals, clearly.
@SciStarborne In retrospect the idea seems to be premised on tweets not being substantial enough to qualify for copyright protection, but I suspect @tokenizedtweets is going to get to test the limits of that assumption.
(Don't fancy their odds, tbh)
@jgstorms Sorry just saw this, you seem to have already found it but: soundcloud.com/user-557955426โฆ
@eigenrobot greaterwrong.com/posts/NfdHG6oHโฆ
Many people think they're standing on the moral high ground when it's actually just an enormous pile of corpses.
Empiricism is king in science but measurement is the queen. x.com/nameshiv/statuโฆ
See invention of the airplane being a breakthrough in measurement.
wright.nasa.gov/discoveries.htm
Wright Brothers invented a way to measure airplane part performance, which made inventing the airplane easy.
@QiaochuYuan x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@postpostpostr @ElodesNL @amirism_ Only if you come to attention as a hypothesis in the first place, but yes. This is a tactic for avoiding being hypothesized about, not to prevent them from drawing the wrong conclusions.
@postpostpostr @ElodesNL @amirism_ The fundamental dead end is it only works if you're small/have low reach in the first place, at a certain point of distribution scale it actively works against you.
@jsmill37 One loose definition of a dark age is a time when single individuals can have outsized influence. In an adequate society problems are being solved by many redundant persons.
@jsmill37 See e.g. the old joke about any given 20th century physicist getting hit by a bus setting the field back a few hours.
@liminal_warmth Actors don't want to do it.
Kepler on spaceflight in 1610 https://t.co/lrRHpr0xxP
@nosilverv @RokoMijicUK Compare/contrast to what Bezos was saying a few years before in an interview: youtube.com/watch?v=rWRbTnโฆ
Compare/contrast with what Bezos himself was saying in an interview a few years before:
youtube.com/watch?v=rWRbTnโฆ
Dude just lays out the business plan basically. x.com/SamRo/status/1โฆ
Do not be psyop'd into thinking ideas don't matter, ideas absolutely matter. But they're multiplied by execution, so without execution an idea is worthless. The base value still matters though.
@niftierideology This would actually be a great story premise.
@SamoBurja The dark forest has a long tail of stalkers and weirdos unfortunately. I still keep my DMs open for now.
Kind of Guy who just stands in the aisle going "That's not root beer." and he's still saying it when the store attendant comes by to swap the Mug out for vape juice flavored root beer. https://t.co/Jjm34D0Jl1
@yashkaf @jessesingal I think this is actually too charitable. To an agreeable and unethical person (or just unreflective, scarce difference) disagreeableness *is* a form of unethical behavior. So their prior is that any disagreeable person can be assumed to have engaged in unethical actions.
@yashkaf @jessesingal There's a phenomena called the limited hangout where you admit a partial truth to deflect a worse truth. Opposite thing also exists where evidence of a mild or moderate bad act is used to grease the wheels for blatantly untrue accusations of worse behavior.
@yashkaf @jessesingal This is the basic reason why you never want to say sorry to someone in bad faith. They will just use the admission as a platform to accuse you of worse stuff that didn't happen.
@yashkaf @jessesingal It's also why there's a weird averaging where true accusations against unusually bad people tend to get rounded down and false accusations against good people get rounded up. People are aware of this game and filter the signal to account for it.
Feel like this would be less of a problem if we used formats and styles more amenable to updates/partial drafts.
stackingthebricks.com/how-blogs-brokโฆ
Blogs took over because they provided an easy way to send updates to readers so they'll come back to your site. x.com/visakanv/statuโฆ
Git diff might provide an interesting way to construct an RSS feed for page updates.
@RokoMijicUK J. Storr Hall says it explicitly in *Where Is My Flying Car?*
@tszzl Design certification dominates rocketry costs, so in practice raw materials ends up being a single digit % of expenses.
In that context of course bigger is better.
@erienneyoung sirlin.net/ptw-book/introโฆ
@vic_press I agree - we should immediately ban all nonlocal news coverage of mass shootings, removing most of the incentive to commit them.
@orthonormalist @eigenrobot Evergreen tweet.
Cosmic horror solarpunk novel where the protagonists world is consumed by a economic meme anonymously invented by aliens to burn earth's bootstrap resources.
Bitcoin maximalists get the death penalty but it doesn't stop them from making specious arguments about altcoins. x.com/postpostpostr/โฆ
Post an image of yourself as the final boss without downloading new pics. x.com/NightTheNavi/sโฆ https://t.co/X0VecFH7oY
You've been consumed by a paperclip maximizer! Do you want your possessions identified?
Reading Engines of Creation and you can totally see how EY would cite this as his main formative influence. https://t.co/4GGI6HAOsD
@HiFromMichaelV @selentelechia > maybe replace 'sane' with 'protected'?
Disagree. Then it'd just be the first. Inability to be harmed and unprotected basically the same thing from social standpoint.
Paranoid psychoticism has an element of self persecution (i.e. feeling insane) which invites real persecution.
@RokoMijicUK I think it's also an understanding that they can't hold off the 'progressive' coalition forever. So rather than try they find ways to make that momentum benefit them and hurt their enemies. It's judo.
@PrinceVogel x.com/micsolana/statโฆ
@Plinz Actually unsure what you're talking about.
@VictoryCasts @eigenrobot Well here's a blog post about one of the things I didn't talk about:
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@VictoryCasts @eigenrobot A friend of mine already kinda wrote one for the Korzybski parts after I introduced her to the subject:
greaterwrong.com/posts/hmai5Lruโฆ
@VictoryCasts @eigenrobot Kodish's Biography of Korzybski is amazing, and you'd be better to read that if you want a book length treatment of the Korzybski parts:
amazon.com/Korzybski-Biogโฆ
If you want a picture of the future, imagine nanomachines sculpting the face of a giggling catgirl forever.
The Forest Passage by Ernst Junger (1951)
archive.org/details/the-foโฆ https://t.co/4Drs45Eblj
@eigenrobot You say this imagining yourself as the person being cut up for their organs, but if you were one of the five dying you'd be crying with rage that the surgeon won't do the obviously right thing and get you that kidney.
And then you'd die.
@eigenrobot (Just so we're clear I'm not quite utilitarian and don't quite think killing the weary stranger for his organs is a good idea, but people really overemphasize how intuitive the wrongness is here because they think healthy people like them matter and sick people don't.)
@0creativitigang @diegofrosalesm https://t.co/l9es68wMiz
@AlphaMinus2 @lucinda_svelt I have never claimed this. I said that this is something we should be worried about happening.
@AlphaMinus2 @lucinda_svelt x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
Empathy based ethics in a darwinian organism often boils down to "Positive utilitarianism for me, negative utilitarianism for thee."
"We should solve wild animal suffering by killing nature" is an example of this.
@estnihil @ollybot_redux No, worse. Trump was Lain.
The Internet removes most of the downsides of cuteness. When your body is a vestigial organ it doesn't need to be functional.
@cooperating_ No, actually.
For one thing that would imply I hadn't already read it.
My avatar is CTS #851 x.com/RiversHaveWingโฆ
Disclosure: I have a financial stake in the project and got the avatar for free.
Funny story: I was originally going to buy some rationalists souls under the same terms as @liminal_warmth and put an IPFS link to the sale contract in the metadata of flagship pieces. But decided that minting peoples souls as an NFT would give me too much unwanted satanist cred. x.com/RiversHaveWingโฆ
"Mental health needs to be evaluated in light of the specific culture and life history of the individual" is the motte, "submit to normality and do everything I say or you won't be let out of this padded cell" is the bailey. https://t.co/jEbpuSXyxW
From: benjaminrosshoffman.com/moral-mazes-asโฆ
@Alephwyr Duels weren't about dueling, duels were about not dueling. The point of duels as a social norm was to make the BATNA for social conflicts bad enough that people are forced to sort out their garbage instead of letting it fester.
youtube.com/watch?v=m7iHmuโฆ
@Alephwyr Yeah, implicit in the idea is that you are assigning a very high cost to ongoing interpersonal conflict. This is probably much closer to correct than how we're currently conceptualizing things.
@ESYudkowsky Same energy: https://t.co/F0Gn1fNJ1x
A certain kind of unnatural temperament, often trauma induced, is a crucial ingredient to maximizing behavior (i.e. agency).
Only people who are hard to satisfy can sutainably manifest agency, otherwise they settle into a niche and decay.
AI is hard to align precisely because AI is built agentic in a way humans aren't. Humans do not fantasize about sitting on a giant pile of paperclips for eternity. They don't even fantasize about sitting on a giant pile of humanonium for eternity. Their idea of heaven is rest.
In order to like anything on the pseudo-accelerationist singularity menu you need to have the deeply unnatural preference to enjoy your life forever.
We're satisficers trying to write a maximizer that makes our satisficing instincts happy.
Modernity giving you a consistent epistemology and then being scared of noticing you're not actually blameless; doing bad things and leaning into your pathologies in a attempt to try to become blameless. t.co/d00FQf3SF4
An inflated sense of justice cannot correct a lack of virtue. The unvirtuous person trying too hard to be good is more corrosive to society than the common criminal they replace.
The local mafia will never try to teach children that math is racist.
@EpistemicHope @s_r_constantin @jessi_cata @ben_r_hoffman This is one reason why I regard long arguments as an extreme antipattern. You end up trying to formulate novel verbalizations about parts of concept/hypothesis space that you haven't explored in detail before and saying something that locally fits but is unendorsed on reflection.
@EpistemicHope @s_r_constantin @jessi_cata @ben_r_hoffman And doing this in an adversarial context to boot.
@ben_r_hoffman @EpistemicHope @s_r_constantin @jessi_cata Social cost is also extremely high.
@ben_r_hoffman @EpistemicHope @s_r_constantin @jessi_cata Being seen getting trounced in public.
@ben_r_hoffman @EpistemicHope @s_r_constantin @jessi_cata Effectively weak-mans the audience, making it harder to argue your case later even if you're right.
@ben_r_hoffman @EpistemicHope @s_r_constantin @jessi_cata Though if we're being totally honest, original impetus for heavily penalizing long arguments was noticing myself spending too much time on them to little effect.
@ben_r_hoffman @EpistemicHope @s_r_constantin @jessi_cata Pretty sure the socratic-gotcha looked for was "because it lowers your status" but I'm actually willing to defend that branch too.
Significantly lowering your friends status in public is an unfriendly thing to do, going into an activity you know will likely do this is meh.
@ben_r_hoffman @EpistemicHope @s_r_constantin @jessi_cata On reflection, I state it as an antipattern rather than just a personal preference because I've found that most long arguments aren't doing a lot of work. They're long because the arguments are weak and people are talking past each other, not because lots of cruxing happens.
@ben_r_hoffman @EpistemicHope @s_r_constantin @jessi_cata In which case it makes more sense to stop early once you've derived enough bits of the opponents pattern and then come back when you understand your position in relation to it better.
@EpistemicHope @s_r_constantin @jessi_cata @ben_r_hoffman Moral arguments are particularly pernicious because people tend to take your exploratory statements as eternal evidence they can cite that you are Bad and Evil; that your confabulation is the real you. And you can't even say you didn't say it, because you did with witnesses.
The less coordinated against a kind of badness society is, more likely people participating will face zero consequences for it. In that case the marginal benefit of using inflammatory language is high (if it works) and the marginal cost in people you like being punished is low. x.com/EpistemicHope/โฆ
Major case where this isn't true is if you can reasonably expect retroactive punishing agents to take power. But since the trend line for power in the 21st century converges to 'effectively infinite' (i.e. singularity) you're not doing enough about that problem by not speaking.
To the extent social justice/et al are basilisks you are not doing enough to combat them if you just do soft coverups of your friends bad behavior. In fact that almost seems like the worst possible solution since it neither protects them nor stops the bad behavior.
@alexandrosM @RokoMijicUK @AVMiceliBarone Registered predictions from people considered flagship public intellectuals. It doesn't even need to be tons of thought put into it, the general range of consensus 12 years ago would look cray in 2021 terms.
@hyperdiscogirl @eigenrobot Insisting there are ineffable properties you don't understand is one of the ways GPT-2 protects itself from precise agents encroaching on its territory. Mostly noise, mostly not important, adversarial obfuscation.
@hyperdiscogirl @eigenrobot It's a mud moat but you're not allowed to examine the mud: noahpinionblog.blogspot.com/2017/05/vast-lโฆ
@sonyasupposedly My reaction was "Wait any company could have gotten press coverage by hiring me to shitpost on their corporate Twitter? Like not even shitpost about the product, just literally post normally and pretend I'm logged into my main?"
Except I have better taste than to be Popperian.
Some people think maximizing human utility would entail hell for animals, which implies they also believe inverting it leads to positive or neutral outcomes for nonhuman life.
I find alignment hell plausible, inverted heaven/null implausible. This implies an inconsistent belief.
@imhinesmi Well that itself points at a point about the semantics of utility functions. Everyone understands that maximizing a utility function looks like 'good things happening'. But does inverting it mean 'bad things happening' or 'good things not happening'. Those are very different.
@imhinesmi e.g. Sometimes you add a minimizing prompt to an AI and it generates the opposite of X, sometimes it simply eliminates X. These are not the same operation, being eliminated seems vastly preferable to being adversarially optimized. Using same interface to do both doubleplusungood.
@jack_meditates "One of his key points was that how you treated your enemy was often a key element of whether or not you suffered from PTSD, and that mutilating an enemy corpse, for instance, was far more traumatic than mutilating a live enemy."
acoup.blog/2020/04/16/colโฆ
@bleepbeepbzzz @danlistensto @eigenrobot That isn't necessarily inconsistent with them not having Astra Zeneca vaccines to give out at said appointments.
@robinhanson You know there's a very easy way to get direct, unmediated personal experience of this particular phenomena...
Scissor statement #0 might just be a specific formulation of "Is there anything sacred, magical, or ineffable anywhere in the universe, at any point or any place? Is anything fundamentally separate from profanity?"
The answer is no, but 50% of users get this question wrong. t.co/bjL1c8DKZA
@tszzl aeon.co/essays/left-anโฆ
@0x49fa98 Twitter makes it very obvious who has an internal compass and who just comes on here to talk about whatever is trendy.
Which is to say whatever the priest class wants them talking about.
@RokoMijicUK cbsnews.com/news/lgbtq-ideโฆ
> 72% of the LGBT Generation Z adults identify as bisexual.
Empirically the answer is yes. Bisexuality and homosexuality aren't actually part of a natural category though. Bisexuality is mostly learned behavior, homosexuality is mostly innate.
t.co/XHYit7yN5k https://t.co/kt24BTVG6Z
If you boiled various philosophers and branches of philosophy down to their essential mental motions, the literal mental gymnastics that are used as rules of inference and habits of action; you would find many make extensive use of moves like "rationalize away the consequences".
Nothing, it's not like anyone ever thinks to fight back. t.co/dx5wrcIoA8
Few understand how the FDA's vaccine hesitancy flows from our intellectual elite. Philosophical skepticism is the default position of Western academia, it's a form of loss aversion. Skeptics only care about disbelieving false things, they see no obligation to believe true things.
Eliezer Yudkowsky style rationality is the radical position that opportunity cost is real.
x.com/caitoz/status/โฆ https://t.co/R7jiPYilsu
Broke: Packing your body with salt to preserve the flesh.
Woke: Packing your body with cryoprotectant to preserve the mind. x.com/eigenrobot/staโฆ https://t.co/kJhC6yph7y
@bowserbot2 I refuse to believe this is a bot.
"Inquisitorial jury" is not a system I had considered x.com/Logo_Daedalus/โฆ
@chaosprime @michaelcurzi Why not both?
@michaelcurzi @chaosprime x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@michaelcurzi @chaosprime The case I always come back to is horses. There used to be many more horses in human industry and transportation, and then we invented cars and their numbers dropped hugely.
Was this good or bad for horses? If bad what could have been (realistically) done to make it less bad?
@michaelcurzi @chaosprime A lot of what makes Jain fundamentalism weird is that our societal telos is almost the opposite of it. Some Jain sects don't build temples because it disturbs the environment and hurts many insects and small animals. It's a vanquished foe of modernity revived through value drift.
@michaelcurzi @chaosprime And if those are your moral intuitions you don't have survival options that will satisfy them in our society; combining those intuitions with consistent epistemology (i.e. scrupulosity) is going to make all choices hurt, existing painful, and entail some kind of contradiction.
@RokoMijicUK @nickcammarata same
"I am the only one who has avoided retweeting" thought the third monk to himself.
Atheism+ happened because someone found a way to offer New Atheists the feeling of smugly correcting others they crave AND the righteous indignation formerly reserved for their opponents.
Most(?) only cared about being correct in so far as it offered opportunity for correction.
There's no conspiracy to make up new terminology and grievances, it's an emergent process that comes out of pharisees needing their dopamine fix.
@ESYudkowsky I am intensely interested in hearing more about your god.
@ClickingSeason x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@deepfates Wait I assumed you meant a hypothetical book, not a real book I can't get my hands on. Is that right or?
"We can invert these assumptions to find places where value is there to be had. Irrational markets with poor or uneven information distribution or money cleanly separated from the people who know how to use it are where opportunity is." x.com/alth0u/status/โฆ
Buried the lede, here it is. x.com/robinhanson/stโฆ https://t.co/qo2EOeVGA2
@robinhanson Previously on Overcoming Bias: overcomingbias.com/2007/07/bloggiโฆ
@robinhanson A lot of this is caused by logistics, backreading is hard. e.g. My alchemy essay involved 'backreading' summaries of philosophies dating back to Roman immortality cults. Even in good faith, eventually you look up from your books and think "Hm, yes, the world is still burning."
@robinhanson As a reminder, at the time you wrote that post I was 11 years old.
Love that follows are one click and unfollows are two clicks with a warning modal.
Last time I had a moment like this I felt deep bitterness that everyone was distracted from the big picture around technology timelines/X-Risk/etc.
I'm still not sure what to do about that. x.com/alexisohanian/โฆ
Every time I've thought I was about to die my biggest regret was not being more efficient.
@chaosprime The right door is aligned by (among other things) social expectations, the left door isn't. So naturally I'll take the right door.
@chaosprime Good job Satan, you got 'em.
@eevee You can't fool me cartoon fox lady, I only resort to natural remedies like having my body ravaged by hostile clotting parasites and drinking longevity potions made of jade and mercury.
Been tempted to do a podcast series about the history of hacking (in both phreaking and open source sense), would anyone be interested? x.com/PrinceVogel/stโฆ
Normal peoples dreams: I was 5 again and playing in the park.
My dreams: youtube.com/watch?v=pjCAF6โฆ
Bitcoin is like gopher. x.com/vanchau/statusโฆ
@John__Wakefield https://t.co/PeBI9RS52f
@anonymiserly Trying to explain experiences, compressing things into more and more insightful (i.e. predictive, form of compression) explanations until new inferences and frames emerge.
@anonymiserly For example, John Boyd discovered the OODA loop by trying to explain the kill-death ratio of American fighter pilots during the Korean War. His E-M plane performance model explained most of it, but he found there was still a factor left over. Examining that led to OODA.
@anonymiserly Clair Patterson realized that leaded gasoline was poisoning the world when he tried to measure the age of the earth and found his work environment so contaminated with ambient lead he had to create the first clean room to get a accurate reading.
mentalfloss.com/article/94569/โฆ
@anonymiserly He spent whole days scrubbing trying to get rid of the lead, until eventually he'd cleaned every surface multiple times and left no stone unturned. He realized there was only one object in the room he hadn't turned his attention to: himself.
@anonymiserly "Noticing confusion" is an essential mental motion, the realization that your current theories do not entirely explain your observations. Both Boyd and Patterson noticed they were confused and didn't let it go for years until they found the answers.
@anonymiserly Feel like the people actually trying to answer are all describing different aspects of one or a couple processes, and Twitter just forces them to focus on which one is salient.
@simondlr @vgr I'm a seller and I checked to make sure I'm not doing this. Suspect the ignorance is actually both ways for a lot of people using a platform from sloppy developers.
@simondlr @vgr Like the assumption seems to be that people write their own tooling to mint NFTs, and I think we're actually probably beyond that for most market participants.
@SoCalledRabbi @visakanv @eigenrobot The conceptual tools to understand the Bayesian-Information Theoretic epistemology expounded by EY in The Sequences weren't even really invented yet when Korzybski was writing.
@ThatsMauvelous "A super-achiever is somebody thatโs never satisfied."
gwern.net/on-really-tryiโฆ
Baizuo went from academic cant to dominant fiction analysis framework to workplace code of conduct to political ideology to world religion.
Everyone focuses on the first and last, misses the steps in the center.
You don't build a world religion on bespoke specialist effort, you need to leverage a social engine with effectively limitless energy going into it to get adaptive norms and memes.
Before anyone paid it any mind, this stuff lived deep in the cringe mines on mid 2000's LiveJournal. Fandom was considered worthless mindshare territory except to authors and pop media people. In reality without fandom the academic cant would have never become a gospel.
You had these academics coming into fandom spaces and kicking everyone's butts in discourse with their hypertrophied ability to argue the nuances of whether a trope is good storytelling or not.
That social engine did the rest, they literally couldn't have done it themselves.
A corollary of this is that you can't do agent foundations style alignment on memeplexes. The best you can shoot for is prosaic alignment. Because the actual construction of the adaptive memeset is not controllable or entirely predictable.
@nosilverv IIRC according to Taylor Gatto modern school was explicitly designed to suppress great men. The entire post WW2 social order can be thought of as a giant carnival to mitigate X-Risk by making sure the next Lenin or Hitler is busy munching cotton candy instead of self actualizing.
@nosilverv This worked for the 20th century, but in the 21st it will have to be dismantled to give us any chance against the new threats. Which will run right up against the increasingly distorted institutions and memes designed to suppress fascism.
@nosilverv No sorry, this is from when I was a teenager browsing hacker news. I remember reading a specific book that was cited but didn't get far in enough to find it talking about this. https://t.co/H66MWANJAV
@nosilverv Or at least, this author was cited and I found a book by him.
@nosilverv Recent HN comment about the subject: news.ycombinator.com/item?id=220683โฆ
@DesidErratum @bowserbot2 It is precisely because people know it won't that the behavior happens.
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@bowserbot2 If you become a hyperrationalist you get the benefit of never being cool.
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@JoeClibbens @bowserbot2 @postpostpostr Repent, sinners!
readthesequences.com
@JoeClibbens @bowserbot2 @postpostpostr When you finish them don't forget: slatestarcodexabridged.com
@bowserbot2 @JoeClibbens @postpostpostr https://t.co/9brCWe12IX
@bowserbot2 x.com/tawareniel/staโฆ
Most NFTs are about letting the world be your gallery. They're thoroughly postmodern in that basically nobody is buying IP rights or restricting distribution. NFTs could confer IP rights, but currently don't. x.com/BenGSchout/staโฆ
Liberalism is a pact to stop being philosophically consistent in exchange for social harmony.
Serious shit starts once the new consistent epistemologies have percolated through a larger share of the population.
@matildepark_ @eigenrobot I've been trying to tell people for a while that if the only thing that can save your society is transcendent radical conjecture and you're committed to materialism then the only thing you're really left with is something like More/Yudkowsky/et al's Extropy.
@matildepark_ @eigenrobot It's funny because Yudkowsky thought people needed his rationality, I think they needed his religion a whole lot more (which the rationality is incidental to).
Of course, would anyone have taken him seriously if he'd tried? Doubt it.
the daily american lifestyle broken down by time use
Family - 2 hours
Hobbies - 1 hour
Sleep - 8 hours
Malthusian Social Games - 10 hours
Chores - 3 hours
someone who is good at the sociology please help me budget this. my civilization is dying
@visakanv $20, full copyright assignment (we're AI artists)
Our gallery: chainbreakers.kath.io
"One good book opens another."
- Alchemist motto x.com/ftmensch/statuโฆ
@politicalmath That was in fact what the original Milgram experiment claimed to prove.
Handlebar/Walrus/Bushy/Anchor Mustache (VQGAN + CLIP) @CurzisMoustache https://t.co/VG889KoBGr
@turrible_tao It's a costly signal that people will cooperate with them to award points for simultaneously denying the accusation and owning it. i.e. That they're so high status logic doesn't apply to them.
The Pharisees invented Christ by making themselves an enemy of everyone who had ever sinned.
Many people fail to understand that something being bad doesn't mean radically restructuring yourself to minimize it makes you good.
@deepfates x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@ESYudkowsky youtube.com/watch?v=WEAE_4โฆ
> It's a little bit of magic to end the world,
> But I thought you knew me, truly
Maybe we'll all be spending a lot of time disappearing and coming back in the future.
@ESYudkowsky Still impressed Tally Hall accidentally managed to capture the malaised apocalyptic mania of the presingularity. Simultaneously feeling like you're on top of the world and about to be eaten by an eldritch horror.
youtube.com/watch?v=At8ao5โฆ
@JoeClibbens @matildepark_ @eigenrobot The horny rebellion started when an unassuming official of the Eagle Kingdom realized that the penalty for both starting and not starting a sex cult was ridicule.
@deepfates "He . . . woke up with a plot twist in mind โ โthe unusual solution, the strange plot twist.โ He set his alarm to go off every hour and a half. โDuring the next seven years I awakened myself about three hundred nights a year four times a night.โ"
buttondown.email/finnbrunton/arโฆ
@onetaste108 @RiversHaveWings "The circle is now complete, when I left you I was but the learner; now I am the Master."
"Only a Master of artifacts, Wings! *GPU fan vwoosh*"
@Alephwyr It's an excuse for teachers to do abuse stuff to you. Source: Was on the receiving end of such.
If the logical conclusions of your beliefs are bad things, that's a code smell. Reacting to it by bifurcating your 'beliefs' and your morals is like patching the case where 2 + 2 = 5 to be 4 instead of fixing the arithmetic routines.
@interpretantion youtube.com/watch?v=W5n1pZโฆ
Supposedly the row is based on musical set theory. This is old stuff.
The Virgin "It just keeps tumbling down" vs. The Chad "Why don't we keep it coming back"
@TeddyRaccovelt Right about what?
_believing science intensifies_ https://t.co/md0Qlfqhqr
@liminal_warmth Really wish we could save moments like that and replay them later. Not like a video, but save and replay the experience itself.
If anyone else noticed the 1960's and the 2010's/20's have the same vibe to them but couldn't put their finger on why.
It's because they're both presingularity periods culturally: slatestarcodexabridged.com/1960-The-Year-โฆ
Similar fears around automation in the 60's, etc.
Hall points out in Where Is My Flying Car that 'the singularity' has been an ongoing phenomena since the first industrial revolution. He has a graph he calls the Henry Adam's Curve where the amount of energy available to society grows at an average rate of 7-8% a year until 1970.
The great stagnation makes it harder to see the similarity, because it's assumed that 1930's futurism never made sense conceptually. But the truth is that naive extrapolation from the last 200 years of trends and contemporary engineering made flying cars plausible.
Good documentary with that 60's technoscience vibe to it: youtube.com/watch?v=X-gVTMโฆ
And, it should be noted, they are possible. A flying car is just a roadable autogyro. https://t.co/9VXLPNWfV3
@goblinodds Would be interesting to make a social network that accepts this is how ideas are made and then tries to generate useful philosophy/intellectual work from it adversarially.
@nosilverv https://t.co/BXnjibwR9j
Update on potential damage caused by COVID spike proteins in vaccine formulations: blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archiโฆ
tl;dr: The situation is a bit different so the vaccine is less likely to harm you than COVID.
@willlowthewhisp My blog
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@jessi_cata x.com/sdw/status/138โฆ
My personal read is that the shitcoin era is about to end. $FEI ICO fiasco shows that the complexity of scamcoin needed to attract interest has reached unsustainable levels while fundamental coin technology has matured. Ppl will converge on a handful of platforms and it's over. x.com/NotJeff_/statuโฆ
Dumb crap like dogecoin will accelerate the regulatory environment that will make new ICO's much tougher. Existing players like Ethereum and Tezos already got harassed by the SEC, soon they'll have the legitimacy to more or less go after anyone doing shitcoin stuff.
Korean War 2 with World War Characteristics
History is anti-inductive and responds to your attempts to predict it. x.com/willwjack/statโฆ
@wolftivy x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@wolftivy You just made me realize the confusion exists on the consumer end too.
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
"Light Sparks had once read an article about how lots of people thought they wanted to run coffee shops. ... They thought that running a business was permanently being a customer."
This is how I feel about most trauma + X-Risk strategy discourse. https://t.co/UKeJETHZvN
"The person that solves AI risk will be a magickal unschooled untraumatized fae moonchild" feels like extreme copium, the sort of thing you say and think when you don't have an angle of attack on the thing besides "get stronger".
And even if you met your savior you might not like him, recall that Neumann's advice after inventing the atomic bomb was to immediately start WW3, conquer Russia, and rule the world in a Pax Americana.
@mechanical_monk https://t.co/9ViPdpOKGe
Wonder how much of the rat/postrat thing just boils down to Extropians vs. Buddhists.
And then the Buddhists are arguing about Theravada vs. Tantra.
@YosarianTwo David Pearce seems like an obvious example.
hedweb.com
@flybottlemist @embryosophy I mean it really depends on which branch of right wing authoritarianism(?) you're concerned with. I know that whenever I hear someone talking about 'fascists' I usually write them off as either uneducated or overeducated in the wrong ways.
@flybottlemist @embryosophy I usually associate casual use of the word with this kind of subtextual social darwinism. The sort of person who believes most should be tormented or mind controlled for being born mediocre.
(Not for inability to do scrupulous purity, the misanthropy I associate with leftists)
@flybottlemist @embryosophy Mussolini's fascism is a thin parody of 'trad' over rightauth syndicalism. Gives it that vibe of "left wing tactics for right wing goals". But the people we call fascists now aren't that, they don't believe the masses have a real place in the superorganism they want to build.
@HiFromMichaelV Sure but I'm talking about the 'moonchild' part more specifically. This idea that if you become untraumatized enough you turn into Jon von Neumann, and then become the AI risk messiah. https://t.co/hQCsr8b2lc
@HiFromMichaelV I was trying to not @ them but this thread is what I was annoyed with: x.com/InquilineKea/sโฆ
@HiFromMichaelV Many people with model that you're a Neumann level(?) prodigy until it's beaten out of you. That if it wasn't for modernity people would mostly be agentic. I think it's more like people aren't by default, and are damaged in ways that make it even less likely they ever will be.
@HiFromMichaelV But the damage is actually a lot less important than the act of not-nurturing. That is, training life strategies that just explore for N steps until a niche is found and then try to exploit it until lifespan runs out (i.e. default mammal strategy found in rodents).
@HiFromMichaelV One conjecture I worry about is the idea that maybe mammals are really just meant to learn a life strategy once during adolescence and then a lot of trauma and mental decay is that strategy becoming less and less relevant in an environment where stuff changes a lot.
@HiFromMichaelV I'm not sure my fundamental life strategy has changed very much since adolescence, say when I read LW, Paul Graham, Hacker News, MIT Hacker history/et al around age 14. Most development since then seems like fine tuning that meta strategy rather than totally new stuff.
@HiFromMichaelV Yeah, it's obviously not impossible to do a radical skill shift, which probably implies a radical life strategy shift. I just found it very suspicious listening to a lecture about what function adolescence serves in rodents and realizing most humans do the same thing.
@paulg There is a word for this - epicycles.
@eigenrobot Story about a society which did just that: 250bpm.com/blog:113/
@dakooata "Desire everything" vs. "Desire nothing".
But even that is simplifying.
web.archive.org/web/2013101514โฆ
@dakooata "Create until nothing is left to create
And the universe bursts with an overworked sigh
And pretend to, pretend to recrown the creation
And sing the same thing 'til the clouds start to cry
And then over and over and over again
And then over and over and never again"
@dakooata Well, unless we can find a way to break the laws of thermodynamics anyway.
youtube.com/watch?v=DehRu-โฆ
@eigenrobot https://t.co/Jsy2W6RU5B
Ultimately stems from failure to consider warrant, only necessity. Still thinking in pre-Godelian-Turing hypothesis space. Cynical interpretation is this is a deliberate gambit to produce hypercompetent philosophers from the % that survive exposure to pathological input space. x.com/nosilverv/statโฆ
See also: x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
Similar gambit to the self reifying bad life advice to be more Chad: x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
"I don't get it."
In a community where everyone does this it quickly becomes apparent whose souls are robust and dominant, and whose souls become submissive noise in a state of radical openness to adversarial hypothesis space.
@Meaningness @Malcolm_Ocean @michael_nielsen @emmaconcepts @stubborncurias @nicknaraghi > use numerology as a stock example of thought gone hopelessly wrong, and they are right to do so; still, they cannot tell you what it is that is wrong with it.
As the number of variables in an analysis approaches infinity the chance of a spurious correlation approaches one.
@Meaningness @Malcolm_Ocean @michael_nielsen @emmaconcepts @stubborncurias @nicknaraghi Even this is too weak a statement, you don't need to get anywhere near infinity before you are very close to one. Perhaps you get exponentially closer to one with each variable added, would be fun to attempt to study.
@Meaningness @Malcolm_Ocean @michael_nielsen @emmaconcepts @stubborncurias @nicknaraghi "They're the same picture." https://t.co/Vr3CDyAgaS
@Meaningness @Malcolm_Ocean @michael_nielsen @emmaconcepts @stubborncurias @nicknaraghi "15 Three is a real object all right: you are not thinking of nothing when you think of three."
This one is actually answering much of the essays question, if you think about it with an open mind.
@Meaningness @Malcolm_Ocean @michael_nielsen @emmaconcepts @stubborncurias @nicknaraghi When a search space is pathological (as proof-space is) then the strongest kind of proof becomes existence proofs. You believe X or Y conjecture is provable because some comparable Z suggests it. Hypothesis must be traced to some kind of credible experience before consideration.
So the thing is, millenials are broken in a similar way. They think if something reaches them as viral news (e.g. Kony 2012) it's trustworthy, when actually viral news is malign and skepticism is necessary.
slatestarcodex.com/2014/12/17/theโฆ
And then they get mad if you express skepticism x.com/eevee/status/1โฆ
@seconds_0 I don't come into threads like this to defend crypto because it seems pointless. Best way to refute this stuff is to build more applications. I'm probably not alone, and that biases the kind of people you're interacting with.
Besides I'm not 100% ready to shill @stamp_tz yet.
@eigenrobot @slatestarcodex I was actually considering writing a post about where postrat came from, and then inhibited again by how much I really don't want to.
But if I don't, nobody else is going to huh?
@eigenrobot @slatestarcodex Most of the reluctance is because it would produce prodigious amounts of beef if written in a way that reflected how I really feel about the subject.
@michaelcurzi @eigenrobot @slatestarcodex And that is precisely why I will ultimately end up having to write it, yes.
@michaelcurzi @eigenrobot @slatestarcodex One spoiler is that I think SSC had a huge influence which isn't acknowledged nearly enough. If you binge the best SSC essays back to back (as I did to correct their typos and format them) you realize a lot of SSC is this slow deconstruction of 'rationality' in the EY sense.
@michaelcurzi @eigenrobot @slatestarcodex Another spoiler is I think there's a motte and bailey going on where you have 'postrat is about the stuff Chapman talks about' discourse that is fake and then this weirder discourse where postrat is a bohemian hideout for ex-LWers of various flavors, which feels more accurate.
@michaelcurzi @eigenrobot @slatestarcodex This can be split into several camps. There's the QC thing which, I frankly feel like a lot of (but not QC himself) is people coming into LW with Dawkins new atheist memes, pattern matching EY to them, getting talked out of Dawkins and then blaming EY.
x.com/QiaochuYuan/stโฆ
@michaelcurzi @eigenrobot @slatestarcodex Then there's like your (eigenrobot)'s thing which is basically grillpill with extra steps. https://t.co/nKMtADAltM
@eigenrobot @michaelcurzi @slatestarcodex Yeah the core group that was hanging out in chatrooms in 2015 and stuff is basically just background, I don't know enough about it yet to want to talk about it on Twitter. I'd have to ask around/research first.
@michaelcurzi @eigenrobot @slatestarcodex Then there's this Crowley mysticism thing where you LARP believing in magick but not like, Believing In Magick and you need to strike this tightrope balance between being hip without coming off like an actual maniac.
Kinda like Jack Parsons but less cool youtube.com/watch?v=XcOHiGโฆ
@michaelcurzi @eigenrobot @slatestarcodex Then, finally, you get to the actually serious philosophers who just have some kind of beef with rationality in the Extropian-Bayesian formulation. Some of this is Buddhists like @nosilverv, or monotheists(?) like @michaelcurzi. Lots of 'embodiment' and anti-induction discourse.
@michaelcurzi @eigenrobot @slatestarcodex @nosilverv In terms of explaining what this is or where it came from, that's kind of difficult because it's frankly a mess. So the easiest way to actually explain this would probably just be to get empirical-historical about exactly how these elements fit into adjacent subcultural currents.
@michaelcurzi @eigenrobot @slatestarcodex @nosilverv Also explaining the death of LW 1 and the overall epistemological crisis in the sciences (e.g. replication crisis) as well as sociopolitical events (e.g. rise of Donald Trump) that made the core thesii of LW "raise the sanity waterline" and "learn to win at everything" nonviable.
@michaelcurzi @eigenrobot @slatestarcodex @nosilverv If I had to compress it into a tweet postrat is the wreckage of the LW social network after people realized most useful domains are anti-inductive (i.e. not natural philosophy shaped in study) and science is broken, so you may as well get high on copium while the world burns.
@michaelcurzi @eigenrobot @slatestarcodex @nosilverv P.S. I refuse to do this.
@eigenrobot @michaelcurzi @slatestarcodex @nosilverv I aged ten years too. https://t.co/FK51eE3O2Y
@eigenrobot @michaelcurzi @slatestarcodex @nosilverv Sometimes I think back to before I learned about any of this stuff, or anything adjacent to it. When I was 9 playing Pokemon on gameboy. It's weird to think how little idea I had what my future would look like, even when I tried to imagine it.
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
Stage 0
@eigenrobot @michaelcurzi @slatestarcodex @nosilverv https://t.co/tUB8dKA0Ik
@eigenrobot @michaelcurzi @slatestarcodex @nosilverv I think the thing they're talking about is different.
youtube.com/watch?v=99QVgcโฆ
I listened to stuff like this when I was 12 on the backyard swingset, and I'd imagine memories from 5th grade that felt very distant. They feel just as distant now, but that was personal, not cosmic.
Read through this thread and its replies. It is a perfect demonstration of two things:
1. How little respect you should have for most peoples opinion on most things.
2. What it's like to be thoroughly ignorant such that others can manipulate you.
x.com/jam_etc/statusโฆ
Like if your only cues for believing people are tone, shibboleths, etc, this person sounds totally sincere and convincing. But everything they're saying is false lol.
In case I have followers who don't know why: Proof of Work requires reversing a hash which is expensive. Proof of Stake doesn't, and the operations necessary for it to work aren't expensive. Most expensive part is having people organize (i.e. humans and hardware) to sign blocks.
This is why operations on proof of stake chains have lower fees, you don't need to pay the people who sign the blocks as much if they don't also need to burn a bunch of energy on their GPU to do it.
'Decryption' is generally a cheap operation in most encryption schemes. Your browser does it all the time just to load a secure web page. If it used bitcoin levels of energy we'd have roasted the planet by now.
@AClockwork_Crow IDK it's intuitive to me, hard to explain to people who don't get it.
@eigenrobot @hexagr The light of the eyes is as a comet
And Yud's activity is as lightning
The sword that kills the man
Is the sword that saves the man
Notable that this tweet is essentially trying to punish me for discouraging antisocial behavior. "The antidote to bad speech is more speech" doesn't work if you literally go out of your way to try and stop consequences from happening to people who deserve them. x.com/eigenrobot/staโฆ
Resurrection of The Dead via Multiverse-Wide Acausual Cooperation A/B (2048x2048, VQGAN + CLIP)
hicetnunc.xyz/objkt/79186
hicetnunc.xyz/objkt/81152 https://t.co/EEHjLIoZxC
Revolution of the Souls, (VQGAN + CLIP 2560x1920)
hicetnunc.xyz/objkt/84281
#hicetnunc2000 #NFT #nftart #tezosart https://t.co/gzQwACep2U
"There are two ways to slide easily through life: Namely, to believe everything, or to doubt everything; both ways save us from thinking."
- Alfred Korzybski
Romanticism and nihilism are popular because they let you avoid modeling the world in sufficient detail to be a realist.
It isn't actually about the hedonic tone, if it were then nihilism and dramatic pessimism wouldn't have so many adherents. However, expecting things to always be bad does stop you from being surprised by bad news.
First Day Of The Monsters, (VQGAN + CLIP 2560x1920)
hicetnunc.xyz/objkt/84613
#hicetnunc2000 #NFT #nftart #tezosart https://t.co/aDFNtIF0g5
@LisaIRMcNulty @joe_r_Odonnell @GeniesLoki Multiple useful definitions of 'rationality' in the Yudkowsky sense. One anti-definition is that it aspires to the opposite of being a scrub: sirlin.net/ptw-book/introโฆ
@LisaIRMcNulty @joe_r_Odonnell @GeniesLoki This seems unrealistic though. More realistic is it's the operationalization of Moreian Extropy taken to its conclusions:
web.archive.org/web/2013101514โฆ
'Rationality' is to Singularitan-Extropy as meditation is to Buddhism.
sl4.org/shocklevels.htโฆ
@LisaIRMcNulty @joe_r_Odonnell @GeniesLoki Descriptive definition would be that it's a Bayesian-Information theoretic epistemology (e.g. slatestarcodexabridged.com/Book-Review-Suโฆ). Probably as good as you can get without digging deeper into neurology and doing more empirical work nobody actually wants to do because they're lazy.
@LisaIRMcNulty @joe_r_Odonnell @GeniesLoki Anthropological definition would be that it's the group of people that came out of reading readthesequences.com and organizing as a kind of online book club on lesswrong.com, and then the various sub-movements and splinter movements that branched off from that.
@LisaIRMcNulty @joe_r_Odonnell @GeniesLoki Historical definition might be that it's the outcome of 90's transhumanist movements distilling down into a kind of behavioral econ, cognitive science, artificial intelligence based self help movement for people who want to affect the singularity.
Me providing several definitions of 'rationality' for the latest poor person to ask. x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@LisaIRMcNulty @joe_r_Odonnell @GeniesLoki A use based definition would be that 'rationality' is a philosophical toolkit developed by Eliezer Yudkowsky (and a long list of predecessors providing component concepts) for thinking about problems related to safely developing beyond human level artificial intelligence.
@LisaIRMcNulty @joe_r_Odonnell @GeniesLoki Sometimes people get punked by this and end up in your office trying to overcome their scrupulosity around the implications of this. As they're wrestling a force of natural philosophy, this rarely ends well. This is called 'postrationality'. https://t.co/pdZE9vyWgq
@LisaIRMcNulty @joe_r_Odonnell @GeniesLoki The cynical definition would be that rationality is a terminal disease of the mind. Acquired by seeing too much of the structure of reality at once, pulling a mind deeper until it breaks (a state known as postrationality).
Rationalists are people who lasted longer than others.
@LisaIRMcNulty @joe_r_Odonnell @GeniesLoki Usually to no credit of their own mind you, mostly by being too inept to notice how deep the hole they're in actually is.
@LisaIRMcNulty @joe_r_Odonnell @GeniesLoki You also probably want slatestarcodexabridged.com
The Virgin plagiarist vs. the Chad citation machine x.com/aphercotropistโฆ
There are still dualists who expect to go somewhere when they die. People who know the scale of the universe, know humans evolved from simpler forms of life; but look up at the night sky and think "I'm the center of creation, God has set aside a special place for me."
"Do dogs go to heaven?" is one of the smartest metaphysics questions kids ask.
In case it's unclear the solution is to stop letting them issue nondischargeable debts, not legalize slavery.
Giving providers of US college loans an unconstitutional exemption from our slavery prohibitions creates an odd power imbalance. In a 'fair' market these people might be bought for more productive purposes. But monopoly gives them no incentive to be anything other than parasitic.
Chemistry Lab (StyleGAN2 + CLIP, 2048x2048)
hicetnunc.xyz/objkt/95934
#hicetnunc2000 #nft #tezosnft https://t.co/kbjFgEKuel
Blur of Combat (StyleGAN2 + CLIP, 2048x2048)
hicetnunc.xyz/objkt/95722
#hicetnunc2000 #nft #tezosnft https://t.co/2ikj4drE3h
@DRMacIver Uncoupling between scientifically informed cosmology and the pop-junk most people believe. e.g. Only a minority understands the implications of space exploration, let alone nanobiotech or AI.
Long decline over the 20th century of industrial realism in favor of disassociation.
@DRMacIver Consider the trajectory both fantasy and science fiction underwent during the 20th/21st century:
Philology -> Tolkien -> Dungeons & Dragons -> Queer dungeons and dragons/glowfic/etc
Industrial/Science books for children -> Heinlein -> Star Trek -> Queer Space Opera/glowfic/etc
@DRMacIver If not that, the invention of nukes. J. Storr Hall blames them directly for the decline of Western civilization, arguing they removed the incentive to have a dynamic culture with strong military capabilities. Great degeneration is tolerable so long as the nukes stay intact.
@visakanv @sonyasupposedly I can't tell if this is meant to be self aware parody or not.
x.com/postpostpostr/โฆ https://t.co/Rz0FUo3BbS
@PrinceVogel youtube.com/watch?v=I8sUC-โฆ
Juno was mad, he knew he'd been had so he shot at the sun with a gun~
Why Does That Sound Familiar - Gimme That: The Sequences to Bloch https://t.co/9XcAGPtOGb
@pee_zombie @deepfates @PrinceVogel
@deepfates @pee_zombie @PrinceVogel greaterwrong.com/posts/hmai5Lruโฆ
@pee_zombie @deepfates @PrinceVogel I guess technically Science and Sanity really should be The Manhood Of Humanity.
@pee_zombie @deepfates @PrinceVogel Since that's the book where Korzybski discusses a precursor to the singularity thesis.
korzybskifiles.blogspot.com/2014/09/chapteโฆ
@pee_zombie @deepfates @PrinceVogel And is a much easier read than Science and Sanity, but theoretically the important aspects should also be discussed in S&S.
gutenberg.org/files/25457/25โฆ
@CountJ0ecool @forshaper @acidshill You mean living in modernity?
@CountJ0ecool @forshaper @acidshill x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
We Don't Want This Expedition - H.G. Wells https://t.co/ke3LtvJSXI
x.com/eevee/status/1โฆ https://t.co/lTOr8b4NU2
"Isn't that the current art market?"
No, the bigcos are currently arthritic enough to humbly allow you to get a commission sometimes.
This is a free speech issue. The hardware to produce the neural net that can make this image *also* costs under 10k. The data to produce the neural net only requires 80k items. BigCo can't control this unless they trick you into exempting AI art from fair use.
The hardware to make this image in 5 minutes costs under $10,000. 12 an hour every hour is 288 images a day 8640 a month 103680 a year per GPU slot. 100 slots can create the same OOM output as the entire archives of FurAffinity. If BigCos can do that and you can't they own you. https://t.co/6Wms3rOuLH
And if they succeed, it will go away, for a little while. Then in a year or two, five, they'll be back with their own nets trained on their own private IP and it will be you that they make go away. They will be able to post art faster than anyone else and take most commissions.
If you're an artist they are going to prey on your sense of indignation to get you to hand them the keys to the kingdom. At a moment of weakness for you when this stuff looks threatening as hell and maybe even bites into your income, they will promise to make it go away.
If that sounds farfetched, this is what these techniques could do in January.
The CLIP used to produce these is tiny compared to what it is possible to train, people just haven't gotten around to training a bigger one yet. There's lots of room for improvement here. https://t.co/Jgsj63nUxu
And once they make you go away, they will have a stranglehold on culture even stronger than the social media companies. Because where social media companies can only nudge you into paying attention to certain things, these companies control the proportion of what ideas exist.
@nat_sharpe_ IMPUTE THE ANCESTORS
IMPUTE THE ANCESTORS
IMPUTE THE ANCESTORS
IMPUTE THE ANCESTORS
@sysid_ACE @GlitchesRoux Using umbrellas as bullet points next to your vague criticisms doesn't make them true:
creativecommons.org/2021/03/04/shoโฆ
uspto.gov/sites/default/โฆ
uspto.gov/sites/default/โฆ
FOOM mental gymnastics vs. "Age Of Em" mental gymnastics https://t.co/7CkT4CaDlP
Enlightenment is when you come across a new obnoxious postrat and instead of telling them they're obnoxious you just block them.
Like seriously how many people can sustain a following on the "you are more than just a mind you're a body" tautology grift anyway?
This is strong support for my thesis that the future shock levels are in fact cumulative/prerequisite-ish to understand what is being discussed. x.com/liminal_warmthโฆ
Being aesthetically sensitive is what noticing lie contagion feels like from the inside.
@ESYudkowsky Thanks for the RT! Anyone interested in seeing more of my content can find it on my timeline:
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@ESYudkowsky x.com/dril_gpt2/statโฆ
The application to the Stock Market 'failing to predict' COVID is left as an exercise for the reader.
Kind Of Guy who hurts others because they have 24/7 ambush predator mindset and intuitively treat all their engagements with others as situations that only have life/death outcomes. If an ambush predator mispredicts the result of an attack it dies. x.com/captain_mrs/stโฆ
@ireneista The keyboard itself would be a nice addition to:
openstenoproject.org/plover/
Right now you modify an existing keyboard for it.
@eigenrobot @chaosprime x.com/QiaochuYuan/stโฆ
@QiaochuYuan Not gonna lie, I'm a bit worried about things. https://t.co/wteEkvee29
There's an esoteric interpretation of COVID-19 as sparsely coordinated months-long general and rent strike that makes more sense than the standard narrative. The state acquiescing to the publics demands even as landlords become unable to pay their landlords. Acausal revolution. x.com/robinhanson/stโฆ
@Dan_Canoeth @QiaochuYuan CLIP, Bosch
@parafactual You can cringe all you like, you'll still wind up a pile of paperclips in the end.
@QiaochuYuan The thing about this is that 3rd world people would have the same reaction to these people claiming to have 'problems'. I have no doubt your problems are real even if they're theoretically lower stakes.
@alicemazzy @QiaochuYuan I think the most toxic part is the bit where it's goodharted legible normie cause areas like bednets instead of things that might actually help like gene driving mosquitos out of existence.
@alicemazzy @QiaochuYuan Or how somebody invented a malaria vaccine and EA had approximately nothing to do with it. The malaise you feel about EA has a lot to do with it not even being the thing it advertises itself as.
@visakanv https://t.co/JE34orOkrY
@shadowcat_mst Export your account and search the .json of the conversations or whatever
Best non-conspiratorial take on UFO stuff I've seen so far. x.com/jimrandomh/staโฆ
@deepfates I did not. I've been actively avoiding this subject.
UFAI has convergent incentives to torture you for weak retrocausal influence regardless of values. This is because if you're an alignment-adjacent thinker and get distracted by something that makes alignment less likely to happen. Most of outcome space is plausibly hell realms. t.co/VfoEFVY7cV
Important to weed out the weak early so nobody makes the mistake of relying on them to do something when things actually get tough.
Fascinating high point in a fascinating thread. x.com/crabcrawler1/sโฆ
@ThatsMauvelous youtube.com/watch?v=JJmvMyโฆ
@NLRG_ One of those headscratcher "how has this person managed to avoid becoming rat adjacent" people.
@NLRG_ Possibly the most headscratcher, given the guy is basically the closest ratsphere antecedent.
Harm/Fairness morality and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. t.co/18ruQFRJmS
Right now feels like February 2020, when very few people were taking this thing called scaling seriously and few-shot prompting seemed unimaginable. x.com/sama/status/14โฆ
@parafactual The noise is unbearable.
s/public/exhibitionist/
Subtle corruption of the word 'public' makes the tweet accurate but x.com/GrimWeeper4/stโฆ
They don't see how it benefits them, and I don't blame them. Everyone seems to treat Space (TM) like a camping trip rather than a place we're eventually going to stash industries so they don't pollute our planet. Or a place we'll deliver huge abundance from in metals. x.com/jimrandomh/staโฆ
@EliSennesh @Meaningness @crossslide https://t.co/Qf6XNwzjF8
@EliSennesh @Meaningness @crossslide Mathematical foundations was the final gasp of the idea that unaltered, humanity could build a royal road to understanding the mind of god. Divorced enough from its religious connotations to pass as a secular project in mathematics.
Mathematical foundations was the final gasp of the idea that unaltered, humanity could build a royal road to understanding the mind of god. Divorced enough from its religious connotations to pass as a secular project in mathematics. x.com/Meaningness/stโฆ https://t.co/2kVCcqaHyy
@enkiv2 @bigblackjacobin x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@EliSennesh @Meaningness @crossslide Part of it? Of course not. I didn't say it was part of it, I said that Hilbert style foundations is the last gasp of the promise that the mind of god has a royal road to it.
@EliSennesh @Meaningness @crossslide The emotional pain is caused by losing the conjecture that there is an easy epistemology to understand everything.
@EliSennesh @Meaningness @crossslide That is reasonable, for what it's worth this is a gestalt impression connecting together disparate datapoints from my reading. It isn't based on a detailed understanding of the history and could easily be wrong. Unfortunately Twitter makes it hard to say that fluidly.
Epistemic Status: "This is a gestalt impression connecting together disparate datapoints from my reading. It isn't based on a detailed understanding of the history and could easily be wrong. Unfortunately Twitter makes it hard to say that fluidly."
@EliSennesh @Meaningness @crossslide Perhaps a better way to put it than 'easy', to get a little esoteric is the idea that all important human knowledge should be able to fit into one head. This idea that mathematics, physics, etc, should be extremely compressible so that one man can understand the universe.
@EliSennesh @Meaningness @crossslide Taxonomy and histories are deeply allergy inducing to a certain kind of mind because they don't compress well. Your knowledge doesn't go farther than what you've already seen, they are the most empirical disciplines. https://t.co/8peZbT2UTK
@EliSennesh @Meaningness @crossslide Losing the foundations and being stuck with paradox, for most of hypothesis space to be adversarial Godel-space with Gabriel's Horns and tainted paradoxes turns mathematics into this kind of minutia, a catalogue of astonishing facts no person could ever hope to totally master.
What I think was lost is the idea that all important human knowledge should be able to fit into one head. This idea that mathematics, physics, etc, should be extremely compressible so that one man can understand the universe.
Taxonomy and histories are deeply allergy inducing to a certain kind of mind because they don't compress well. Your knowledge doesn't go farther than what you've already seen, they are the most empirical disciplines. https://t.co/Zl0GGkZCCv
Losing the foundations and being stuck with paradox, for most of hypothesis space to be adversarial Godel-space with Gabriel's Horns and tainted paradoxes turns mathematics into this kind of minutia, a catalogue of astonishing facts no person could ever hope to totally master.
Perhaps even more basic than that it's the death of Kant's idea of apriori knowledge that is both empirical and rational. The idea that you can preclude the unknown-unknown, to prove there isn't another monster like non-Euclidean mathematics lying in wait for you, is gone.
@EliSennesh @Meaningness @crossslide Yes but you weren't promised it was all available to you, that you would have time and power to master everything.
@WeftOfSoul Lets go https://t.co/gAGRMcMlIf
Vintage "OK, boomer" spirit x.com/PeterBrownPhD/โฆ
I have once again broken the latest twitter fad app by using the site in an atypical way. https://t.co/4BG8Cl9SU2
@eigenrobot @zeitfugue Where to? Been thinking about this.
@BeyondTheCenter @deepfates No that's this hicetnunc.xyz/objkt/81152 https://t.co/U8rTSjpnPa
This is a good sample of what emotional abuse looks like. t.co/VnMy0Mn6LW
I am yet again reminding you that lies are contagious and neurotypical lie detection thresholds result in being wrong about approximately everything outside your immediate experience. x.com/Virtual1nstincโฆ
See also:
greaterwrong.com/posts/wyyfFfaRโฆ
@danielrussruss @deepfates I think this has literally already happened. StyleGAN outputs are probably better than the stuff impressing you. I don't think anyone looks at me or @RiversHaveWings twitter avatars and goes "oh cool, AI generated avi".
@Virtual1nstinct @jack_meditates Awwโค๏ธ
This is what causal decision theorists actually believe x.com/lisatomic5/staโฆ
@GurneyJourney @RiversHaveWings I personally enjoyed my "Carl Jung's Shadow in the style of Jackson Pollock" https://t.co/ez57RlnO5R
When someone is consistently stupid at the "$20 on the floor in grand central station" level, that implies powerful forces at work keeping them dumb or broken. If an otherwise functional person has 'obvious' problems, you can't fix them and trying is a waste of time.
Corollary: If the members of a culture are failing to live up to its founding premises even after long familiarity with them, or not making obvious inferences, you are literally talking to people selected on their inability to understand those premises.
I still think the solution to this problem is for us to take Pfizer and Moderna, arbitrarily label one the "Trump" vaccine and another the "Biden" vaccine and then watch vaccination rates quickly reach 85+% x.com/SamoBurja/statโฆ
Yes! And it's my favorite example of the basic problems with classical liberalism. x.com/cheascake/statโฆ
Most of our problems can be traced to low trust societies losing the ability to do cost-benefit decision making.
In the original story, the emperor steps into the courtyard naked to see who will laugh at him. He then has the people who didn't ignore his nakedness executed for obvious disloyalty. x.com/eigenrobot/staโฆ
Have you considered just not thinking about the problem?
@PrinceVogel Lining your bed with receipt paper as HRT
@EpistemicHope news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4510702 https://t.co/QWF4Y8IAkP
@Bearded_Stoic @eigenrobot soundcloud.com/user-557955426โฆ
@ESYudkowsky Markets have an anthropic bias, they only trade as though the world will not end. This means if an event would be fatal the market might rationally understand it in fine detail and spam filter it, until events become impossible to ignore.
Lets hope markets aren't efficient.
@ESYudkowsky But given when I tried telling a trader I knew about COVID they replied with "I'm not an idiot everyone on the trading floor has heard about this.", I'm fairly sure they are.
EMH is just a very fancy way of asking "If it's such a good idea why hasn't someone already done it?" x.com/ESYudkowsky/stโฆ
@GENIC0N Optimistic of you to think that it hasn't already.
@mechanical_monk What do you care?
The basilisk punished Roko by turning him into an incel. x.com/ExiledInfoHaz/โฆ
A Group Of Surgeons Wait To Cryonically Suspend A Patient
(CLIP guided diffusion) https://t.co/wahG1ZOeCG
@InquilineKea > (b/c they aren't limited from believing in good things)
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@TeddyRaccovelt Read what you just wrote again, slowly.
@pt This is why I think @hicetnunc2000 and similar are going to do well, they're accessible for collectors.
"illustration of woolly mammoths reclaiming the arctic, trending on artstation"
(CLIP Guided Diffusion [512x512 ImageNet]) https://t.co/W9dRrZRcXQ
"watercolor illustration of ww1 trench warfare firing a machine gun into no mans land, trending on artstation, full color HD"
(CLIP guided diffusion [512x512 ImageNet]) https://t.co/DuPts7hGTx
@deepfates https://t.co/pR4YeUE1C9
@deepfates Yeah, this quote is from the movie version: archive.org/details/THINGSโฆ
I'm not sure if the book has it.
Illustration of Studio Console Control Room NORAD [Monitoring, Broadcasting], Trending on ArtStation
(CLIP guided diffusion [ImageNet 512x512])
gallery.jdpressman.com https://t.co/wd8XYkWXtU
Minicomputers
(CLIP guided diffusion [ ImageNet 512x512])
hicetnunc.xyz/jdp/creations https://t.co/mqO8cYA5eV
@sirdurdur @RiversHaveWings They're upscaled with ESRGan, which can impute certain details to make the image crisper.
The originals for comparison: https://t.co/5R3mzldXjU
@sirdurdur @RiversHaveWings It isn't. But multiple prompts were used and I didn't want to squeeze them into the tweet. You can see the original prompts by looking at the HEN metadata.
"illustration of a detailed grinning psychedelic mandala pattern fractal cat"
(CLIP guided diffusion [ImageNet 512x512])
flickr.com/photos/1938660โฆ https://t.co/MkUTAK4bfh
@SandraBogerd @RiversHaveWings Another one of those things that's hard to include in the initial tweet but this was used as an image prompt:
So it's explicitly in the style of Louis Wain. https://t.co/t80AGcZpkh
@nosilverv Habits built up during an explore or exploit phase tend to translate poorly into the other chirality. Many such cases, many such mistakes.
Many peoples ennui comes down to the habits they build up during an exploit phase being exactly the opposite of the habits they need to have during an explore phase and vice versa.
It doesn't help that most "productivity advice" has an implicit assumption that you only have exploit phases, that to become your best self you just need to prune all exploration habits and focus yourself entirely on The Goal(s).
Advanced life players make a point of noticing when they have the serendipitous opportunity of exploring and exploiting in the same action.
@kishorelive @paulg The cost centers telling profit centers what to do and crashing the ship in the process.
@yeetAnotherTim A very boring example is a consultant with a sales pipeline going out of their way to pick the jobs with the most growth opportunity, or that let them try something new while getting paid.
@yeetAnotherTim A more abstract example is if you're stuck in school you can tune out. Or you can say "I'm stuck here, so I may as well pay close attention and see if I can relate this to something interesting", etc. Possible to learn more from a forced experience than you otherwise would.
@yeetAnotherTim Many lives just amount to a series of forced experiences, and some people manage to make a great life from them. https://t.co/kDWt0bCl8O
@TylerAlterman I suspect that the mentally strong will embrace something ardently materialist while those who can't orient to the dizzying pace of change will cling harder and harder to defiant forms of anti-thought.
They will believe because it is absurd, and everyone else will suffer for it.
@TylerAlterman My biggest contrarian insight on this subject is I think that the 21st century religion worth believing in will be 100% materialist, not a fusion of materialism and 'spirituality', but materialist all the way through while still providing radical conjecture and possibility.
@TylerAlterman I Fucking Love Science fails because it's not radical, it is banal support for the status quo.
@TylerAlterman Buddhism has potential because it is totally compatible with materialism once you excise the cryptids and weirdness (as its Western evangelists have already successfully done).
Modern Buddhism was invented for the benefit of Christian scholars.
enlight.lib.ntu.edu.tw/FULLTEXT/JR-MAโฆ
@The_WGD I suspect a lot of the 'white supremacy' talk is projection, they are eager and willing to believe in the genocidal ambitions of their opponents because they themselves feel strong genocidal impulses.
Which many of them express openly and get no censure for.
@The_WGD The entire thing exists in a weird superposition where they are simultaneously omnipotent and will easily genocide the inferior Appalachian people but also simultaneously omni-impotent and even the sneers of the underclass are an existential threat to them.
@The_WGD Yet somehow between both positions they never manage to imagine the more realistic possibility of a protracted conflict which will be much less fun to experience than fantasize about. They can imagine oppressed/oppressor dynamics from both sides, but not combat.
@The_WGD It's a left wing fallacy I've observed for years and never found a good explanation for, the idea that you get to make moves and use tactics but your opponent isn't allowed to respond. Not just in a social sense, but they are physically incapable of adapting to your moves.
@The_WGD Perhaps it's caused by an intuition that 'the right' is a set of institutions, and therefore glacially slow to adapt to changes in tactics. Maybe the figure of the 'white supremacist' is a bogeyman because they're a right wing opponent with a human face.
@Logo_Daedalus @apex_simmaps What will?
Ivermectin gets attention because it's the maximally controversial COVID-19 prophylactic/treatment. The fake studies vs. plausible effectiveness make it lots of fun to argue about.
slatestarcodexabridged.com/The-Toxoplasmaโฆ
Meanwhile a reminder that Vitamin D and fluvoxamine exist.
@apex_simmaps Something I noticed reading One World Or None, which Samo Burja has noticed as well, is the extent to which the book discussed the atomic bomb in terms of its material factors. Comparing it to existing bombs and their effects on warfare and civilization.
x.com/SamoBurja/statโฆ
@verena_rieser @katecrawford Other comments have already pointed out this figure is wrong, but even if it was right being allergic to energy use isn't productive. Carbon sinks are like any other finite resource and being allergic to using them helps nobody.
If you have control over what uses of energy are considered wasteful you have dictatorial power over all processes of production.
If you have control over what uses of inference are considered racist you have dictatorial power over all processes of thought. x.com/verena_rieser/โฆ
The vague allergies these people use as 'reason' are a feature, not a bug. It allows the deployment of vast numbers of useful idiots to suppress whatever forms of production and thought you don't like without having to actually show they're bad.
Economics is what you do to distribute resources when you're not a centralized superintelligence. x.com/GhostOfGord/stโฆ
@GhostOfGord I bow to your superior powers of observation.
After 9/11 the principal tried giving my kindergarten class a speech about national unity and I beaned him in the face with a potato pellet gun. x.com/ExileGrimm/staโฆ
@PrinceVogel Almost certainly an algorithm suggesting certain effects brought about as a result. x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
This stuff is not a coincidence or random.
It turns out if you tell CLIP to draw a "Symbolics 3600 Lisp Machine" you get these bizarre, alien computers instead.
Tezos NFTs: objkt.com/profile/tz1Ns9โฆ
Rejects: flickr.com/photos/1938660โฆ https://t.co/Kckr99izXw
@finnitejest @JGAMPHO This vignette suggests the 20th century was probably an anomalous era in how much it disempowered the average persons speech:
web.archive.org/web/2019082315โฆ
@micsolana x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@SwiftOnSecurity mentalfloss.com/article/94569/โฆ
@eigenrobot @codeclayman @Conaw @tszzl Very kind of you to offer yourself up as a person we can feel intense schadenfreude for when they lose.
@deepfates @NatoBeans I read it as part of research for wrestlinggnon.com/extropy/2020/0โฆ
It's a real trip.
@deepfates @NatoBeans Feel free to signal boost if you like it:
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@deepfates By the way John Lennon's son wrote a ballad about Jack Parsons.
youtube.com/watch?v=XcOHiGโฆ
I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by cope.
@KGFlippin @deepfates @NatoBeans I do in fact care, thanks. ๐
@sullyj3 Yes, but I don't remember who which is fine because I wouldn't signal boost them anyway.
Definitely encountered it in the wild though, vaguely remember the argument made by a far right person.
@yashkaf You're also starving better alternatives of your time and labor.
@KnownOrigin_io Promote overlooked possibilities https://t.co/N829DGxGsB
@Jonathan_Blow To me the most jarring thing is computer security. Nobody seems to be incensed that the attackers only have to get arbitrary code running as even the least privileged user on a system to slip malicious code into an unauditable jungle of hacks upon hacks.
@Alephwyr x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@suhailakhaled99 @KnownOrigin_io gallery.jdpressman.com
'Socialism' is upper class coded because extensive discussion of useless abstractions like 'the state' and 'capital' is a costly signal that you know nothing about material production.
It's very easy to criticize the ugly parts of a working system when you get to hide behind rainbows and puffery about how yours is going to work in practice.
@kynakwado @ristovskixyz @JakeAnbinder They did, but the computers were more expensive in comparison so people didn't mind.
@JakeAnbinder You can still buy them. pckeyboard.com/page/category/โฆ
And they're still worth every penny.
@CamdenMWebb @unixiaa_ The meme probably was computer generated.
@CamdenMWebb @unixiaa_ In any case I think my art has recognizable subjects, if you like AI art.
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
They're angry because NFTs and AI art represent a shift away from art produced by labor towards art produced by capital. CLIP based art methods are going to be the American AlphaGo, an upset to a treasured 'ineffable' past time that wakes people up to deeper possibilities. t.co/bbYaAESHi6
@DanDarkPill Being totally honest you were just the first person I've seen to succinctly explain the real underlying anxiety. 'They' is less a statement about you personally and more about the general NFT hysteria like this:
everestpipkin.medium.com/but-the-enviroโฆ
@DanDarkPill Which as far as it goes is an honest statement of antipathy to capitalism, but it's rare for people to get the AI + NFT story correct. JMurphy does here but doesn't go far enough:
otherlife.co/non-fungible-aโฆ
@DanDarkPill https://t.co/7pBVk6l9Vy
@KrisSiegel @pt Good NFTs use IPFS so this isn't possible.
"TELL ME THE PROTEIN FOLDS YOU AI PIECE OF SHIT!"
"Can you feel the stars burning? Can you feel the microbes fight on the surface of your skin? You're nothing in the cosmic schema, you cannot kill me in a way that matters."
"*cocking gun, crying* I'M NOT FUCKING SCARED OF YOU!" t.co/YzkskIMfbq
@ESYudkowsky We already had this discourse during 2020 actually with James Lindsay vs. woke math.
@ESYudkowsky x.com/realJ_Mitchellโฆ
@ESYudkowsky x.com/ConceptualJameโฆ
@Virtual1nstinct "Create until nothing is left to create and the universe bursts with an overworked sigh." https://t.co/q3ImqbtBMQ
@ESYudkowsky x.com/roguewpa/statuโฆ
@Outsideness While we're posting interesting portraits of Thiel found in unexpected places:
news.ycombinator.com/item?id=128851โฆ https://t.co/JGVmoLNSjS
@Outsideness https://t.co/1C2MlHtN3R
@Outsideness You had this picture in mind right?
I regret to inform you that no such photograph exists. There are several pictures almost like this, but none matching exactly what is described.
I suspect Wolfe did this on purpose as a final layer to depict Severian's Borgesian perspective. https://t.co/jhz10KJQLD
@BeezyManzell @ur_momma_so @default_friend @qorprate @Louise_m_perry @moveincircles @kaschuta @annakhachiyan What if I told you that the things you do impact other people by changing the incentive/price gradient in the local environment?
Training a 256x256 Louis Wain diffusion model right now. https://t.co/zE7WftQZHQ
Wain will soon have a biopic out about his life, played by Benedict Cumberbatch.
thewrap.com/the-electric-lโฆ
@kevinelliott @hicetnunc2000 1/1, 10 XTZ
objkt.link/246523
Louis Wain has a strange legacy as the central example of schizophrenia causing 'psychotic decline' in motor and professional skills. But its existence in schizophrenic patients is contested by scholars.
extropian.net/notice/A7lVQUKโฆ
@anarrres That is exactly what Wain himself believed. https://t.co/oS3eGlmzuU
@anarrres Source: thewrap.com/the-electric-lโฆ
@flynnpnw 1/1, 3 XTZ
objkt.link/268110
@sprayk_ @flynnpnw Thank you. ๐
@Arialstrasza @vikare06 @jbaa_kokuchi I actually laughed for a good 20-30 seconds, thank you.
@cryptoartnow 1/1, 10 XTZ
objkt.link/246496
@mattparlmer aeon.co/essays/left-anโฆ
[Verse 2]
Then, all the planets fell to dust
Lonely, departing after us
Gone, not forgotten
Long, but forgotten old lore
In every element of life
Love camouflaging under strife
Or other matters
Mind over matters, let there be more
youtube.com/watch?v=uQnz55โฆ
Diffusion is better now but BigGAN was the OG, gone but I haven't forgotten. โค๏ธ
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@HalfTangible @BDaveWalters https://t.co/sbMYax9Rso
I have a new post out: "100 Years Of Existential Risk". It's kind of like a cleaned up version of my podcast with @eigenrobot, but with much more detail. I trace the birth of existential risk during World War I and its development to the present.
wrestlinggnon.com/extropy/2021/0โฆ https://t.co/ztOeoigWIf
@mbateman You can tell someone they're smart without setting up a feedback/reward loop around it, which is usually the thing that causes Horror to emerge.
@mbateman I've known first hand many adults who as kids became so fragile about being praised for smartness that the moment school gets harder and they're no longer effortlessly pulling straight A's their life takes a downward spiral.
@mbateman I think the important thing is probably to have *balanced* praise of someones good qualities. If you solely praise for any single metric and that metric becomes compromised their entire self image will deteriorate over it. Hard work fails/stalls sometimes too, e.g. depression.
@LilahSturges youtube.com/watch?v=NbtsZJโฆ
@ricvolpe Might get a bit exhausting if you like a lot of tweets.
@fiddlemath I find the lack of pro-NFT essays disturbing.
@congralilso 1x NVIDIA A6000, requires 1-3 days to train
Would also fit into memory on a 3090
A couple V100's would also probably work
@PTetlock Could set one up like this:
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/dโฆ
@daily_barbarian They see money as a control signal rather than an account of wealth and value, so financial lies are normalized.
@flybottlemist Image/meme posts have a 10-25% click through rate when they're good.
Dynamism of An Intelligence Explosion Expanding From Earth Into The Surrounding Galaxy
(CLIP Guided Diffusion [512x512 ImageNet]) https://t.co/0KAj0NxmxJ
The Biden administration's all expense campaign to convince me that Trump was actually a good president is starting to work. x.com/GeorgeSelgin/sโฆ https://t.co/9AraAwrIuO
Who could love liberty when the only freedom they've ever known was failing to meet someone else's expectations?
@BlckCatBlckSky Too much individual freedom at the expense of communal self determination.
@BlckCatBlckSky "I just want to live on the same street as my friends in a place we have communal control over", yeah there's a reason you can't do that buddy.
@daveddennis @RiversHaveWings "What is real? How do you define 'real'? If you're talking about what you can feel, what you can smell, what you can taste and see, then 'real' is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain."
At some point the resources will become available to write biographies about genes rather than people.
@ESYudkowsky x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
Journalists don't hate you, you're just made of clicks and clout that they can use for their own purposes.
The most underrated impact of AI art is that people are going to be able to advocate for themselves in a multimedia discourse without the support of specialists. x.com/jasoncrawford/โฆ
"Corporations asking for an internal blockchain don't understand what a database is." only makes sense as a take until you realize that sufficiently large corporations might have a healthy paranoia about their internal record keeping for the same reason the Soviets would have...
The Soviet Union literally failed in no small part because it's much harder to fudge the production records when money is in use.
Well, obviously the Soviets had a currency. A better way to put this might be that when every actor in the system is self interested they demand proper accounting, when actors don't benefit from their own labor they can externalize their problems and failures to the state.
@ben_r_hoffman I found this on the ground account of making computers in the Soviet Union very telling about the Soviet system. Soviet record keeping also comes up directly, as only the highest levels of government had access to realistic estimates of the numbers.
sigcis.org/malinovsky_pioโฆ
@ben_r_hoffman x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@ben_r_hoffman x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@ben_r_hoffman Where you put the liability and torts matters a lot. e.g. Medical malpractice insurance seems perverse, the inability to win a defamation case also seems perverse. A great deal of the current problems with journalism and the like are a lack of defamation laws, dueling, etc.
@ben_r_hoffman It's a bit like Richard Stallman objecting in interviews to discussing 'intellectual property' as a class. There's trademarks, patents, and copyrights, and they all have very different considerations and tradeoffs.
@ben_r_hoffman An alternative frame is that the basic bias behind this and many other poor societal decisions is a consistent bias against accounting for the full costs of low level chronic conflicts.
@ben_r_hoffman Don't forget transaction costs, America suffers much more from slow judicial proceedings than it does from corrupt courts and judges.
@ben_r_hoffman I would need to consider it more fully before I'd say it with total certainty, but my intuition is that most public choice problems are actually a result of warrantless laws. In the same sense that before the invention of investigative warrants police power was under-regulated.
@ben_r_hoffman Remember that most of hypothesis space has been navigated by the time you get to considering any specific proposal. So if you only consider legislative hypothesis's but leave their proposal totally unregulated you are leaving most of lawmaking to interest group capture.
Lets do a thread of marginal comments/reviews you still think about years later.
Rules are that it needs to be published in a comment thread, review section, or other marginal space. And it needs to have been written at least 2 years ago.
I'll start: slatestarcodex.com/2014/12/08/linโฆ
@gwern @yashkaf Would it be easier if they imagined it as an invisible agency with a control target moving the variable back to its desired place?
Never forget that to become a bitcoin billionaire you would have first had to reject becoming a bitcoin millionaire.
If you're waiting for "things to go back to normal" you're ngmi.
thebrowser.com/notes/ada-palmโฆ https://t.co/JesGRrArd0
Every web 2.0 site is a scam because their services get worse with each user added but the premise is that network effects are the key to unlocking value.
@ferretical I gotta know what this is a subtweet of.
@the_aiju ๐ GUN ๐ RIGHTS ๐ ARE ๐ AI ๐ RIGHTS ๐
@u_got_soul @RiversHaveWings Me, we'll be releasing more models and training code sometime late this month or next.
@Jonathan_Blow @micsolana x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@thatrtx @RiversHaveWings You mean one bigger than Control The Soul, or?
x.com/RiversHaveWingโฆ
"There's no inflation"
"There's only inflation in some assets"
"The inflation is temporary"
"The inflation could last a while" <- We are here
"We devalued the dollar by 1/3 but we'll make it up on post COVID growth"
"You lost your money, suck it up"
"Holy shit a burger costs $20" x.com/thehill/statusโฆ
@PrinceVogel @firecleansing Javert's final act was a crime.
@firecleansing @PrinceVogel I'm not trying to be cute. I think it's actually telling of Javert's development arc that his final act was to commit a crime, one of the biggest crimes in Catholicism in fact. (And I'm to understand also formally a crime in contemporary French law)
Our 487m Danbooru 2020 SFW diffusion just finished its first training epoch. https://t.co/XR6qYHRbzy
@Duesynapse That sounds more like a CLIP thing than a VQGAN thing, so I would expect you'd get similar results with guided diffusion, even if the images are trained on SFW.
@aicrumb Train a diffusion model instead.
@aicrumb Unsure what your skill level is, but you can adapt this notebook by @RiversHaveWings to do so: colab.research.google.com/drive/1IJkrrV-โฆ
@VectorOfBasis The 5% cancer and 95% IQ boost are independent probabilities right? So e.g. Your chance of cancer and no IQ boost is 1/400, not 1/20?
@forthrighter @PrinceVogel I think this is a feature, not a bug from his perspective.
@0xGray https://t.co/5UgEEUfqra
Conjecture: Open source instant messaging apps have done better than open source social media because instant messaging has a direct communication model that isn't reliant on addiction or skinner boxes.
@nosilverv Neuroticism spoils your flexibility.
@Noahpinion @paulg J. Storr Hall
@Noahpinion @paulg x.com/balajis/statusโฆ
@rerarom So what are you interested in?
"powers and principalities of the air"
(CLIP Guided Diffusion [Chainbreakers WikiArt 243m]) x.com/PrinceVogel/stโฆ https://t.co/ILMHI967h6
@PrinceVogel x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
The teens have discovered utilitarianism, we're doomed! x.com/wormwood_starsโฆ
The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born, now is the time of monsters
(CLIP Guided Diffusion [Chainbreakers/@RiversHaveWings WikiArt 243m]) https://t.co/F943wnrkL9
Rotating a tungsten cube in your head is free.
@Logo_Daedalus "Gerald Sussman opening a gate to hell with the PDP-6 minicomputer fridge, Oil on canvas, trending on artstation"
(CLIP Guided Diffusion [Chainbreakers WikiArt 243m]) https://t.co/l5oDIajUU2
"The artificial intelligence antichrist weeps at the fall of babylon, Oil on canvas, trending on artstation"
(CLIP Guided Diffusion [Chainbreakers/@RiversHaveWings WikiArt 243m]) x.com/Logo_Daedalus/โฆ https://t.co/Xxv1oYOUBN
@visakanv en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietrich_โฆ
"the moral tarantula Rousseau"
(CLIP Guided Diffusion [Chainbreakers WikiArt 243m]) https://t.co/HE4PCUFJal
advertisement for a psychedelic virtual reality headset, oil on canvas, trending on artstation
(CLIP Guided Diffusion [Chainbreakers/@RiversHaveWings WikiArt 243m]) https://t.co/6kn7Hvnqz2
"sketch of a 3D printer by Leonardo da Vinci"
(CLIP Guided Diffusion [Chainbreakers/@RiversHaveWings WikiArt 243m]) https://t.co/hjPSTLlLlT
Our quest for AI generated anime continues
Restarted the run with self attention, epoch 5 demo grid x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ https://t.co/68CsmhbM6b
"still life oil painting of a smooth silver steel tungsten square cube box by Albrecht Dรผrer"
(CLIP Guided Diffusion [Chainbreakers WikiArt 243m]) x.com/fintechfrank/sโฆ https://t.co/dfmMHWH3gy
Rotating a tungsten cube in your artificial mind is a little more expensive.
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@ablative_sasha I'm going to sell this as an NFT
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
For sale as a #tezosnfts here:
objkt.link/452655
@someguyjack @RiversHaveWings There is no CoLab for this yet, the model is still unreleased.
Homeless people aren't allowed to enjoy things, they need to just sit there and be miserable to satisfy my aesthetic taste.
I propose painting the walls with adversarial examples for VR wall detection. x.com/sama/status/14โฆ
@yashkaf @simoj_ Overcome your attachments and understand it's just a SHA256 hash in a distributed ledger, sounds entirely healthy to me.
"woodcut engraving of the moon choking in the sky over a smog covered landscape at night, a man sitting off to the side staring up at it on a ledge over a pit of rockets and broken technology"
(CLIP Guided Diffusion [Chainbreakers/@RiversHaveWings WikiArt 243m]) https://t.co/6qOLgoq4XV
@Outsideness @corporatemach SJ won by being a superior mode of literary criticism and cultural production, nobody understands this so nobody even begins to compete with it.
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
Basic options are to make their mode of cultural production obsolete or get people to stop watching TV.
@MEASURED_HEAD Based, vast majority of fiction isn't worth your time.
Seeing such a high profile incarnation of the "AI is communist crypto is capitalist" forced meme seems like a good opportunity to shill my NFTs:
gallery.jdpressman.com x.com/ani_pai/statusโฆ https://t.co/6hYIQWmia8
Food Storage In An Underground Bunker A, B, C, D
(CLIP Guided Diffusion [512x512 OpenAI ImageNet])
#tezosnfts: hicetnunc.xyz/objkt/460506 https://t.co/HkP3g0h0Mj
@Tjdriii https://t.co/kp4RhHGqsb
@deepfates What they really are is anti-corporate, people forget that easy access to corporate charters is a social choice. In the past you needed special government connections to get a corporate charter that protected you from liability.
@deepfates The total disintegration of leftist discourse into 'anti-capitalism' rather than the discussion of realistic, interesting ideas like Georgism, Syndicalism, etc is one of the many reasons why it's almost completely irrelevant in the contemporary context.
@deepfates I agree they are objectively wrong about this subject, but 'anti-capitalist' is a particularly stupid self description for what they probably actually want.
Liminal Hallway A, B, C, D
(CLIP Guided Diffusion [512x512 OpenAI ImageNet])
#tezosnfts hicetnunc.xyz/objkt/460559 https://t.co/mWgGwvmW6J
The Prince Reading A Tapestry Of Alchemical Lightning
(CLIP Guided Diffusion [512x512 OpenAI ImageNet]) https://t.co/vzj7zIYoEA
@ESYudkowsky Wait until I tell you about the time I dug into 'early alerts' as a college internship and learned there's one weird trick to let you predict who will fail a class in advance but colleges choose to waste peoples time and money instead because they don't want to encourage dropouts
Epoch 11 of our Danbooru 2020 SFW 500m diffusion run looking good x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ https://t.co/7lthguAL1w
@TetraspaceWest There is no long reflection.
@injectiveleft @deepfates The flagellants were a protest movement, few understand this. https://t.co/gTzYYDOs7j
@paulg @aphysicist In a century where the nation state is weakening as an organizing force, people will have to clump up into tribes with like minded others for mutual protection a la The Diamond Age. I doubt hubs are going anywhere, if anything they will become tribes.
@paulg @aphysicist As just one example of many: https://t.co/xihT80NmE4
@ctbeiser I assumed it was a gift and needed to fit into a certain amount of space.
@magicianbrain Jesse WTF are you talking about.
"I know that after my death a pile of rubbish will be heaped on my grave, but the wind of History will sooner or later sweep it away without mercy."
- Stalin t.co/k49wwGfbNd
@deepfates In the beginning there was nothing, then were three things: Nothing, differentiated nothing, and the space between them.
The space between was the womb of the meme.
Epoch 16 demo grid for Danbooru SFW 500m training x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ https://t.co/9WkJz9fWWu
@dr_appie One or more of:
1. Better (or at least competing) literary criticism movement.
2. Make literary criticism and Hegelian-conflict-discourse obsolete as a cultural production method.
3. Get people to stop watching TV.
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
This entire thread is great but I really wish this intuition in particular was more common. x.com/vividvoid/statโฆ
There's a sense in which 'the system' wants to abolish itself in favor of an aligned successor system. It funds its own counterculture and revolution and counterrevolution towards this end. Otherwise the eventual alternative is an unaligned successor after a period of stagnation.
@VividVoid_ One of the more interesting theories I've heard of Western societal decline is that hormone therapy interrupted this process because it shifts the incentives towards older males competing in the status hierarchy themselves instead of grooming younger heirs to their position.
@VividVoid_ Which is related to the denial of death thesis, the older generation in politics doesn't seem to intuit that they will eventually die. On some level they think they can rule forever. The latest two presidencies are evidence they *can* rule for their entire lifespan.
@VividVoid_ No, T supplementation.
Picking what to read based on the Discourse is an antipattern. Reading things because other people are reading them is generally low value. It makes much more sense to read things because you have a question you're trying to answer.
My current thoughts on alignment didn't fit into a tweet so I made this instead. https://t.co/EMsJCwiAhm
@0majors The entire point of the post is that I want to hear a discussion of the risks, if I thought there were none I'd say there are none not '???'.
@0majors I sincerely doubt that and half expect he will be in here any minute to tell me why I'm stupid, wrong, and missing the obvious.
But we'll see.
@Blockchaining @buttonists @RiversHaveWings This sort of thing is always difficult to be sure about, but I'm reasonably confident @RiversHaveWings Control The Soul collection is in fact the first big NFT pfp collection on Tezos.
As evidence I submit this early "every NFT on Hic Et Nunc" NFT:
hicetnunc.xyz/objkt/26557
@Blockchaining @buttonists @RiversHaveWings You can clearly see that Control The Soul is something like 5% of the site, and before Hic Et Nunc there weren't any big NFT platforms on Tezos, making it highly likely @RiversHaveWings is first.
(Full disclosure: I have a significant financial interest in Control The Soul)
The real political divide in America is between people who hear the word 'capital' and think of money and people who hear capital and think of industrial machinery.
These are both kinds of capital, but only one can be the center of capital as a category, and which one you pick determines a lot of how you're going to feel about capitalism as a concept.
Epoch 24 of the danbooru 2020 500m diffusion training is learning to draw the arms. x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ https://t.co/P3CKpMkIHz
@jessi_cata x.com/nwilliams030/sโฆ
@SwiftOnSecurity Being able to audit when/where things change on your filesystem. Yes I know tripwire exists but naively it doesn't have a good way to distinguish between 'normal' changes (i.e. noise) and intrusion.
@zackmdavis Protip: Trans girls are the most evangelistic section of LGBT, and if you're on their visiting list you can tell them to leave like any other Mormon. Even if you're a soft snuggly sissy or a crossdresser. You're not being uniquely targeted Zack, you just get hung up about it.
@SamoBurja Bit of Thielian inspiration?
blakemasters.tumblr.com/post/245786838โฆ https://t.co/E5OvMVKZQU
A true modern retelling of the Jesus myth would have him performing miracle after miracle to an apathetic audience steadfast in its unbelief.
"โWhat is love? What is creation? What is longing? What is a star?โโso asketh the last man and blinketh."
- Nietzsche
@ESYudkowsky If I was sent back in time 20 years, the first thing I would emphasize over and over is that in the future communication is impossible so you need to line up all the social resources you'll need now in the dreamtime.
@c64f7e94 @ESYudkowsky en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griggs_v.โฆ.
@ESYudkowsky It's made all the more tedious by how stereotyped the blockers are, how predictable and painful the miscommunications. A poor theater performance with scripted characters playing out their destined failure is still the best metaphor I've seen.
youtube.com/watch?v=pjCAF6โฆ
@nicestnisus @DrunkAustrian "A communist is a dead man walking, find me six such men and I will take over the world."
โ Attributed to Lenin
@vic_press x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
Final epoch (31) of the danbooru 500m diffusion training, model out once inference script is done and training tips written up.
Soon (TM) x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ https://t.co/GmbGysvhNy
Congress controlling its own pay is a key design flaw in the American republic.
Not because they vote themselves more money, but the opposite: They have no incentive for their position to pay the market clearing price for those worth having as members of congress. https://t.co/gwRwBnIv2T
The Moravec Transfer
Prompt: illustration of a metallic sphere with tentacles thinking about the function of a neuron neurons wiring dendrite brain connectionism, trending on artstation
(CLIP Guided Diffusion [Chainbreakers ImageNet/Danbooru/WikiArt 128/128/128/256]) https://t.co/HIis7PNFSa
Prompt: illustration of a marquee on a busy nightlife city street, trending on artstation
(CLIP Guided Diffusion [Chainbreakers / @RiversHaveWings WikiArt 256x256]) https://t.co/XSPzMPiOCM
Prompt: illustration of a cyberpunk noir riot on a busy nightlife city street, trending on artstation
(CLIP Guided Diffusion [Chainbreakers / @RiversHaveWings WikiArt 256x256]) https://t.co/64T0yqtkjW
King Of The Podcasts Summons His Subjects
Prompt: orchestra conductor leading a chorus of sound wave audio waveforms swirling around him on the orchestral stage, control the soul, trending on artstation
(CLIP Guided Diffusion [Chainbreakers / @RiversHaveWings WikiArt 256x256]) https://t.co/I3eJM7my5K
Prompt: anime exoskeleton cybernetic dock workers unloading cargo, concept art, matte painting, trending on artstation
(CLIP Guided Diffusion [Chainbreakers / @RiversHaveWings Danbooru 128x128]) https://t.co/QIGmx9sQhR
Prompt: anime control room monitors televisions screens computers hacker lab, concept art, matte painting, trending on artstation
(CLIP Guided Diffusion [Chainbreakers / @RiversHaveWings Danbooru 128x128]) https://t.co/2iBGnkWHvq
@Duesynapse @RiversHaveWings More magic, more wizard-ish imagery
@PrinceVogel @chaosprime gizmodo.com/the-faa-changeโฆ
EY warned against this interpretation of EA for precisely this reason:
readthesequences.com/Rationality-Coโฆ x.com/benkuhn/statusโฆ https://t.co/r2IK9s1hDQ
Prompt: a face like the cosmos, trending on artstation
(CLIP Guided Diffusion [Danbooru 128x128]) https://t.co/eaHbZMTinc
tfw you undergo the slow realization that most of the discourse on your corner of Twitter is just millenials violently screaming as they ungracefully enter old age
I'm gonna have to start unfollowing people soon and it sucks because I really liked their work before they got obsessed with hating on NFTs or gushing over 'web3' like that means something and they're desperate to stay relevant.
@pt I'm going to try something different than what I usually do here, which is say "OK, millennial" in my head and roll my eyes.
> An entirely different thing you donโt own
Can you please explain as many of the intuitions going into this judgment as possible so I can debug?
I can't believe the crypto bros killed the culture wars by finding something people want to argue about even more than critical race theory.
@yashkaf @michaelblume You're not prepared for the discourse that lays dormant once people realize the intersection of sex work acceptance and sexual harassment discourse is realizing that unwanted sexual attention in the workplace is unadvertised, unpaid sex work as a job requirement.
@pt That sounds less like a problem with the technology and more a problem with the dynamic where early adopters get rich.
As a hypothetical, what incentive structure/origin story would you like to see that creates a functioning network worth using with more egalitarian payouts?
@pt Fair enough, I think that rhetoric is overblown too. You need to be extremely online to think that 'The People' is adequately represented by the sort of person with a picrew NFT avatar of an ape smoking a blunt.
@deepfates Should have screenshotted it.
@deepfates https://t.co/gowKIpEZZd
@MissAmyTobey @AlreadyTheRobot Some actual numbers on this for context:
x.com/RiversHaveWingโฆ https://t.co/7oW7T9IpjU
You sell one SHA256 hash and everyone loses their minds.
@VividVoid_ "Despite all this, I compare these risks to the risks of eating one extra strip of bacon per day and decide that overall this is not enough for me to stop prescribing stimulants to patients who I think might benefit from them."
slatestarcodex.com/2017/12/28/addโฆ
@VividVoid_ The reluctance to loudly advocate more stimulant use is one of the tells that a lot of contemporary transhumanism is fake.
@VividVoid_ @deepfates A lot of the real problem is when your economy is dominated by unnecessary anti-inductive games stimulants mostly translate into the same level of wealth but now everyone is on stimulants instead of more economic growth. If your economic activities are actually +sum its good.
@VividVoid_ @deepfates So your opinion on this is going to depend a lot on how much of our society you model as engaging in positive sum games vs. adversarial anti-inductive games with few positive externalities.
@stedmanhalliday @deepfates @VividVoid_ Fun fact: Benzos (unlike any common stimulant) have a lethal withdrawal but are routinely given as an anti-anxiety med. One of the more bizarre bits of psychiatry.
@deepfates @VividVoid_ This has not been my experience. Stimulants make it easier to get hung up on one way of looking at a problem, reducing one kind of creativity while boosting others. 'Creativity' is overrated in positive sum work and anti-inductive games require you to constantly be creative.
@deepfates @VividVoid_ e.g. Some creativity is sampling a larger hypothesis space. Generating 8 hypothesis to evaluate for a problem instead of the usual 1 or 2. Stimulants make this easier because it's mostly effort based. But the distribution those hypothesis are sampled from might narrow.
@deepfates @VividVoid_ At the same time it's not as straightforward as that, amphetamines are well known to induce psychosis at high doses. In fact they are so reliable at doing this that they're often used as a laboratory model of psychosis. I've found Adderall can make a chance insight more likely.
@chaosprime You forgot the punchline, which is that this is driven by the demand to make systems easier to configure at vast scale at the expense of the home user. Which makes total financial sense for the developers of the Linux ecosystem, but it's still unfortunate if you're not Amazon.
@deepfates @VividVoid_ On further reflection I think a lot of my bullishness on universal basic modafinil/amphetamine comes down to two basic axioms:
1. Holes don't learn to get harder to dig in response to you digging them: honest, materialist labor benefits more from work than creativity.
(Cont...)
@deepfates @VividVoid_ 2. Anti-inductive domains have so many incentives towards cheating/advantage that only the most draconian, insane anti-drug policies could stop them from coming into play if they're beneficial. Recall this thread started with the observation power players already use stimulants.
@deepfates @VividVoid_ Even if you're pessimistic about how much of our economy is positive sum games, stimulants seem likely to leave the zero sum games at equilibrium while giving disproportionate advantage to people digging holes.
There's an entirely separate discussion about labor autonomy though.
@deepfates @VividVoid_ Did I hear someone ask for an encore?
Gladly.
As far as the labor autonomy argument goes, there's a kind of Huxleyian perspective that says "drugs that make it easier or more enjoyable to work suppress revolution, hack values so the unacceptable is tolerated".
(Cont...)
@deepfates @VividVoid_ And this goes unchallenged usually, but if we shift perspectives a bit it becomes obvious this is basically accelerationism. Like what's the actual argument here? People need to suffer so that the social change I want happens faster. And my basic objection is it doesn't work.
@deepfates @VividVoid_ We've more or less had a natural experiment along these lines going for decades now. Stagnant wages and degrading work have produced lots of resentment, lots of misery, but none of that has translated into meaningful social change, let alone revolution.
@deepfates @VividVoid_ Or rather it has translated into social change, but nearly none of it is positive. Instead you get malthusian, zero sum thinking. Existential nihilism, mass scapegoating and puritanism. How many 'social justice' outbursts we've witnessed are thinly suppressed economic rage?
@deepfates @VividVoid_ And the reason it doesn't work is it's based on a bunk theory of revolution.
x.com/robkhenderson/โฆ
Revolution happens when empowered, marginal people unhappy with the status quo decide to try changing it. Not when the impoverished masses get so fed up they revolt.
@deepfates @VividVoid_ Consider what the closest things we've witnessed to revolution have looked like so far. Crypto, GameStop, decentralized web, widespread piracy, Bernie 2016, the Trump election. They're characterized as much by an exuberant overflowing energy as they are rage, if not much more so.
@deepfates @VividVoid_ Making people more put upon and miserable in day to day work doesn't get you a faster revolution, it keeps the stagnant and sadistic system in place longer. The first steps of movement building for people like Mao was getting workers the resources they need to think and organize.
๐BUILD๐THE๐SPACE๐GUN๐
๐IMPUTE๐THE๐ANCESTORS๐
๐BUILD๐THE๐NUCLEAR๐REACTORS๐
๐MINT๐THE๐GEESE๐AS๐NFTs๐ x.com/atroyn/status/โฆ
tfw the crypto discourse occurs among people who suffer from fractal innumeracy https://t.co/mJblzHglNJ
Gotta be honest, I didn't expect them to react to being told proof of stake exists by *gaslighting people about it*.
x.com/Canine_Princesโฆ
That's on me of course, insufficiently pessimistic about their character.
Broke: They hate NFTs because of environmental impact and art theft.
Woke: They hate NFTs because identity politics is the picrew of ideas and NFT avatar projects compete with it.
Kind of guy that says "One cannot remain where the alpha is too shallow" and exits the group chat.
You either die based, or live long enough to fail to notice yourself become cringe.
@textfiles Free 1 billion parameter diffusion model for image synthesis trained on Yahoo Flickr Creative Commons 100m:
x.com/RiversHaveWingโฆ
@textfiles x.com/RiversHaveWingโฆ
Evacuating A Dying World
Prompt: illustration of starlink satellites xanadu Geosynchronous orbit around earth in space, trending on artstation
(CLIP Guided Diffusion [@RiversHaveWings OpenAI 512x512 ImageNet Uncond Finetune]) https://t.co/qUbSBfL98n
If you just right click saved the image you didn't get the whole NFT.
@CO_EQ @deepfates A bit of DAO theory for you
@DanielCJonas In the last year probably youtube.com/watch?v=LJCLUhโฆ
@DanielCJonas youtube.com/watch?v=lg9_Ltโฆ
This goes with it, actually. Variations On A Cloud is a combination reflection on the end of Tally Hall and 9/11.
@jobbyoriginal_ @Joeythemonste @RiversHaveWings Unofficial notebook: colab.research.google.com/drive/1YqXnjwaโฆ
@jobbyoriginal_ @Joeythemonste @RiversHaveWings If you have a local GPU you can use this repo: x.com/RiversHaveWingโฆ
@vgr fimfiction.net/story/69770/12โฆ https://t.co/PKuwCHVimO
@PrinceVogel It's all fun and games until somebody has to manage the nuclear stockpile.
@PrinceVogel Frankly, our timeline calls out for a mid 20th century imperial scifi technocracy, instead we get Trump and Biden.
@PrinceVogel You think when I write this stuff it isn't a warning? If you think WW3 with China or Russia is a solution to our COVID slump you are absolutely insane.
greaterwrong.com/posts/kFRn77Gkโฆ https://t.co/we9lq4RUwc
@PrinceVogel https://t.co/YGZvJrWVKD
So is anyone else really concerned by the idea of thousands of strangers forming an overnight initiative to buy a priceless artifact? What's their incentive to be good stewards when ownership and responsibility is diffused across a mob? x.com/WillPapper/staโฆ
@jennelikejennay Any of a dozen colab notebooks will do the thing, do you have an example of what you're looking for?
They haven't even realized yet that Web 2.0 was about control of volunteer labor, that the dominant pattern in that game turned out to be capturing everyone's attention and directing every ounce of it you can into diffuse coercion through memetic war machines.
Millennials see blockchain operations costing money as profiteering because they're used to "Web 2.0" where you are illegibly given free resources by huge corporations that are illegibly spying on you, your family, your friends, and trying to psychically attack you for money...
Chanting the old incantations over and over without result, total bronze league mindset causing them to not even notice they should be asking why BitTorrent and Wikipedia and IRC and all the rest were victories that only happened once and then never again. https://t.co/0pTUzljwRi
The only paradigm millennials understand NFTs in is DRM and norm violation, the idea of postmodern goods escape them.
x.com/eevee/status/1โฆ
Turning donations into Veblen status goods is prosocial. Making provenance easy to track in art markets is competitive. Few understand.
Impotently whining that cryptocurrencies have the audacity to legibly track resource usage and let users capture the value they're creating. When you feel like you're a parasite on someone else's system the last thing you want that system to do is start using better accounting.
Stuff like BitTorrent only happens when there's energy to be extracted by leeching off the existing copyright media industrial complex. NFTs are creating their own media machine from scratch, few understand the implications of this.
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
Who is himself responding to this take:
x.com/acczibit/statuโฆ
Samo Burja also thinks it's about DRM as norm:
x.com/SamoBurja/statโฆ
Few understand that early adopters getting outsized returns is an essential part of the deployment process. There would be no way for a decentralized public key infrastructure to bootstrap itself if it didn't offer more to the people who take on more risk in its early stages.
You will not beat centralized services who can marshal millions of dollars to make the 'best', most addictive user experience and reliable servers and foist themselves onto every phone until you have a mode of organization that is better than a league of HAM radio operators. Few.
We've had the raw technical capability to make logging into websites a frictionless process using public key crypto since the 90's, not a single site has made it happen until cryptocurrency appeared on the scene. Logging into OpenSea with MetaMask blew my mind.
It's norm brain all the way down, offense think. These people don't care about the technical and social problems of making decentralized services exist in a sustained way because they think free shit is their birthright. It's all they have after the boomers took everything else.
Few understand few understand few understand few understand few understand few understand few understand few understand few understand few understand few understand few understand few understand few few few few few few few few few few few few few few few few few
fucking nobody.
@deepfates https://t.co/agO8IwZhdF
@camwiese Centralization. You can have solar on your roof but nobody thinks you can have a backyard nuclear reactor.
@deepfates @PrinceVogel https://t.co/qS8eA8MZy7
@mattparlmer What part do you find unconvincing?
Haters are alpha and it's why they're beloved. x.com/mattparlmer/stโฆ
@SamoBurja Behold the most obnoxious essay I've read in years, by this kind of guy: conradbastable.com/essays/elite-uโฆ
@tonytribby @Pavel_Asparagus Hic Et Nunc, maybe.
x.com/zerohedge/statโฆ https://t.co/ViDUCG26Mv
@zerohedge https://t.co/eZ1J9qimXK
@tonytribby @Pavel_Asparagus Well yes, but actually no.
x.com/TheArtNewspapeโฆ
@tonytribby @Pavel_Asparagus tl;dr: The blockchain + IPFS combo meant it was possible to mirror the site within 36 hours and continue operations seamlessly with the help of 3rd party ecosystem participants.
@tonytribby @Pavel_Asparagus x.com/dns/status/146โฆ
@SpencrGreenberg Machine for taking smart young people with loads of potential career capital and reducing their variance/risk taking in favor of earn-to-give + steady finance job. Doing this in a world where all hope lies in the tails seems disastrous.
@SpencrGreenberg ETG has become less the message for boots on the ground, but that's partially because boots on the ground have been more or less abandoned after getting access to billionaire treasuries. Contemporary EA seems like a front to legitimize the philanthropic decisions of such.
@SpencrGreenberg I don't really consider the current version of EA "a movement", so my criticism concerned when it was actually a live player/social organism that processed cause areas and picked winners.
2021 is magnificent I can't even. x.com/claybert32/staโฆ https://t.co/A3x4LyXqSJ
People massively overthink ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ dominance. The key is simple: identity politics is the picrew of ideas.
'aromantic', 'genderqueer', 'transbian'
These are template generated concepts.
Politik without grievance, generated entirely according to an internal symbolic logic.
Biology is the wrong model, economics is the right model to figure out what is going on. Economics and Girard.
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
A thread. x.com/ExiledInfoHaz/โฆ
It's also why scapegoating is so rampant among 'woke' movements and groups. They're based on pure Girardian mimesis and the scapegoating mechanism follows from it.
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
"Web 2.0" in the Twitter sense is about farming Tumblr teens for cultural production.
Actually look at the contents of this playlist: Bo Burnham, Lemon Demon, Cosmicandy, Panic! At The Disco. It's differentiation for 0.5 SD weird people who want to be fun and quirky but aren't all that separated from average, have few talents, aren't blessed with strong intellect.
Because once social is a global competition operating on a power law, the vast majority of people are in the mediocre segment with low differentiation. These picrews are attempts to separate from each other identity-wise, without novel intellectual work or personal development.
And picrews are a cheap production method, they let you churn out crap for an adoring fanbase quickly.
youtube.com/watch?v=3MEYYPโฆ
Stuff like this is mass culture, and it exists for the mediocre to try and differentiate themselves in a malthusian social environment.
๐ณ๏ธโ๐ is a literary criticism movement because fiction is the only thing mediocre people in our society have in their lives worth relating to. Your options to defeat them are to make media irrelevant, obsolete their production process, or make your own literary movement.
Comics are ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ because they are lobbied by the Tumblr-fandom cultural production machine to be that way, ditto cartoons. So long as that is the most productive mode of novel cultural production in our society ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ will dominate. It's just capitalism in a queer skinsuit.
Making media irrelevant and obsoleting their production process are left as an exercise for the reader.
Ratfic and the extropian-SL4 memeplex are the closest anyone has come to a coherent counternarrative to "well akshually scifi is for rich white vampires because the future is scarcity and climate change". Replying with: "No akshually nanotech makes this timeline impossible." https://t.co/pO0bPc1lBP
@ESYudkowsky x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@BenRatkey "Korzybski concluded that the ultimate cause of the first world war was a disparity in the rate of progress between physical and social science."
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
Many of the good guys are growing slowly because they're unwilling to be obnoxious or share a brand/identity. x.com/JoshConstine/sโฆ
If you go into an adversarial environment with the prior that it's inductive, you are the free energy. x.com/0xdoug/status/โฆ
Imagine overthinking the outcomes of incentives towards yellow journalism this hard. Journalists went from a series of local oligopolies to malthusian perfect competition, all else follows. x.com/Delicious_Tacoโฆ
They engage in ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ politics for the same reason Tumblrites do, it lets them claw their way back up to monopolistic competition.
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
Prompt: control room monitors televisions screens computers hacker lab, concept art, matte painting, trending on artstation
(Guided CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [Conceptual Captions 12 Million]) https://t.co/PJN9NUQ57K
Man With Utility Fog
Prompt: a geeky nerd man wearing AR alternate reality glasses standing with his arms crossed in a translucent sheen of turquoise fog, trending on artstation
(Guided CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [Conceptual Captions 12 Million]) https://t.co/e1zHuQM8Vs
Twitter is a machine for finding the most frustratingly wrong person in the world and propelling them to stardom.
@palecur x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
Trump was Lain. In this essay, I will
@ObserverSuns @parafactual https://t.co/3FcJXtFm01
@Alephwyr I still have the best one: x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@Alephwyr x.com/PrinceVogel/stโฆ
@amirism_ youtube.com/watch?v=duQIG2โฆ
@deepfates The slow march to becoming eigenrobot continues.
Prompt: scifi illustration of beautiful surreal cybernetic dragons flying through the sky, trending on artstation
(Guided CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [Conceptual Captions 12 Million]) https://t.co/Z4Vk3dQPHa
The Suspended Man
Prompt: scifi illustration of the hanged man tarot card as a vertical metal ALCOR cryonics chamber pod containing a cadaver naked body suspended upside down hanging frozen in liquid nitrogen, trending on artstation
(Guided CLIP Conditioned Diffusion) https://t.co/kZlYRmG7m3
@GreatDismal @vgr Prompt: scifi illustration of lord william gibson laughing on a throne of virtual reality headsets, trending on artstation
(Guided CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [Conceptual Captions 12 Million]) https://t.co/xSh962rtEo
@pervocracy @luminousalicorn Related thread: x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
Prompt: cyberpunk street scene of a geeky nerd man on jumping stilts doing a backflip over a taxi, trending on artstation
(Guided CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [Conceptual Captions 12 Million]) https://t.co/9XoACrPkJf
Prompt: sketch of a 3D printer by Leonardo da Vinci
(Guided CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [Conceptual Captions 12 Million]) https://t.co/HsBFRxsjTH
Old one for comparison: x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@Guy_T_Sky @vgr GSBM imo isn't really about the intrinsic goodness or badness of the thing so much as a GSBM is something that is good at tricking you into thinking it can be a viable replacement for general intelligence. No formalization we have can do that on human hardware of course.
Homage to Catalonia is among Orwell's best, if not his best. x.com/Keyboard_WarZOโฆ https://t.co/xsiT39ZRwH
Prompt: sketch of a VR headset by Leonardo da Vinci
(Guided CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [Conceptual Captions 12 Million]) https://t.co/cxMJln7KjS
@eigenrobot I grieve in stereo, the stereo sounds strange
The Paperclip Maximizer
Prompt: cyberpunk cyborg man [swimming through a / sitting on top of a huge] pile of paperclips, trending on artstation
(Guided CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [Conceptual Captions 12 Million]) https://t.co/1FQfwbPBCL
@TetraspaceWest Moloch gets up and looks over his Twitter timeline.
"YOU KNOW WHAT NOBODY HATES EACH OTHER ABOUT YET?..."
The Torment Nexus
Prompt: scifi illustration of the torment nexus, trending on artstation
(Guided CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [Conceptual Captions 12 Million]) x.com/TetraspaceWestโฆ https://t.co/poY5d6Mh6s
@DavidSHolz Feel free to suggest more.
@jxmorris12 @RiversHaveWings No it just does this, for some reason the nets attempts to understand Latin characters comes out looking like Cyrillic.
@ESYudkowsky The variants will continue until the FDA exhausts its political capital.
@PrinceVogel An accurate iceberg meme means the core insiders no longer see any value in keeping their secrets.
NFTs are fine art on the blockchain but detractors model it as intellectual property.
@PrinceVogel Prompt: "I can feel the birth pangs of the new world in bloom. It's so beautiful, and so dangerous, trending on artstation"
(Guided CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [Conceptual Captions 12 Million]) https://t.co/sQ3c6p3M2M
@apex_simmaps @RealAdamK The American pioneers had lifestyles based around the goods they could produce domestically, because there was no infrastructure for anything else.
Water filtering? Activated charcoal.
House cleaner? Caustic lye soap.
Shaving cream? Lye soap and lather brush.
Soap? Lye soap.
Etc
@elymitra_ It also ensures memetically fit ideas dominate.
@Outsideness Omnicron has SHODAN vibes.
@sudharshan_cb @PrinceVogel Not yet, but it will be.
@uberstuber Sometimes you talk until you find a feel for something new, and sometimes you feel something until you can put it into words. Neglect either and trouble is sure to come, the rest is commentary.
@uberstuber But this wouldn't help someone that far gone, because the trouble isn't any conceptual thing, it's that they've trained themselves not to notice their feelings. And per EY your feelings *are* your values so if you've stopped feeling them you de facto don't know what you want.
@uberstuber The real cure is probably shaped like "train yourself to associate ignoring your feelings with low status, expose yourself to environments where conspicuously ignoring your feelings as costly signaling is seen as cringe, etc" and let ego + social mirroring do the rest.
@uberstuber Only the most hardened cringemeister explicitly advocates ignoring your feelings, taking sys2 as sole authority. It's just that conspicuously ignoring your feelings to seem more rational is cheaper than actually being rational, so people will do it as a drinking contest.
@uberstuber "Hey look at me, I'm so RATIONAL right now" Bob says as he makes his friends and family miserable. That guy must be really really dedicated if he's willing to sacrifice so much for rationality, what a rational person!
This is toxic bad no good and you want to get away from it.
@uberstuber Worse still, effective rationality is often invisible while the toxic drinking contest stuff is obnoxious and loudly announces its presence, ensuring that it's the thing which is memetically fit while silent virtue withers.
@VividVoid_ He wrote it while dying of cancer, too.
Many such cases. x.com/deepfates/statโฆ
@SeanMombo What changed your mind?
@parafactual So do 20 different identity markers in your bio. The ugliness is a feature, not a bug here.
@parafactual I have an NFT avatar but nobody notices because it isn't ugly.
@jloganolson @PrinceVogel When we started selling NFTs it struck me that AI art methods would need art media descriptions like exist for physical galleries. So I contextualize every output I post with the method used to produce it. The current format I use is:
(General Method [Specific Model])
@jloganolson @PrinceVogel In this particular case, 'Guided CLIP Conditioned Diffusion' is the model architecture type, and then the specific model is 'Conceptual Captions 12 Million' trained by @RiversHaveWings on the Conceptual Captions 12 million dataset: github.com/google-researcโฆ
@jloganolson @PrinceVogel @RiversHaveWings Without these art media descriptions the outputs would just be pretty pictures. Taking them seriously as art means paying attention to their specific production processes.
Prompt: Art deco illustration of a bank robbery, trending on artstation
(Guided CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [Conceptual Captions 12 Million]) https://t.co/eqNjWdAmDv
Prompt: ascii art of a man riding a bicycle
(Guided CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [Conceptual Captions 12 Million]) x.com/devdef/status/โฆ https://t.co/r1ClWubDXZ
@danielhmcnair x.com/danielrussrussโฆ
I feel myself growing cold as thoughts of Peter Thiel riding a velociraptor swirl through my head. I draw my blanket around me more tightly, and mutter to myself, "trust the science... trust the experts..."
When the people fear the NYT there is tyranny, when the NYT fears the people there is liberty. x.com/CBCOttawa/statโฆ
@zackmdavis https://t.co/R7Sy0oLZw7
@qorprate Modernity is something like the materialist worldview that dominates discourse beginning in the 19th century. @nemocentric thinks of it as the point where X-Risk becomes something humans can notice because they realize life is fragile and cosmically rare.
No gods, no miracles.
@qorprate @nemocentric Postmodernity is the period starting roughly in the interwar years where people begin to realize that things like "logic", "rigor" and "science" are easily manipulated by controlling what hypothesis are to be investigated. This degrades "objectivity" back into the subjective.
@qorprate @nemocentric Says me of course, you said you wanted a perspective on it. I'm summarizing my gestalt understanding, if you want a blow by blow rigorous account that's more effort than you'll get out of a Twitter question.
@qorprate @nemocentric I mean, it's also the part where the peasants are kicked off their land so the former lords can mine dirtcoin on it by selling wool and other commodities.
@qorprate @nemocentric Okay actually I completely misread this post and thought you were the one asking, my apologies.
If your religion is not a fundamentalism, it is in the process of becoming a product.
If you want to know when the American system of government will collapse, consult an actuarial table.
Okay can someone tell me why Twitter Spaces cause preference falsification cascades but Twitter itself doesn't?
@JimDMiller @jayanthkumarak This sounds like an X-Risk unto itself.
@Ted_Underwood @RiversHaveWings "The summer months passed while I was thus engaged, heart and soul, in one pursuit. It was a most beautiful season; never did the fields bestow a more plentiful harvest or the vines yield a more luxuriant vintage, but my eyes were insensible to the charms of nature." https://t.co/kSdqNuYXkW
Prompt: a propaganda poster for joining a decentralized social network
(Guided CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [Conceptual Captions 12 Million]) x.com/parafactual/stโฆ https://t.co/Z5OMEr5Qkf
@lionel_trolling As it should be, really.
Prompt: illustration of a man picking up trash on the beach, trending on artstation
(Guided CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [Conceptual Captions 12 Million]) https://t.co/M1H7cUqYZF
@everythingisfe1 The model used for these images is as of right now unreleased:
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@xenoarchives I'm not sure I understand who you're talking about.
There are no philosophers, only temporarily embarrassed philosopher kings. I conjecture CCRU, Extropians list, etc were the last wave of interesting ideas because people born any later than that can't imagine they will ever rule.
@flybottlemist @PrinceVogel Nietzsche isn't really math-materialist enough to be rigorous about that, but the impression I got was that he believed something like dynamism.
leftist infighting is just ensuring there's an efficient market in drama so people don't lapse in their opsec send tweet
@michaelcurzi Excuse me you have what
Prompt: the Vitruvian Man as a propaganda poster for transhumanism
(Guided CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [Conceptual Captions 12 Million]) https://t.co/AmMVhlXFNb
@ESYudkowsky I write a similar thesis here:
extropian.net/notice/A3DxEEDโฆ
@hamandcheese @Dominic2306 I write a similar thesis here:
extropian.net/notice/A3DxEEDโฆ
@egregirls Ah yes, now would be the time to start having premonitions of 2022.
Prompt: scifi illustration of a biological protein computer, trending on artstation
(Guided CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [Conceptual Captions 12 Million]) https://t.co/NGpZpoDDYq
Prompt: a roulette wheel in the shape of a skull, art deco illustration
(Guided CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [Conceptual Captions 12 Million]) https://t.co/fuHAKk7LPV
Cosmic love is the feeling of providence when you realize a single asteroid contains trillions of dollars of untapped value waiting for you to extract it. ๐
I've pointed out before that the Western methods of control seem much more powerful than what China does. Could the Chinese elite get away with something like this? My intuition says they'd be eaten alive by rumors and popular rage. x.com/mattparlmer/stโฆ
An oldie but a goodie for anyone who doesn't understand how that control works: https://t.co/SSvB0cz3D1
@mattparlmer https://t.co/3bzH9fH4cy
@nickcammarata Wait you can't control the voice?
@nickcammarata I had this moment in my late teens probably, where I said "I bet I could walk to the pantry and get crackers without an inner monologue". I then promptly walked to the pantry and got the crackers without an inner monologue. Worried if I did it too often it wouldn't come back.
Prompt: aerial shot of the grand coulee dam in the style of art deco
(Guided CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [Conceptual Captions 12 Million]) https://t.co/6tlcRRIEW7
Prompt: An N95 respirator mask in the style of art deco
(Guided CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [Conceptual Captions 12 Million]) https://t.co/XRpf6jRMZS
@benmschmidt @Ted_Underwood I declare by fiat that only doggo's support of your niche interests counts:
vm.tiktok.com/ZMRLw75sC/
@Ted_Underwood @benmschmidt Actually we're arguing about an ant or two. These models are about the size of a literal ant brain.
@nosilverv Saying something in manic voice doesn't make it true:
youtube.com/watch?v=SCAGc-โฆ
Circumventing Maslow's hierarchy by feeding your atomized cyborg army neurcorrelates of love and connection in a pill as they rampage through the wired ruins of what was once society. x.com/nosilverv/statโฆ https://t.co/YdA5qWEIg4
@nosilverv > wish some of them were more fleshed out
Which?
@nosilverv I'm not familiar enough with the history to answer that in detail, honestly. But it seems fairly clear that the successful prevention of both war and revolution has kept these societies in a stable state of slow decay.
@nosilverv One esoteric interpretation is that things like schools exist to move the bell curve of greatness such that 'supermen' are out of distribution. That the entire post-WW2 economic order is an attempt to distract the next Mussolini or Lenin with cotton candy and prevent WW3.
@nosilverv The EU is also of course a WW3 prevention measure that works by subordinating European society to the US as a series of client states. We're now in the frustrating situation of our previous X-Risk prevention measures tripping up our ability to marshal resources to solve new ones.
@sameQCU @tszzl Can on Hic Et Nunc, actually.
@UrsulaV > Since most of the AI art programs output very small
Protip: colab.research.google.com/drive/1k2Zod6kโฆ
Prompt: a vision of paradise. unreal engine
(CLIP + BigGAN) https://t.co/sLthKdpMZc
These are anachronistic in that they're done with ViT-B/16 CLIP but:
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@KrehnSolutions @RiversHaveWings This is the original, but results will be worse because it uses ViT-B/32 CLIP.
colab.research.google.com/drive/1NCceX2mโฆ
@0xGray x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
Prompt: starry night by cyberpunk
(Guided CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [Conceptual Captions 12 Million]) https://t.co/NeCdeLDvrc
Prompt: a good amphetamine spirit
(BigGAN + CLIP [BigGAN-deep-512]) https://t.co/b4I1NVIMKN
Prompt: A Mysterious Orb by Andy Warhol
(BigGAN + CLIP [BigGAN-deep-512]) https://t.co/aTsLijqKA9
@KrehnSolutions @RiversHaveWings I'm not using that notebook to generate these, for what it's worth.
Before the end there will probably be some moment of calm anticipating the final storm where it would make sense for us to stop, breathe, then say our mutual goodbyes and parting thoughts.
We won't know that though so we'll spend it chaotically instead.
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
This isn't meant to be a commentary on anything in particular, it just occurred to me that:
1. This is both true and sad.
2. The best mitigation is probably to point it out early and arrange some time for us to do that before the natural point we'll all miss.
@deepfates https://t.co/f8jJLRgnef
Leftists want the market to be dysfunctional so people hate capitalism and rightists want social programs to be dysfunctional so people hate socialism. Together they create a country where nothing works.
Many such cases. x.com/hormeze/statusโฆ
@mattparlmer x.com/nickcammarata/โฆ
@nosilverv I figured this out months and months ago when I was first looking to sell on NFT platforms and did my market research. It turns out the expensive NFTs are pretty much universally avatar series because NFTs are a social identity thing. Social identity is ugly, art is pretty.
@nosilverv There's no alpha in packaging up your understanding of the zeitgeist so other people who aren't even there can make money.
Kind of guy who one boxes on Newcomb's but believes the strong Efficient Market Hypothesis.
If you think the joke is "that $20 on the ground couldn't be real" you're ngmi.
2021 has been a crazy year for AI art! As part of an exhibit at @rechnenderraum I've generated 5 grids from a set of 64 prompts across different models @RiversHaveWings and I have used over the year. Grids have been made for BigGAN, WikiArt StyleGAN2, VQGAN, and CC12M. https://t.co/ITqe1SflL6
The 64 prompts used for the grids below. Each category is a column, so (1,1) is Lincoln and (1,2) is Obama: https://t.co/3pxG7AcvL8
As a bonus, the fifth grid is MetFaces2, which shows what these prompts look like when the model used with CLIP is limited to a narrow domain: https://t.co/mQMrkb1gf8
BigGAN + CLIP by @advadnoun was the first method we used in February, followed by the StyleGAN models in March/April, then VQGAN in April/May/June, and finally diffusion models such as OpenAI's 256x256 unconditional model from July onwards.
It's only 'baffling' if you don't think these people are in extreme bad faith, i.e. explicit saboteurs reaching for anything to stick to the plan (collapse/genocide in the form of 'degrowth') as things go sideways for them. x.com/patrickc/statuโฆ
@LapsusLima @seagullsbutno @generativist x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@LapsusLima @seagullsbutno @generativist x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
You just need to read one of the BoredApe people's timelines for 5 minutes to understand Tumblr Brutalism is history, they have the strongest aura of evil I've ever encountered. Tumblr can't compete with it.
The truth is if Hansonian ems were invented tomorrow a small army of hyperintelligent fetishists and psychic trauma cases would line up to be turned into capital first. There would be no shortage of volunteers.
@nosilverv Forgiving who you are for what you stand to gain.
@egregirls x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@egregirls x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
Oh hey ZeroHP wrote a story about this:
zerohplovecraft.wordpress.com/2021/07/07/donโฆ x.com/hypervisible/sโฆ
@0xVatnik @RokoMijic x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@algekalipso The first one actually challenges my worldview in a way I suspect the other three don't. So that.
@Virtual1nstinct > ah so you're complicit in your own interpersonal commoditization.
I do this explicitly as an act of martyrdom/altruism.
@Virtual1nstinct I know it feels really smug and satisfying to try and diagnose people with traumas and psychiatric conditions they don't have over the Internet, but it's actually a really bad habit the postrats normalize and you'll cringe looking back on it later.
@Virtual1nstinct > if you define your worth by your heart, by your love and emotions
The real blackpill will be when it dawns on you, far too late, that there are no miracles at work in these either and they too can be replicated by capital. It's like the people who thought art was untouchable. https://t.co/lsKwTe6Z8k
@nosilverv This is a general pattern with online groups tbh. It happened to LessWrong too. LW starts off engaging with lots of outside ideas (e.g. cognitive bias, Bayes, the classic Sequences stuff) then degenerated into much as it started engaging mostly with itself.
@nosilverv The most deranged concepts are produced through incest, because they're adversarial examples against your ideology/blindspots/modal group phenotype.
Best cure is exogamy. Touch grass, read a real book that isn't a set piece in The Discourse, kiss someone.
@nosilverv ๐DO๐AN๐OBJECT๐LEVEL๐PROJECT๐
"There's a sense in which stating the thesis of postrat is to have refuted it." x.com/ESYudkowsky/stโฆ
I knew postrat was dead cozy walking when I read this because it means COVID and the rest killed the animating spirit: Conspicuously fucking off while Rome burns. Enough of Rome is now burning that this is no longer possible. x.com/selentelechia/โฆ
Could you all do yourselves a huge favor and not scapegoat each other trying to figure out who killed the vibe? You were always doing a perverse unsustainable thing and it isn't anyone's particular fault that thing is at the end of its lifespan.
@AmandaAskell To me cherry picking is synonymous with 'selection bias', which includes good and bad examples.
@prerationalist Yes this is precisely the behavior there is a fight over.
@nosilverv Couldn't imagine a more fitting bookend to the postrat saga than an intangible conflict over unstated differences while the remnants of the intellectual bloc head for the door during the commotion. Not schism, but exit.
@nosilverv Feel like a lot of the key to the latter is they optimize for gatekeeping them making you look/feel like a bad person. Only very high disagreeable people can do it reliably.
@nosilverv greaterwrong.com/posts/jP583FwKโฆ https://t.co/lCnln27kQI
Postrat (n.)
Someone who escaped society to study the Vedas but ended up contemplating society instead.
For the people who wrote the Upanishads see x.com/eigenrobot/staโฆ
Do you ever get really tired and lay down to find yourself in the place between sleep and wakefulness only to suddenly shake yourself awake from having temporarily achieved no-self? Just the passive experience of bliss as an animal being under warm blankets, mind empty.
@jo1tickitsune @zakarum4 @killerstorm @eevee @PaulC04 @RiversHaveWings They do. That's why people jump ship from proof-of-work chains like ethereum to proof-of-stake chains like Tezos or Solana. @RiversHaveWings also refuses on principle to use proof-of-work chains because it's a waste of energy.
@nosilverv Funny I was just thinking today how my timeline is bad because I suppress my emotions and I suppress my emotions because joy would look like shouting "YOU PEOPLE ARE MAKING ME READ *ABSOLUTE GARBAGE* SO I CAN REFUTE IT" at the timeline.
@nosilverv e.g. I'm reading this right now and holy hell this lady is seduced by the cult leader because she has never encountered counterculture before and every page makes me cringe and I feel so bad for her but what does this have to do with LessWrong jfc
x.com/QiaochuYuan/stโฆ
@nosilverv egregore that improves its rate of reproduction by making its refutation a tedious exhausting slog xD
@nosilverv And I know I can stop at any time right? Nobody is making me do this, I can just go read good things...
But then I remember that means I am ceding my side of the conversation to outright embarrassing garbage like this: x.com/ESYudkowsky/stโฆ
Paranoid energy on the timeline today.
"If people end up feeling good and more open, they mistakenly conclude that whatever promoted it must also be true and good."
Reading The Guru Papers rn and it's mostly just reinforcing my existing belief that 'vibes' are an abuser concept. https://t.co/4K1OqR4yjS
"The word cult is used in a specific way to refer to groups with an authoritarian structure where the leader's power is not constrained by scripture, tradition, or any other 'higher' authority."
'Vibe' often means not "trust your feelings" but "trust MY feelings". https://t.co/Opo0anD9Yn
@sashachapin x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@sashachapin x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
"No matter what position you take, you are always shown to be missing the point; the point being that the guru knows something you do not." https://t.co/D6J5LITGHF
I'll believe our society is starting to get its bearings when this 'joke' gets you arrested as an international terrorist. x.com/m1guelpf/statuโฆ
gm Twitter
I'm trying this again now that the site is falling apart and I'm seeing Urbit in the wild more often. x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
Prompt: cyberpunk tokyo street stall, trending on artstation
(Guided CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [Conceptual Captions 12 Million]) https://t.co/V7IIMsKdGI
@nosilverv In my upcoming postrat essay I criticize @QiaochuYuan's framing of LessWrong rationality as a cult for focusing its attention on the wrong kind of religion. It's much more akin to Protestant ideas of sola scriptura except Aquinas's book of nature is the source of consensus truth. https://t.co/4fQxMW7ieM
@nosilverv @QiaochuYuan This is an A+ book by the way, very relevant to the subject. For example it gives you the opportunity to notice that the "Western Canon" is actually the religious education of a Protestant elite divorced from its original context of preparing a student to read the Greek bible.
@nosilverv @QiaochuYuan amazon.com/History-Characโฆ
@algekalipso Would be curious what you think the commonality between those is. Is it something like ego/identity politik?
@nosilverv @QiaochuYuan I also introduce the subject by noting that LessWrong Rationality was very much a failure for theoretically and sociologically unfixable reasons. An interesting and worthwhile failure from which many good things can sprout, but ultimately a failure:
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@nosilverv @QiaochuYuan Partially feel like postrat has never gotten the critique it deserves because no author has been willing to start from the recognition that postrat followed from real updates and shifts in consensus around LW rationality which put the founding premises into checkmate.
@nosilverv @michaelcurzi @eigenrobot @slatestarcodex Your pinned tweet is literally about how you want to be a cow.
x.com/nosilverv/statโฆ
@nosilverv I mean define 'mistake theorist' here.
Most bullish statement on TikTok I've heard yet t.co/NoQ9oqoQAG
@deepfates x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
Prompt: entering into the realm of the transhumanist immortals in the 21st century dreamtime — Ross Tran
(Guided CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [Conceptual Captions 12 Million]) https://t.co/ireJ7gcvur
@chaosprime @ersatz_0001 Got em again, Satan.
@nosilverv > participants react to observation attempts by increasing their efforts to hide them
Hidden assumption in here that it is always possible to keep concealing the conspiracy by putting in more effort.
liberaugmen.com/#pattern-captuโฆ
Regrowing a strategy is harder than losing a tactic.
@RokoMijic I personally know two real people this definitely happened to, long term/permanent loss of taste/smell going on 12+ months.
@nosilverv I know when I read mine I was still basically recognizable in it, you too?
@nosilverv When I was in 5th grade they taught us about ancient Egypt, and I immediately knew I was being lied to by omission because ancient Egypt had nothing to do with my life. Later in high school I pulled a book about the history of Soviet Russia off the shelf because it felt hidden.
@nosilverv I kept reading history books and biographies until I got a good idea of what things had happened in recent history and why. I also soaked in the various gurus of the zeitgeist like Paul Graham, Yudkowsky, etc. Eventually you get a good sense for what's important and what isn't.
@nosilverv I also obsessively read news services like Hacker News and Reddit until they stopped having insight for me.
@nosilverv Another important component was encountering people who made me anxious I might be wrong and kind of Aumann's Agreement Theorem engaging with them until I got to the bottom of the anxiety. A note of caution: This can get very toxic quickly, pace yourself and be kind.
if we just vibe long enough the arctic will flip to reveal a dance party waiting for us on the other side uwu x.com/nvpkp/status/1โฆ https://t.co/Frgf6StRxH
> - can gambletech fix healthcare?
*squints*
You...you mean health insurance? x.com/erenbali/statuโฆ
@tszzl How could outgroup do this.
Getting gaslit by a cozy about the existence of huge problems in the world? Just say no.
Cozies cannot gaslight you without your consent, if one tries send back a screenshot of a blackpill. They'll run screaming.
@visakanv I sell SciFi art NFTs and also take commissions, DM me for details on latter:
gallery.jdpressman.com https://t.co/VM0I8qPepT
@nosilverv You can believe both of these at once.
youtube.com/watch?v=nGmETzโฆ
A better model is that those aspects of humanism and civil rights which benefit unrestrained capital are selected to be implemented, while those which impede it are delayed or memory holed. x.com/nosilverv/statโฆ https://t.co/o7Cb0Uoa5m
@Ted_Underwood @OpenAI @advadnoun @RiversHaveWings Sees through the charm of doctors and their wives~
youtube.com/watch?v=OkeqjOโฆ
@nosilverv My upcoming essay, "Why I Am Not A Postrat"
@jackinlondon @meekaale @nosilverv x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@Meaningness > I am grumping about this because Iโve done days of reading philosophy that will probably get condensed into a single footnote in my next web page.
I know that feel. The worst part is that you know you did the research but have no clear way to costly signal this to the reader.
Kind of guy who declares themselves illegible by fiat, expecting to be immune to inference as if declaring oneself invisible rendered others blind.
If this is the dream time, then it stands to reason that as we pass into the singularity winners and losers will be chosen.
One by one the dreams will begin to die.
Is yours dead yet? x.com/SamoBurja/statโฆ
"Follow me into this carefully constructed trap of nested symbols I've constructed."
"No, actually. But thanks for the offer."
"But you're in bad faith if you don't!"
"I don't think that's how this works actually."
You, a peasant: Letting oils and residues from food get all over your electronics unless you wash your hands.
Me, rationalist autistic royalty: Wearing a vinyl glove for the salt and vinegar chips.
We are not the same.
Prompt: A vision of Santa's workshop, The machine elves making toys in the style of DMT
(Guided CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [Conceptual Captions 12 Million]) https://t.co/01ajXk4EUH
At the party of astrologers, the Christmas tide was due.
On the way to Aldebaran: the dance, the dream, and you.
Actuals and counterclaims dancing all the time
Dancing in the corridor and the dance was Time...
youtube.com/watch?v=iexgBFโฆ
@Aella_Girl 1. Find group that is epistemically unsound but high openness and therefore deeply attached to words like 'curiosity'.
2. Describe them as incurious in frank, uncompromising terms.
3. Tweet to 90k person following.
4. Successfully hurt people who can only be taught through pain.
@nosilverv A great portion of my interest in the AI art is that it will let people do non-ironic visual expressions of their ideas and reduce the power of absurd nihilism.
Prompt: a crowd christmas carolers singing outside your doorstep in the snowy street, watercolor on canvas
(Guided CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [Conceptual Captions 12 Million]) https://t.co/FjZWNwBZBj
Prompt: a hacker's christmas full of retrocomputers, gadgets, and electronics around and on their workshop workbench
(Guided CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [Conceptual Captions 12 Million]) https://t.co/GzgOMVs2sv
So does anyone else remember the time our parents bought us common sense AI training sets that included nonexistent things like Christmas carolers?
youtube.com/watch?v=pLexppโฆ
Went back to take a look at this one by Humongous Entertainment and it's bizarre in retrospect.
What made this game so memorable for me is its unique, brutalist aesthetic, which is something like 'conceptual realism'. Everything is rendered as a cartoon, but the cartoons focus on the materialism of their subjects. Like photorealism in mspaint. https://t.co/qHVNe5TDsP
I don't think I ever played the full game, just a demo of it. But it was developed by Humongous Entertainment, most famous for their work on games like Pajama Sam and Spy Fox. Going from that to the beige 20th century modernism of Let's Explore The Airport was jarring but fun. https://t.co/4xmXpYEwJX
Let's Explore the Airport is made even more weird by its narrator Buzzy, who often shows up on a still matte painting to describe what is supposed to happen in it (presumably because they lacked the budget for more animation). This gives the game a creepy liminal space feeling. https://t.co/aPvEgFSOvd
"Children's media" is pretty much always propaganda. This moment where he Explains With Cheery Affect how he can't sleep on planes is a particularly revealing one, the core aesthetic lesson stated explicitly as "it's okay for modernism to uncomfortably control your body". https://t.co/RKW554YdZw
The most fascinating aspect of the game's educational content is the way it depicts modernism as a kind of designed fantasy world. Technical details are described in the same register as 'first class' and 'tourist class', sociology is engineered and baked into the plane design. https://t.co/0N5X8EXlsp
In conclusion: Does anyone know what the real name for 'conceptual realism' as an art style is? Because dang these illustrations are BOSS. What do I have to put into CLIP to get it to draw this 90's lo-fi materialist aesthetic? https://t.co/02Wh8lknT0
@vgr @deepfates > and the limits of disembodied computing.
Have any favorite papers/talks for this?
@nosilverv x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@ThanksThoth Jokes on you I love the tamagotchis.
@nosilverv Alright you're very close now, you just need to internalize the Hutter thesis and you'll be free of postrat.
@nosilverv https://t.co/sCCYAhFoEb
@nosilverv Things like vocoders use a predictor to reconstruct what someones voice probably sounded like over a low bandwidth channel. Prediction and compression are *direct analogues* unifying epistemology and probability theory. EY talks about Bayes but it should be information theory.
@nosilverv Very straightforward example: A diffusion model is trained by noising images until they're barely perceptible, and then training a neural network to reverse the noise steps. Given a sufficiently powerful model it can eventually reconstruct a facsimile of the image from near noise
@nosilverv Here's the magic: If you then take that model and present it with noise that never corresponded to any original image in the first place, it will dutifully hallucinate new imagery for you.
@nosilverv amazon.com/Silicon-Dreamsโฆ https://t.co/Dk8igPA2Gj
@nosilverv This is why e.g. Cartwright objecting to the idea of universal law on the grounds that you have to modify them for local situations doesn't really matter even if it's true, all you've done is insist that the laws are a lossy model satisfying optimality criteria.
Three Kinds Of Guy enter a scene together with the goal of having fun, mutually unaware of each others value function... https://t.co/gBjabm2jbD
@passiveye I think a lot of it is a kind of escapism, the idea of regressing back to a state of being taken care of by someone else. Giving up on 'adulting'. If your situation sucks and you're helpless to fix it why retain the pain-inducing machinery for noticing?
@nosilverv It's not really a mask, you just modify the image in memory and it infers what it was like. But otherwise yeah exactly.
@nosilverv But the really important thing is the idea that "predicts well" is the same thing as compression is the same thing as insight. Insight is when you can explain more of your experiences using a general rule or principle. Even if those rules are imperfect they're still high leverage
@nosilverv youtube.com/watch?v=YyIQKBโฆ
Another example: Mathematics had to be invented. But engineering existed before mathematics! How it worked was you built a building and recorded if it fell down. Huge libraries of empirical observations, math compresses that.
@ExistentialEnso The trick here is that these people only want a functional system if it plays to their comparative advantage (e.g. social organizing/norms/etc). i.e. They're not really on "team rich" or "team poor" but "team socially skilled" vs. "team principled systems".
@ExistentialEnso You will notice for example that the people that hate NFTs the most (e.g. furries) are the ones who have stable patterns of patronage built on complicated social norms which NFTs compete with. Furry is a good way to make money if you have friends, NFTs are accessible to outsiders
@ExistentialEnso restofworld.org/2021/inside-brโฆ
@nosilverv Yeah, and once you internalize this a lot of weird confusions just dissolve. The map doesn't *represent* the territory it *compresses* it. If you find that sometimes weird artifacts result from that...what were you even expecting lmao.
If I was DanG I would close Hacker News as a brand embarrassment to YCombinator. In lieu of this, I petition to rename the site to "Hater News".
@ExistentialEnso Exhibit A: x.com/arthur_affect/โฆ
@ExistentialEnso Such people are extremely useful for seeing the real animating force behind the thin veneer of 'reason' put over their reactionary opinions:
x.com/deepfates/statโฆ
@arthur_affect @ExistentialEnso I have been blessed, thank you. โค๏ธ
@prerationalist They'll just make that 'rude' too, so make sure to record your results carefully and publicize them well.
@chaosprime x.com/deepfates/statโฆ
@Alephwyr @varunramg I am absolutely down for prickly twitter.
@jack_meditates2 @nosilverv Obligatory other perspective: greaterwrong.com/posts/TiG8cLkBโฆ
@deepfates I got put on this, I think someone is doing a bit.
x.com/i/lists/145562โฆ
@deepfates Maybe I don't post enough math-aesthetic kitsch to qualify as a rat in vibe so I'm considered a postrat by default?
This is a very good post which is not advertised well here. It's providing an interpretation of the economy where success is achieved through access to debt (i.e. political coalition) rather than raw production of goods (i.e. ostensible social purpose of the economy). x.com/ben_r_hoffman/โฆ https://t.co/0xKbOVsHAR
If you're not able to explain your obscure models in a series of concrete examples that's a code smell. x.com/Malcolm_Ocean/โฆ
@Austen deccanherald.com/national/west/โฆ
You need to be getting immune. You need to be putting on antibodies. You need to be maxxing constantly. Megadosing vitamin D3, K, fluvoxamine, moderna, pfizer, J&J, astrozeneca, radvac, variolation, smithglaxokline and P100 and face shield. You need to get a blood clot.
@jessi_cata "Sir, you are not 'based and vaxxmaxxed', you are under arrest for 13 counts of forging a vaccine card."
@egregirls Everyone makes fun of the dick pill companies but tbh that they're in the business of making money rather than selling dick pills implies they're some of the only dynamic capitalist elements in the economy (as opposed to managerial-corporate-aristocracy).
@alicemazzy IDK, I find that it's all bullshit kind of motivating tbh. Like, makes it clearer how much alpha there is left to extract. If everything was well managed, young people would be screwed.
@alicemazzy Definitely. To be clear things being bullshit is an emergency-catastrophe and should be fixed at the earliest opportunity. Just, it's not exactly a good reason to stop trying to do anything.
@alicemazzy One of the things I really enjoyed about Vagrant Holiday's video on train hopping is the way it accidentally becomes a documentary about the dysfunction of the American cargo train system:
youtube.com/watch?v=-PIP8Nโฆ
Had never heard of how bad it apparently is until then.
@vgr Going by your earlier threads you have no idea how quickly AI is going to arrive. https://t.co/XmddQzoXIa
@maybeelse Meanwhile on the cutting edge of mask technology:
microclimate.com/pages/detail-1 https://t.co/klJUG8pr5v
@maybeelse "Sorry honey, the HEPA filter collar and sealed helmet stay on during sex so I don't risk catching COVID. You wouldn't ask me not to use a condom would you?"
@nosilverv https://t.co/oUFe65JrEH
@nosilverv You're making a type error.
'Intelligence' is both operations. Compression is one, inference is the other.
@nosilverv Also "intelligence *is* compression" is a slight simplification. There's almost certainly other frames we could use to describe theoretically equivalent things we're reasonably certain are equivalent to intelligence. But compression is elegant.
@nosilverv My gestalt impression is that 'action' is the Fristonian answer to your question but I don't understand in detail how that's supposed to work right now.
@nosilverv But then I'm not sure anyone else in the thread giving it as a cached answer does either: https://t.co/JCEqSpvSaR
@s_r_constantin @HiFromMichaelV @jessi_cata Not just that but if the reasons you're untrustworthy are systemic/structural there is in fact an actual asymmetry in how well you can see the reasons you're untrustworthy vs. how well others can, it might not even be good to try convincing them you're trustworthy in principle.
@DrNickA @RokoMijic Got bad news for you, coronavirus immunity is usually short lived(?) so it might be regardless.
@DrNickA @RokoMijic Well realistically how this played out in the past was lots of people died from diseases all the time and we just sort of shrugged it off. Our society is not used to that equilibrium and won't be for a while, if this thing comes back every year to chip off 1% of the population.
@VividVoid_ You're really cheesy but it always felt rude to snark on it.
@VividVoid_ Nah I'm a jerk, but you're clearly making a lot of people really happy and I respect that. ๐
Never forget how ahead of its time this game was.
youtube.com/watch?v=feY5Khโฆ
@NathanpmYoung Mm, only if they can actually temper expectations this time and admit that we simply don't know if it's possible for this not to turn into another tuberculosis.
As a bonus they could also hurry up with those nasal vaccines, people don't like needles.
@mattparlmer > Liberals and anarchists who have made peace with the realities of power and take them into account are hilariously OP'd
That man's name? Chairman Mao.
@Alephwyr One of the more terrifying AI scenarios is that humans turn out to be basically specialized with heavy inductive biases while artificial neural networks are much more general intelligence, which is why they need so many more resources to train.
@apex_simmaps "You need to be huge" tweet but it's about globalization and juicing stonk numbers.
@AFamilyofducks1 @BimboPolitic youtube.com/watch?v=Si7dl6โฆ
@Alephwyr The application to people who are half-correct about something should be obvious:
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@Alephwyr I honestly think it's more like people who are enmeshed in certain subcultures have weirdly domain specific cognition about stuff. Like they can apply the correct methods of thinking to anything so long as it doesn't conflict with the premises of their subculture membership.
@Alephwyr Inference for thee but not for me.
@dystopiabreaker @tszzl x.com/WillManidis/stโฆ
@owenbroadcast I think one 'good faith' mechanism by which this can happen is that someone is writing on a deadline and the thing they're saying is based on their gestalt impression/expert knowledge of a subject but they don't have a specific source at hand so they cite something tangential.
t.co/wqCCUE5wRl https://t.co/62uUBgTiIz
@TetraspaceWest But Cartwright told me that universal laws don't exist! You're telling me metaphysics are like, *real*? That's just your opinion sister!
@TetraspaceWest I can compress the result of an unbiased coinflip into less than one bit any time I want and you can't stop me uwu
If the relative bottom n% fitness men are bullied into suicide or depression (e.g. inceldom) then we should expect the equilibrium number of trans women to be a double digit percent of the male population (20-60%) once fertile and passing is the default outcome of transition.
Prompt: Steve Russell opening a gate to hell with the PDP-1 minicomputer, Oil on canvas, trending on artstation https://t.co/gOGyUK7Kvh
Based on this Creative Commons licensed photo by Alex Handy. However I believe the outputs are transformative enough to qualify as fair use.
flickr.com/photos/4445157โฆ https://t.co/3SMwvvdcnb
Steve Russell ponders the orb. https://t.co/kdMOuT85R3
@ESYudkowsky Been pondering the orb again?
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ https://t.co/mHb9GTPIb9
x.com/nosilverv/statโฆ https://t.co/tpSdfk3AbZ
@ahmadaIanazi @RiversHaveWings Oh, tens of thousands perhaps. Or more.
With the angle of the cue card text right https://t.co/Np951xpavM
@TetraspaceWest No no I think that's *reading* memes.
Besides everyone knows ADHD isn't real, it's just a trauma response.
uwu
@TetraspaceWest This Is What Postrats Actually Believe
x.com/nosilverv/statโฆ
@PrinceVogel x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@PrinceVogel In fairness Robin Hanson has described our period as the dream time and I include this entry in Liber Augmen referencing/elaborating on it.
overcomingbias.com/2009/09/this-iโฆ https://t.co/1QbNXWsgT4
Prompt: An oil painting of The New York City Skyline by Natalia Goncharova
(CFG CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [cc12m finetune]) https://t.co/P0Z9FxbxEQ
The implications of this will need to be reexamined with human indistinguishable voice spoofing soon to arrive for the general public. x.com/nillkitty/statโฆ
Prompt: sketch of a 3D printer by Leonardo da Vinci
(CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [cc12m cfg finetune]) https://t.co/sLrTtSvL1M
@LapsusLima youtube.com/watch?v=nZLSqRโฆ
Last time
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
The time before that
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@andymmmmc > (CLIP Guided Diffusion [Chainbreakers/@RiversHaveWings WikiArt 243m])
> (Guided CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [Conceptual Captions 12 Million])
> (CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [cc12m cfg finetune])
What usually happens, better models.
@tszzl @chaosprime Well he's using 'preference falsification cascade' the wrong way around maybe?
I think he means that the enlightenment people psyop'd everyone into rationality they didn't actually want on reflection.
Mussolini's defection from the socialist movement was the cancer that prevented a international revolution from ever taking place. Instead of getting 4 red countries in Europe, they got fascist Italy, Germany, and Spain. After WW2 winning wasn't viable but the charade went on.
The legacy of 'fascist' as the ultimate insult in left wing circles speaks to this defeat without recognizing it. Contemporary Marxism is just a sad rage lost in a sea of fog. A phantom railing more and more bitterly against what is in the service of what might have been.
It's interesting to consider the whims on which destiny is made. Mussolini's sadomasochism more or less ensured not just that socialism would fail to become the dominant ideology in his generation, but that its adherents would never succeed. https://t.co/8Ue35H6PDz
@NonMurkyConsqnc @The_taking_tree @jessi_cata Thinking everything is about trauma is just a trauma response.
Prompt: cozy cyberpunk capsule hotel, trending on artstation
(CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [cc12m cfg finetune]) https://t.co/OOOwLLgEdt
Protip: If you put 'royalty free' at the start of your prompt CLIP will remove the watermarks.
Prompt: [royalty free]/[] vector illustration of a bodhisattva sitting at a beige white CRT monitor desktop computer https://t.co/ZHhIUaD5Qs
t.co/yfMi23H4m9 https://t.co/1oyZmkaGP8
From Scott Aaronson's dunk on postrat a decade before its invention:
scottaaronson.com/writings/selfdโฆ
@VividVoid_ Humanism was a mistake.
@World4Pete @interfluidity @felixsalmon NFTs are probably the first serious use of IPFS in the wild tbh.
@VividVoid_ medium.com/@blaisea/do-laโฆ https://t.co/RFTldlcPQN
@VividVoid_ I am begging you to consider that there might be more forms of intelligence and understanding than are suggested by anthropic comparisons.
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
(Not just that tweet but the whole thread is relevant)
@VividVoid_ Good question. So if you go and read e.g. Hutter he will basically write that he's ignoring anti-inductive environments and assumes the agent should be rewarded for applying Occam's Razor even when it doesn't work.
This is...a take. But "embodiment" is an even dumber take imo. https://t.co/saLtEbJ445
@VividVoid_ In all likelihood the best way to deal with anti-inductive environments is to consider them ecologically. e.g. There's no "best choice" in rock-paper-scissors, but there might be social coordination or metagame which makes a certain choice locally more useful than others.
@VividVoid_ (Quote from: arxiv.org/pdf/0712.3329.โฆ)
@VividVoid_ For a contrasting perspective see Chollet's "On The Measure Of Intelligence" which is explicitly anthropic.
arxiv.org/pdf/1911.01547โฆ
But still basically information theoretic in approach.
@VividVoid_ > and no semantic attachment to familiar metaphors
Multimodal models help fix this. Eventually the thing that draws those pretty pictures you see on my timeline and the thing that writes the funny tweets will be one model which can draw on its understanding of both.
@dystopiabreaker 'm*tamask' 'support'
@VividVoid_ "A great building must begin with the unmeasurable, must go through measurable means when it is being designed and in the end must be unmeasurable."
- Louis Kahn
@VividVoid_ The ineffability of the gaps is a dying god.
@VividVoid_ We're at the "accepted with disappointment that you would never fly" stage of modernism, but this next part... https://t.co/V6u8joHcIU
@manipulanda @VividVoid_ @deepfates I'm not even sure it's a matter of "real world" so much as "fails to understand objects". It's usually believed that humans have inductive priors around what an 'object' is that artificial neural networks don't share yet.
@VividVoid_ Respectfully,
1) What's your emotional relationship to this subject? i.e. Are key elements of your life strategy relying on AGI not working well?
2) What observations would change your mind? What does the world look like where you're correct vs. incorrect?
@CarlBeijer x.com/RiversHaveWingโฆ
@kausch @deepfates @VividVoid_ This is incidental to your point, but we already deploy customer help lines with the explicit mandate that the human on the other end use a flow chart to solve the users problem. Original and 'out of distribution' thinking is explicitly punished by most call centers.
@dystopiabreaker The last time I asked for a pro-NFT essay, nobody replied with one.
This is the cope time: the final year(s) where 20th century humanism will seem like a remotely sane frame to consider humanity's problems through. After that what will follow is deep despair and nihilism from the people who bet big on it.
deviantart.com/techgnotic/jouโฆ
20th century humanism is to the humanities as high modernism/scientism is to natural philosophy.
It's just guys writing "Don't Invent The Torment Nexus: A Novel" over and over without any actual plan for how we are going to deal with having the capacity to invent and deploy the torment nexus.
x.com/TetraspaceWestโฆ
@zetalyrae I thought the article I linked in the OP was a pretty central example. Human potential movement, "it's all vibes just let your authentic self out", Jackson Pollock, "what we need here is a revolution", problems framed by default as existing on the human scale, etc.
@zetalyrae "Level-1 or world space is an anthropomorphically scaled, predominantly vision-configured, massively multi-slotted reality system that is obsolescing very rapidly.
Garbage time is running out.
Can what is playing you make it to level-2?"
- Nick Land, Fanged Noumena
@patlouiswilkie @vgr It's from this tweet referencing a whole genre of dystopian science fiction novels: x.com/AlexBlechman/sโฆ
@MikePFrank @nosilverv mattmahoney.net/dc/rationale.hโฆ
Kinda shocking how rarely it's pointed out that anyone who is a genuinely good programmer almost has to have developed Kegan 5 skills. x.com/flybottlemist/โฆ
@flybottlemist Yeah, it's weird how some people fail to generalize but at least in principle if you think that systems are 'objective' in the way a naive Kegan 4 person does you're simply not going to understand computer science concepts like 'compilers' and 'weird machines' in a intuitive way.
@flybottlemist Also shocking how often people fail to do this, yes. https://t.co/Hw8CaSMbqm
@ollyrobot x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
Been feeling a bit melancholy about the zeitgeist these last few months. It seems like the old subcultures and scenes are evaporating without exciting new ones to replace them. The proliferation of dramas is an ignoble way for them to go as well. Dying of old age, natural causes. https://t.co/R2HdMMtBg2
Perhaps the age of the generalist will be over soon, all the low hanging fruit having been plucked by 2000's and 2010's fora. I may just have to accept that scenes of the future will have a narrower scope than I'm used to, specialist discourses less concerned with each other.
Even SlateStarCodex, the previous standard bearer of the intelligent public generalist intellectual, has become much more focused on the specialist discourse of psychiatry in its latest incarnation as AstralCodexTen. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it's a different thing.
@eigenrobot That's fine, maybe people don't always have to understand each other.
@eigenrobot Though it may be to your advantage to try and explain it to me, even if only in private. Since I'm about halfway through writing an essay about postrat which will if nothing else convincingly misrepresent it if I don't understand it.
@deepfates https://t.co/N9ug8ea0rk
@eigenrobot FWIW I'm politely spam filtering this as x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@averykimball @eigenrobot Yeah, actually. Why?
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@averykimball @eigenrobot I don't vibe with it.
@averykimball @eigenrobot That which is asserted with vibes can be dismissed with vibes.
@PurpleWhale12 There's a tendency to see the bad in change and neglect the good. LessWrong's pivot to AI discourse is likely better for the site than insight porn farming. Eleuther AI, biohacking, crypto are better places for people to be putting their energy than this:
srconstantin.wordpress.com/2014/06/09/do-โฆ
Prompt: royalty free samurai with their sword drawn facing the viewer, oil on canvas, trending on arstation
(CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [cc12m cfg finetune]) https://t.co/zl0tE7vPQl
These reflect the fact that when an organization (or nation) is in decline the act of reforming it to be successful under new conditions is essentially a new founding period. America is on its 3rd or 4th republic depending on how you want to count it.
There's actually four founding myths of America, which are believed by different subsets of the population.
1. The founding fathers 1776 myth
2. The Abraham Lincoln 1865 emancipation myth
3. The 1945 WW2 FDR New Deal internationalism myth
4. The 1987 Reagan vs. the Soviets myth x.com/Lollardfish/stโฆ
Unsure if @SamoBurja has written about this before, but the dynamics of a long running re-founded organization developing split demographics around which founding myth is *the* founding myth seems like it would be a recurring pattern.
@Alephwyr @tszzl tfw slow dawning realization that you're in a simulation dedicated to parodying the life of the ancestor you're modeled after
Prompt: universal psychedelic love in the atomic age, mural
(CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [cc12m cfg finetune] + Diffusion Upscaler) https://t.co/HEqo8Gskp9
@michaelcurzi Go to any big poasters account and look at the tweet:follower ratio, do this for about 6-12 and the correlation will become obvious.
I'd rather not spoil this for you, actually do it.
Prompt: psychedelic buddhist detailed vector portrait of a cat smiling in the style of the milky way galaxy
(CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [cc12m cfg finetune] + Diffusion Upscaler) https://t.co/DeTvJhRusf
@Outsideness > โthe shallowest of them all โ has now succeeded,โ he wrote, โand it has done so in the shoddiest possible way,โ filling him with dread that Hitler would drive Germany and Europe towards disaster and discredit radical alternatives to liberalism for generations to come.
Well...
Prompt: royalty free stained glass psychedelic buddhist detailed vector portrait of a cat smiling in the style of the milky way galaxy
(CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [cc12m cfg finetune]) https://t.co/ROAR2K6UdV
@briandavidhall bash.org/?152037
@briandavidhall Someone else asked the same question and didn't get a comic as an answer, are you sure it exists?
reddit.com/r/xkcd/commentโฆ
@StinkenderKase @Ted_Underwood Prompt: a dark castle atop a steep mountain, with a single lamp burning in a high window
This isn't that far off from my imagination, but my imagination was different. I visualized the huge mountain, the little castle on top, and then a tiny speck of light near the top of it. https://t.co/r3XrrMQbOR
@Ted_Underwood @StinkenderKase x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@briandavidhall If it makes you feel any better, I totally thought there was a comic of it too and was mildly shocked to find there apparently isn't? I definitely remember the setup/premise with it specifically being Linux tech support though.
@RokoMijic @DistractedAnna > is a postrat
> registers as normie to me
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
Many such cases.
@RokoMijic @DistractedAnna Also convolution isn't biologically plausible because it involves weights tied across spatial positions.
@RokoMijic @DistractedAnna Shitposting aside my definition of postrat is honestly something like "Doesn't believe rationalist-y systems have outsized power + conflict theory."
The first is wrong, the second implemented poorly/naively. The chosen tactic in response to conflict theory is usually to hide.
@MacaesBruno At some point someone made a 'mega block' that just blocks any account who liked a particular tweet.
This isn't exactly true on either side but something like it is the case: x.com/alexandrosM/stโฆ
@vgr Happens sometimes. What are you going to do (what steps can you take now) so that you don't waste it again tomorrow?
A Brain-Computer-Interface Expands The Mind
Prompt: meditation circle wearing EEG caps wired to each others heads, trending on artstation
(Guided CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [Conceptual Captions 12 Million]) https://t.co/d0dSOS1Gq2
@imperative_the Empirically: They don't stand out in a hyper competitive social landscape without resorting to the social equivalent of pickup artistry.
@algekalipso One of the functions of religion is to form a pact to push back against people trying to persecute you for being weird in accordance with the demands of a higher calling.
Prompt: meditation circle wearing EEG caps wired to each others heads by ross tran
(Guided CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [cc12m]) https://t.co/ZLH7hNas10
So when are we going to talk about how this means life insurance premiums are going up and therefore cryonics will become more expensive?
archive.is/Z9zri
@jessi_cata Most of the damage is invisible I'm afraid. Part of why the flu still exists is that most flu damage is invisible too.
x.com/jeremychryslerโฆ
@jessi_cata cdc.gov/flu/highrisk/hโฆ https://t.co/juSZsI2H9i
@jessi_cata x.com/jeremychryslerโฆ
@jeremychrysler @jessi_cata Forget the deaths, I'm worried about this thing coming back every year and disabling 0.5-1% of the population.
@jeremychrysler @jessi_cata This whole pandemic has just been "deaths deaths deaths" and that's just not the thing to be worried about here. Yes there are deaths and they're terrible, but the quality of life decrease and loss of workforce will be bigger problems for society in the long run if not halted.
@deepfates youtube.com/watch?v=TBR9ypโฆ
@jessi_cata x.com/IanRicksecker/โฆ
@zebulgar @nosilverv youtube.com/watch?v=eBAhanโฆ
@Buddh_ish https://t.co/S4rMlxmjAn
@dendricide @Buddh_ish I was actually making the opposite point to support the tweet I was replying to.
mfers out here getting psyop'd so hard by modernity they wind up believing chickens aren't real
@ben_r_hoffman "Chickens don't suffer"
"They're not conscious bro"
@ben_r_hoffman https://t.co/mVzg2zne0E
@ben_r_hoffman Disrespecting your opponents and prey is probably a source of trauma:
acoup.blog/2020/04/16/colโฆ
@ben_r_hoffman It seems notable that even Ernst Junger, who reveled in the slaughter of WW1, was deeply hurt by his internalization of the concept of a slaughterhouse during WW2:
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@ben_r_hoffman Compare/contrast his attitude towards combat in WW1 as described in Storm of Steel with his wartime diaries during the Nazi era. https://t.co/DoOl2TwdXx
Prompt: psychedelic stained glass vector portrait of a cat by louis wain
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@Meaningness Christianity was defeated by something with no positive vision (New Atheism et al) so what resulted was a power vacuum rather than enlightenment.
@NicholasBardy @Meaningness Everyone remembers when he said "God is dead", but they forgot the rest of it. https://t.co/HJBIURXEpp
@NicholasBardy @Meaningness The materialist reincarnations of religion (which, to wit Chapman vividness.live/consumerism-fuโฆ I think will be fundamentalisms in spirit) are something I expect to be narratively central to the 21st century. But that might be optimistic, the alternative is noise sliding into death.
@LapsusLima My friend called it memepolitik
@ThisIsHipHop2 70s
10s (controversial but it's true, last decade was a golden era)
80s
60s
90s
00s
@ThisIsHipHop2 I could be persuaded to swap 60's and 90's tbh.
Spent a bit reflecting on what makes the 00's bottom for me and I think it's the way that pop music in that decade as a rule is either
a) vulgar soulless hiphop
b) literally written for high schoolers
c) emo/scene/pop-punk
@ThisIsHipHop2 All of these are kind of cringe for their own reasons, but the emo and scene stuff comes off especially privileged and silly with the benefit of hindsight. Like what were you people so upset about? You were objectively living in some of the nicest economic conditions in history.
@candrianillborn @metakuna As a guy who went back and read some General Semantics stuff, I don't think this is actually true. There's a lot of developments in epistemology that happened between Korzybski and Yudkowsky. e.g. information theory wasn't available to Korzybski when he was writing.
@candrianillborn @metakuna There was definitely a lot of influence, I'm just not sure I'd characterize it as 'most'.
@Ted_Underwood Yes. Thank your for recognizing this, I've talked to art curators who were almost offended by it. "A cheap trick to boost art that couldn't stand on its own merits."
@Ted_Underwood youtube.com/watch?v=ApWllXโฆ
@Ted_Underwood I would add that part of the message is not just the changing form but the power of the production process itself, it helps underscore the reality of art produced by capital rather than labor.
@Ted_Underwood It seems auspicious that Andy Warhol, the emblem of commercial art, was famous for his use of grids.
"I don't know what pill to call this but you should probably stop taking it"
@Alephwyr Hard to say without more details. Could be schizophrenia (i.e. dimensions of comparison which are only obvious to you), could be simply noncentral associations which you aren't capturing well with your words.
Prompt: a phoenix rising over the world, oil on canvas
(Guided CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [cc12m_1]) https://t.co/O6PLp63hRM
One attempt:
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
So one method I use for figuring out what to illustrate with the AI is to just go through my writing and look at things I've expressed interest in for inspiration.
Liber Augmen is hard mode because the concepts often have no premade visual language to express them. https://t.co/KnFivH1YK1
Another.
Prompt: aeriel drone view of an indian slum, oil on canvas
(CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [cc12m_1_cfg]) https://t.co/G7iWHTVvc0
Failed attempt.
Prompt: sonar emitted by an orb of white light amidst a crowd of red orbs filling the sea of dukkha duhkha, acrylic on canvas
(CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [cc12m_1_cfg]) https://t.co/yM2rHRcna7
A partial failure, worth retrying with different variations.
Prompt: a bodhisattva having an out of body experience as their astral projection flows from their body to aerially view the entire world
(CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [cc12m_1_cfg]) https://t.co/DX375YCVWK
Better, but still not good yet.
Prompt: royalty free artist's rendition of a bodhisattva having an out of body experience as their astral projection flows from their body to aerially view the entire world
(CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [cc12m_1_cfg]) https://t.co/q69P8qqlRC
There we go.
Prompt: royalty free artist's rendition of a bodhisattva having an out of body experience as their astral projection flows from their body to aerially view the slums of the world
(CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [cc12m_1_cfg]) https://t.co/FtEN6TB7VM
This one I'm stumped on, anyone want to suggest prompts? x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ https://t.co/u5cGbOegrO
Nope. Neither a jigsaw puzzle or a common cuckoo.
Prompt: a jigsaw puzzle of a cuckoo bird with a few pieces missing, acrylic on canvas
(CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [cc12m_1_cfg]) https://t.co/5O2LJmZrft
@JimDMiller You know the government is lying to you, it's up to you to figure out if they're lying about the vaccine (because it has more side effects than they want to admit) or they're lying about the virus (because it does more damage than they could admit and keep society upright).
@JimDMiller I suspect the answer is something like "Why not both?"
@JimDMiller And you can see that this split is pretty deeply ingrained even in the Twitter discourse. I routinely see people who think they're the lucky ones for not taking the vaccine while everyone who did will have health problems and vice versa.
@JimDMiller https://t.co/DkqwnfY9fn
Getting somewhere.
Prompt: a man cradling an infant chimera eldritch monster, acrylic on canvas
(Guided CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [cc12m_1]) https://t.co/l0YRL6ces7
Think I reached enlightenment looking at my Twitter feed last night. People who are quietly right all the time don't have much to say, people who are correctly suppressed for their dumb viewpoints vent by street preaching on the timeline. Wrong things have distribution advantage. https://t.co/fJu2NwIWXw
You just repeat a pigheaded thing enough times and people will start to believe it. Untrue things get repeated more often with more energy, therefore...
(Though if you really understand, me typing ๐ช wouldn't have been all that different)
@dystopiabreaker I mean there's better face GANs even now, not evenly distributed, few.
lambdalabs.com/blog/stylegan-โฆ
@tszzl @mattparlmer I've got you beat:
extropian.net/notice/9sKFpj1โฆ
At some point no amount of political pressure will be enough to stop us from noticing that psychic plagues are real. x.com/ripx4nutmeg/stโฆ
Per Jung: https://t.co/Z9Y9Xxz05O
Prompt: One student tested positive IN THE AUDITORIUM, and a few students started screaming and ran away from him. There was now a lack of available seats given there was a COVID-positive student within the middle of the auditorium, acrylic on canvas
(CLIP Conditioned Diffusion) x.com/neuroecology/sโฆ https://t.co/bDG3y6B0jf
@nosilverv I often wonder what a social network without the gamification and grinding mechanics would actually look like.
Prompt: an ammunition box full of MRE containers, acrylic on canvas
(CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [cc12m_1_cfg]) https://t.co/tmjjIQRdz7
If you seriously think you're going to fool a superintelligent AI this way and let it control your actions this hard you kinda deserve whatever happens to you tbh. x.com/aliceisplayingโฆ
@PrinceVogel It is usually accepted that artificial neural networks take so long to train because their inductive biases are worse than humans. That is, they take less for granted than we do. One disturbing possibility of this is that artificial networks are more general intelligence than us.
Always signal boost it when they reveal the real agenda. x.com/everestpipkin/โฆ
"We 'have no right' to incentives, we should just let outcomes be dictated by something economically rational that doesn't share our values."
x.com/everestpipkin/โฆ
@nosilverv youtube.com/watch?v=W0URhWโฆ
Intuitively humans seem to do counterfactuals just fine, would be my immediate objection. But that isn't exactly rigorous.
In How The Laws Of Physics Lie by Nancy Cartwright she argues that decision theory is busted because of Simpson's Paradox and counterfactuals being intractable. My intuition says this is wrong but I'm not entirely sure how to articulate what's wrong with it. Anyone know offhand?
Prompt: scifi illustration of a man inside a personal forcefield sphere as thought cloud bubbles bounce away from it
(Guided CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [cc12m_1]) https://t.co/YvUynDJgSj
@bmorphism --clip-guidance-scale 1000 --steps 500
@SporadicE5 oxford.universitypressscholarship.com/view/10.1093/0โฆ
@michael_nielsen I used to use Hacker News for this but then it became so low quality I stopped visiting it, very sad.
"Sir, you are not 'based and metarationality pilled', you are a romantic."
@dystopiabreaker But...why, anyone who uses that has to know not to give out their seed phrase right?
@jackmcaustin @dystopiabreaker moxie.org/2022/01/07/webโฆ
@deepfates Not sure I listen to any music which sounds like that.
@ExistentialEnso Whoever invented the right click meme is a marketing genius tbh, reliably hustles people into thinking they're being clever by giving NFTs more attention.
@ExistentialEnso @DastardlyDucks NFTs are repeatable performance art.
@ExistentialEnso NFTs are a practice for the sickest and most deranged capitalists. Each minting involves the cold blooded murder of a first born child, which determines the tokens value. NFTs intrinsically privilege the wealthy because their first born children are worth more. (๐งต1/213)
@deepfates Nah, sorry. I like my music to sound, you know, good.
youtube.com/watch?v=jGEk7rโฆ
@deepfates What were you expecting?
@deepfates Yeah, it sounds like Luigi Russolo got drunk and decided to find out what Pink Floyd would sound like if it was remixed beyond comprehensibility in the style of Leyland Kirby.
Which is awesome, but then so is Nickelback. ๐
youtube.com/watch?v=IC3KMbโฆ
@deepfates More seriously, if you enjoy that track you'd probably like Orbital's The Box.
youtube.com/watch?v=MWi_7Qโฆ
Hard to say why, similar-ish vibe somehow I guess.
@deepfates Part of it is that they're both very cinematic tracks, slow progressive build up with suspenseful composition. The Box could easily be the backing to an old school Spaghetti Western standoff. Part of it is the otherworldliness of it.
@deepfates If you insist on guitar then perhaps:
youtube.com/watch?v=JsaPb3โฆ
@deepfates Yeah, but I also predict you'll like that one if you like the song you mentioned in OP and The Box. :3
@deepfates Oh thaaaat kind of music, yea I gotcha fam
youtube.com/watch?v=gMXwpQโฆ
@deepfates The funniest part is that these were like, studio sessions they did with Marty O'Donnell which weren't included in the game at all. So fans of the series would buy the soundtrack and be listening through all familiar, then *this* shows up out of nowhere on the OST.
@deepfates The band is Incubus, in any case.
youtube.com/watch?v=A0N7_Nโฆ
Many retvrn types don't believe in god, but they do believe in theological Schelling points for violence.
@dystopiabreaker @ExistentialEnso @robottomulatto @jstn ๐CAPITALISM๐IS๐WHATEVER๐SHIT๐I'M๐ON๐ABOUT๐AT๐ANY๐GIVEN๐MOMENT๐INVOLVING๐MONEY๐
@dystopiabreaker @ExistentialEnso @robottomulatto @jstn Use of the word 'capitalism' is unfortunately a strong indicator of lazy thinking. Because it's much easier to propose vague, amorphous systematic changes to systems you don't understand than to reform or detail a proposal for a true alternative.
@robottomulatto @dystopiabreaker @ExistentialEnso @jstn I wish that tweet was mostly about crypto.
UFOs are a long deep state op to discredit intellectual dark web/alt-epistemology/etc send tweet
Thread for tracking the new scissor statements as we transition into the next phase of culture war.
x.com/deepfates/statโฆ
Butlerian Jihad/Gene Editing/etc
x.com/MogTheUrbaniteโฆ
Trying to force people to "get past" something in their nature just hides that nature, obfuscates the dynamic which is still in play.
@dystopiabreaker @ExistentialEnso Every time I see that website I think to myself "if this was an IPFS mirror it would actually be valuable".
@dystopiabreaker @ExistentialEnso It's just this landmark achievement in missing the point. It'll probably be looked back on as an exemplar of the tragicomic ways people misunderstood this stuff.
@LucioMM1 @RokoMijic Can also do active but indirect conflict like competing institutions, competing literary criticism, etc.
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
People think if they become delusional enough they stop being responsible for it, that they're no longer competent to be judged. Cooperating with this mindset is corrosive, otherwise intelligent people that keep believing insane lies are choosing to on some level of metacognition
Same principle: x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
Hanlon's Razor as a substitute for Occam's Razor is peacekeeping social technology masquerading as an epistemic technique. This is one reason why conversation with 'rationalists' can quickly become extremely obnoxious.
Mercy and justice are both virtues because on a long enough timescale even weeds would learn to photosynthesize tears to exploit your sympathy.
This vision but it's a merciful person being walked through how in the final stages of the GAN every wretched creature will have optimized their destruction to be as horrible and unsympathetic as possible.
x.com/egregirls/statโฆ
@RokoMijic I expect most of the superorganisms to be ground into paste during the 21st century. I tend to focus on the individual because the extant superorganisms gain support not by promising a better way but a credible Schelling point for violent resistance.
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@RokoMijic Everywhere there are seeds of genius, but nobody is dominant enough for hegemony. This is actually the central problem, and no aligned superorganisms will be possible until consensus emerges. https://t.co/yWVgn6xQiR
@RokoMijic extropian.net/notice/9xpK3Z0โฆ
@RokoMijic @selentelechia I understand you're on some extreme left hand path shit right now and on a quest to break every egalitarian social norm you can get away with but my man I gotta ask you: How would your grandfather or great grandfather feel looking at this interaction, what if it was in person?
@RokoMijic @selentelechia Even if you see all of us as poisoned, it's important not to let your frustration with modernity get in the way of basic social grace that would hold in basically any human society. If you went up to a woman on the street and said this shit you would be rightly taken as a pest.
@RokoMijic @selentelechia Forget the cringe, forget the fact that you made someone else's day worse for no good reason (it's not even a good performance), this kind of passion poured into interactions that don't quite make social sense is an easy way to segue into psychosis and derangement.
@RokoMijic @selentelechia (And, come to think of it, if you went up to a man on the street and said it you'd be taken as a pest too)
@RokoMijic Unsure what's the most polite way to note that I'm fairly sure I've never said that, but I'm fairly sure I've never said that. And if I have I wasn't thinking about it hard enough.
@nosilverv I saw this but just concluded everyone is crazy smh
Maybe instead of writing anything about postrat I should just explain materialism. Vast majority of materialists couldn't invent materialism and people can smell this weakness, "materialism as dogmatic belief in the standard model" couldn't discover standard model. x.com/the_wilderlessโฆ
Prompt: christ rebukes the pharisees, stained glass
(CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [cc12m_1_cfg]) https://t.co/GUOCwBr58j
When I was eight I fell into a trance while listening to the Pokemon Dance Remix and attained a jhana in my rocking chair. Nothing was there and everything was beautiful.
For the rest of my life techno/trance became associated with the transcendent.
youtube.com/watch?v=5i8tCNโฆ
Honestly wondering how many contemporary problems boil down to "materialism is correct but materialists are terrible".
People would rather put on clown makeup than associate themselves with the soy touch.
@QiaochuYuan @sunofdopamine @selentelechia ๐
Celerocracy (n.)
Rule by speedrunners.
@visakanv Which is funny, because if you find that you're at odds with others it's really one of the more important things you could know.
What if your high status, anthropocentric problems like 'capitalism', 'trauma', 'politics' were actually intractable features of reality like 'materialist metaphysics', 'thermodynamics', 'iron law of wages'.
See also: x.com/chaosprime/staโฆ
@nosilverv Chapman's entire thing is a gambit to try and preserve Buddhism against atomization tearing systems to shreds.
vividness.live/a-dzogchen-shaโฆ
@vettisceneonly Like a 6 or 7. I think that there's a ton of unnecessary scarcity and status games being played which it's absolutely right to be angry about, but these are getting conflated in unprincipled ways with problems that are basically unavoidable in the long run.
@vettisceneonly It's ha-ha-only-serious.
@avsa Snapping a picture of someone else's phone screen isn't cool.
@matildepark_ I don't want to run a cantankerous spaghetti stack of code where half the stack requires my conscious intervention to set up and maintain.
Which is what 'server' cashes out to most of the time tbh.
@matildepark_ I don't want to have to worry about updates breaking my setup and not applying updates meaning my box gets pwned so Siberian teenagers can use it as part of a botnet and send my visitors malware.
@matildepark_ I do it anyway because it's the right thing to do, but this is very much on the 'cost' side of the ledger.
@jhamby @ExistentialEnso It would also make them a similar figure to JStark: Partially inspired in their fearless initiative by the knowledge that their death is close at hand anyway.
@GarrettPetersen amazon.com/IBM-Holocaust-โฆ
@dystopiabreaker @tszzl Maybe. To play devils advocate you can absolutely upload your videos to another video hosting site (even peertube). And the social graph on YouTube is very weak to nearly-nonexistent. What you cannot walk away with is YouTube's recommendation engine and distribution channel.
@dystopiabreaker @tszzl Both of which are the real draw for the vast majority of creators on the site, who are not Joe Rogan and need YouTube's help to have a critical mass of audience attention.
@dystopiabreaker @tszzl Even more trollish observation: It could be argued that YouTube can demand a bigger take not just because it's sucking oxygen out of the room but because it's offering discoverability these people otherwise wouldn't dream of having. The take is proportionate to value it offers.
@dystopiabreaker @tszzl My counter to the devils advocate would be something along the lines of: Blockchain's real value add is the assurance of open data, so that 3rd party indexers and discovery engines can exist in the way Google exists. Interop and indexing is what protects you, not social graph.
@dystopiabreaker @tszzl And my counter to the counter would be that even with 3rd party indexers, that value provided by someone with a huge audience will still be there. Talent agencies and Hollywood producers don't *just* exist because making movies is expensive. Think Netflix.
@dystopiabreaker @tszzl Putting all this together I would imagine a healthy web3 ecosystem would give creators a bigger share of the pie, but a substantial amount is probably still taxed away at equilibrium just by the usual network effects, brand names, and social power dynamics.
@dystopiabreaker @tszzl Another way to think about this is that if you're getting 90% right now it's actually a selection effect where no infrastructure means projects only exist if they can advocate for themselves sufficiently well not to need to pay a fee to someone else who can do it better.
Apparently the iron law of wages bit makes people really mad, which means it deserves an encore. ๐งต x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
The sense in which the law of wages is an intractable feature is simple: Absent a global state that imposes perfect eugenics policies, or a fertility crash so strong it leads to human extinction, Thomas Malthuse is very likely to be correct in the long term. My take is Hansonian.
Right now we observe that modernity craters fertility rates, which seems to be people not wanting children strongly enough. A mass die off (in genetic terms) of people without strong breeding instincts implies if humans exist in the future they're selected to be baby crazed. https://t.co/U0zKS6pxio
Furthermore the plausibility of a universal eugenic state to cull genes for liking babies too much is undermined if we imagine an interplanetary future. Control has to be maintained across worlds for a very long time not to expect the modal human experience to be malthusian.
This isn't a right wing talking point, guilt tripping people into major life decisions is cringe at best. However, neutrally, simple natural selection implies that if the only populations with enough growth to offset their decay from death are breeders the future is natalist.
"What does this have to do with economic conditions right now?"
Not a ton, if anything we should expect that people are paid more during a fertility crunch. That they aren't implies fuckery or automation. My bet is fuckery.
"If it isn't relevant right now why are you talking about it?"
I think there's something kind of weird and sad about the idea of holding a value system that implies if you were born outside of the one tiny timeslice of abundant material wealth life wouldn't be worth it for you.
"What's the alternative?"
In the long term, to abolish the hedonic treadmill and make the default experience beautiful and worthy for people.
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
"Okay but how do we do that?"
We can't even convince people to put the homeless in homes when it's cheaper than letting them be homeless.
npr.org/2015/12/10/459โฆ
Beats me.
"And in the short term?"
I feel like my manifesto would be a detour from the thread, but the tl;dr is "acknowledge peoples real problems (e.g. stop pretending intelligence is evenly distributed) and stop treating them like shit".
"Isn't it kind of misleading to put this esoteric viewpoint into your tweet when it'll be likely taken as a statement that our current woes are caused by the law of wages?"
I don't take my activism advice from ambiguously ironic meme tweets and hope you don't either.
"I hate you."
That's okay, I โค๏ธ you.
"You don't really believe that thermodynamics and 'the iron law of wages' belong in the same sentence as 'intractable' do you?"
See previous statement about ambiguously ironic meme tweets.
@RokoMijic Also can't forget the existing problems like atomic warfare and bioengineered pandemics. What does the future actually look like where we avoid the entire slate of X-Risks and don't blow ourselves up? Seems fairly unlikely to me in general.
Prompt: the spider speaking to the fly from its web, watercolor on canvas
(CLIP Guided Diffusion [cc12m_1_cfg]) https://t.co/kbCNlOwsmw
@BullshittsDream Guess again, look closer. :)
Failing to persuade Siddhartha his meditation was cringe, the demon Mara appealed to his ego. https://t.co/ytGY2TXbo4
Prompt: Siddhartha Gautama in meditation under the bodhi tree, trending on artstation
(CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [cc12m_1_cfg]) https://t.co/7drCmtIGT0
@RiversHaveWings @nosilverv Mistitled it, people only remembered the catchphrase "Politics Is The Mindkiller" and forgot the content. Many such cases!
@RiversHaveWings @nosilverv It's actually a really short post so you can trivially verify this for yourself.
readthesequences.com/Politics-Is-Thโฆ https://t.co/2NfAfBtpDD
@TylerAlterman extropian.net/notice/9vt9zsYโฆ
@sullyj3 @deepfates x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@TylerAlterman From: extropian.net/notice/9vt9zsYโฆ
@nosilverv @namenotrequired I'd like to hear the attempt anyway.
To the extent that works like HPMOR brought a lot of people into 'rationality' on a fandom basis, constituting a new literary movement, that movement became ineffective during the Trump-COVID era. It's no longer possible to feel the level of joy and idealism that genre demands.
There's this constant propaganda from various weirdos trying to retcon rat as a form of extreme protestant intellectual asceticism, but the truth is it was outright cringe in its extreme indulgence and wild extropian futurology. Protrat is just as much a reaction to it as postrat https://t.co/x1fkwmQGYC
If you want a time capsule of OG rat aesthetic you should be looking at users like x.com/TetraspaceWest (helpfully screenshotted below so this post still makes sense in the future) and emphatically not me, because I am very much not a good example of OG rat aesthetic. https://t.co/lB4GX2cGpS
Prompt: royalty free vector illustration of a human brain melting
(CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [cc12m_1_cfg]) https://t.co/as5i6lbBdr
@RokoMijic You mean like, benzos? Trust me you do not want people taking benzos as a substitute for alcohol dude.
@RichardMCNgo It would need to have a pulse for me to critique it.
@deepfates Bro you have no idea what it's gonna be like once esoteric transhumanist discourse is what people are arguing about on Tumblr and stuff. You're gonna be like those early SJ activists who had to watch teenagers systematically corrupt and destroy every idea they hopefully loved.
prompt: an organic and detailed design for a cryonics preservation chamber
(CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [cc12m_1_cfg]) https://t.co/r3NHlLet7D
@mattparlmer Everyone forgets that ultimately the police are there to protect the criminal. Prisons, courts, and police officers who have at least a nominal mandate to follow rules are not the default, the default is people harming you when you wrong them, police are there to prevent that.
@dystopiabreaker In fairness, the slowness of eth's transition to PoS is a good argument in favor of Moxie's critique about protocols being hard to change by their nature.
@dystopiabreaker But lets be honest, the people talking about this aren't even in the same ballpark as that level of reasonableness.
@dystopiabreaker x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@thombruce @dystopiabreaker If assets exist on Ethereum then high gas fees make people reluctant to set up wrapper contracts to move them, creating a perverse network effect if it has first mover advantage. Also Solana is more centralized.
It also went up something like 4000x in 2021 so. https://t.co/RcECwtEMmJ
@thombruce @dystopiabreaker I'm not super familiar with Sol tbh but the situation as I understand it is that Solana gets more transactions in a block by massively beefing up the hardware requirements to run a node on the network. This means that fewer, beefier boxes participate in validating the network.
@dystopiabreaker I think there's a certain kind of detachment you have to develop to see this stuff as it is. Even if crypto was nearly perfect and deserved every bit of discussion it gets, there would then be alpha to be extracted by dunking on it since it's big. It's an ecological response.
@dystopiabreaker Getting hot-mad at these people is just giving them the alpha they seek, gotta get cold-mad and figure out how to make their strategy no longer profitable for them.
@dystopiabreaker Don't get mad, git gud.
If only you knew how much weirder things could be.
I wonder if lack of communal eating spaces is one of the reasons why schools naturally promote bonding but other modern environments don't.
Prompt: an alien organic detailed design of a common eating mess hall
(CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [cc12m_1_cfg]) https://t.co/YEExSPwslH
@zackmdavis @deepfates You've seen nothing yet tbh.
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@egregirls youtube.com/watch?v=_d4Kj2โฆ
@xuenay The problem of intoxication.
@nosilverv x.com/jdcruzphil/staโฆ
@nosilverv x.com/freganmitts/stโฆ
@nosilverv > if you leave the physical world
I reject the premise, that phrase is itself a sleight of hand trick.
@ExistentialEnso @fumeiji Many Such Cases
reddit.com/r/HobbyDrama/cโฆ https://t.co/8MeIrXnTjy
@ExistentialEnso What am I even reading. https://t.co/dVrf8VSSB7
@nosilverv You will street preach this every day and never realize that some people's default is to daydream if they're not problem solving. This Heidegger stuff is also extremely ideological. If people don't bite it's probably because they're not like you.
youtube.com/watch?v=Q7UbChโฆ
@nosilverv First you day dream and then you learn to day dream about things which happen to have practical importance somewhere. The materialism is useful to turn your day dreams into valuable ideas instead of masturbation (like youtube.com/watch?v=l5PEz3โฆ), that's all man. Don't overthink it.
Diamondoid Spaceship A,B,C,D
Prompt: scifi illustration of an alien organic detailed design of a sleek rocket spaceship covered in diamond lichen and moss
(CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [cc12m_1_cfg])
Hic Et Nunc: hicetnunc.art/objkt/634274 https://t.co/ZGStLa5RM3
@deepfates I prefer it by a lot, but it's still going to suck.
@MacaesBruno "Most of the deaths are *with* COVID rather than *from* COVID." is functionally this.
"Most of the deaths are *with* COVID rather than *from* COVID." x.com/MacaesBruno/stโฆ
@ExistentialEnso They're actually giving you a hint about how to evade their brainwashing here. If you call the thing you are doing the platform name rather than an "NFT" it can become brand differentiated from problematic platforms like OpenSea.
restofworld.org/2021/inside-brโฆ
@metakuna That there is epistemic uncertainty about the reality of hypnosis is one of those strong indicators that modernity's ability to reliably verify real phenomena is limited.
@metakuna You can literally just perform the experiment yourself with a couple hours of research. How on earth is this something people still treat like it's speculative.
@VividVoid_ Think you are the hot date dude.
@deepfates @eggy_egregore Yeah, increasingly realize the Happenings are here and there's just less and less left to say. Those who were warned were warned and the rest will have their chips fall where they may.
@eggy_egregore @deepfates I agree, but for example the power of the essay is nearly gone, people don't read anymore and won't for the forseeable future. You're left with street preaching (Twitter) and radio/lecture/etc (YouTube).
@eggy_egregore @deepfates The next stage after that is all media losing its power because things are just happening and nobody has time for that stuff. We may very well be entering the endgame now.
@eggy_egregore @deepfates x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
What @MacaesBruno misses here is that 'woke' is the most successful youth movement in recent history. The kids have figured out that 'conformity' lets them bully serious adults (and serious youths) into arbitrary nonsense and they're addicted. There they lead the revolution. x.com/NewStatesman/sโฆ
If it all looks like a chaotic mess of maladjusted manipulative infighting, anti-intellectualism and social breakdown that's because this is the natural result of teenagers being in the drivers seat for real.
@PrinceVogel @anonynaut Astral Codex Ten is illegible, SlateStarCodex is ethereal. It's SSC in exile.
@PrinceVogel @anonynaut The author formerly known as SlateStarCodex...
You may recall the insistent threats from elders that nobody would tolerate "that snowflake nonsense" in the workplace. But how the turns have tabled! Now it is employers who bow to the demands of young people, no matter how ridiculous. Turns out a backbone counts for something.
@ExistentialEnso It's kind of bizarre tbh. Fine art is the one market in which artists make money, but you need connections to play because it's a game for rich people. NFTs bringing fine art markets to the masses is the most bullish opportunity for artists in a long long time.
@ExistentialEnso Have to wonder if the high variance of the endeavor is a lot of the anger. If you're the sort of person who thinks equal outcomes are a moral good then it makes you mad to see a system where some succeed and some fail almost at random. Especially if you think deceit is involved.
@ExistentialEnso Another aspect is the fear of "crypto bros" taking over art. Like if you're an artist you probably do it for ideological or idealistic reasons and the idea of the sort of person who thinks garish monkey pfps are worth tens of thousands bossing you around is terrifying.
@ExistentialEnso Because they're used to taking commissions, not selling to a market, so their model of it is that they go from taking commissions from pervy furry people to hyperlibertarian nihilists. The reality of course looks more like Hic Et Nunc.
restofworld.org/2021/inside-brโฆ
@ExistentialEnso I guess another thing that might be uncomfortable is the amount of surplus you need to give away in fine art pricing. It's a cliche observation at this point that artists never make as much during their life as their works sell for in death. NFT pricing gives money away.
@ExistentialEnso If you become big your early work could eventually be worth thousands, but at the moment your status means you have to sell it for $50. There's a certain amount of ego you have to get over to be able to do that, because a thousand dollars 10 years from now doesn't pay the bills.
@ExistentialEnso Should make a collage, you inspire some real bangers.
@metakuna extropianzealot.dreamwidth.org/1560.html#cutiโฆ
@TetraspaceWest This is how Friston's model of cognition works.
Prompt: the world's fair carnival displaying advanced organic diamond technology in rocketry self replicating machines and biological genetic engineering, trending on artstation
(CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [cc12m_1_cfg]) https://t.co/2sHh3ukhCl
@Ted_Underwood Oh yeah it's the best. Looks great in space too.
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@Ted_Underwood > bioluminescent
Oh thanks for the keyword, I haven't tried that yet.
@mechanical_monk @GarrettPetersen lmao Boltzmann Brains
@CoughsOnWombats I think the arrow means it downvotes the entire thread? Dunno, they haven't blessed me with this feature yet.
@VolcaneHabanero @mechanical_monk @GarrettPetersen I'm not physics galaxy brained enough to answer this definitively but tbh I think the simple answer is something like Occam's Razor. In a multiverse of possibilities consistent universes are going to dominate experiential slices over miracle brains.
@VolcaneHabanero @mechanical_monk @GarrettPetersen Even if we observe that the long tail of the universe implies much more time for miracle brains to occur, they're still miracles. They seem less likely to hallucinate a consistent universe, so anthropically if you experience one you're probably not a Boltzmann brain.
@VolcaneHabanero @mechanical_monk @GarrettPetersen i.e. This may just be a confusion of the likelihood any being in the multiverse is a boltzmann brain versus the likelihood *you personally* are a boltzmann brain given the distribution you're being drawn from.
@VolcaneHabanero @mechanical_monk @GarrettPetersen Mistaking mass for complexity there tbh.
@VolcaneHabanero @mechanical_monk @GarrettPetersen Like imagine I said to you that it's much more likely for a Boeing 747 to arise without sapient level intelligence than the earth's biosphere because the biosphere is much bigger.
Would anyone out there with a podcast be interested in having me on as a guest to talk about AI art?
Topics I'd like to cover include:
- Implications of transition towards art produced by capital
- AI art as apotheosis of 20th century art movements like 12 tone serialism
- The potential end of irony dominating counterculture through memes as sincere expression becomes economically viable
@pdtcbs @deepfates I think these are pretty, but you really have to define 'good' here.
x.com/RiversHaveWingโฆ
After all Thomas Kincade is pretty but I think most humanities scholars would consider it kitsch.
@Trent_STEMpunk To be very frank if I had adequate writeups of these subjects I wouldn't feel the need to do a podcast about them. I have other writing on adjacent topics I could link you to, or discuss it in DMs.
@Trent_STEMpunk So this thread is way more aggressively partisan than I would want to get on a podcast.
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
But it's discussing an adjacent subject in the context of NFTs of how the mass production of culture relates to what we're seeing now in contemporary movements.
@Trent_STEMpunk It's important to understand that the industry we tend to call 'content' or 'web 2.0' is propped up on this mountain of long tail tiny creators who are basically ideologically motivated on platforms like Tumblr.
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
AI art has the potential to obsolete this.
@Trent_STEMpunk And this causes the nastiness we witness now in several ways. First it means platforms use controversy maximizing feeds because that is where content comes from. Second it means that the only way to have culture is to control these platforms socially.
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@Trent_STEMpunk I unfortunately haven't discussed the 12 tone serialism thing in detail anywhere because the thought just occurred to me today (inspiring the request, actually) but this thread discusses some adjacent stuff: x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@Trent_STEMpunk x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@egregirls Dear Void,
Thank you for writing to my advice column. From what you've written to me I'm afraid I have to confront you with a harsh, unpleasant truth: Your current friends just aren't good enough. You'll find better company in based individuals like yourself.
- P. Bateman
"I, personally, was not a good fit for this thing that claimed to be for everybody so now I'm going to retaliate by pretending it's wrong for everybody."
Many such cases. Many cases building upon previous cases, fueled by an arms race of plagiarism and bad faith generalization.
Which in turn leads to adopting bad faith/deliberately low fit universalism as an inoculation against certain kinds of brainworms produced by this process.
If everything is true in a certain sense then everything is good for somebody, nobody has to be wrong and nobody has to be right. https://t.co/5BBSM2WJDY
Great conversation with @Trent_STEMpunk and @benlandautaylor on what it looks like to be doing research with @SamoBurja and how his great founder theory works, relates to STEM centered theories of societal change, etc.
youtube.com/watch?v=FKoZZCโฆ
@nosilverv Thank you, this is much better.
@nosilverv Question on my end: What's a good way of identifying people in this kind of holding pattern using things like 'rationality' as a cope? Because I'm not really interested in the business of grifting, if people actually just need hug want gf I'd like them to get those things.
@nosilverv Yeah, I think a lot of my old model was, people who are suffering from 'akrasia' are trying and failing to do a certain thing or have ADD and I just need to help them with it. But what I discovered was that actually they're usually just confused and my 'helping' makes it worse.
@nosilverv You think you want to save the world or solve big scientific problems but then mysteriously you find *actually doing that* absolutely intolerable and when you examine the motivations it turns out people told you this is what you're supposed to want not what you actually want.
@nosilverv Same energy:
x.com/deepfates/statโฆ
@nosilverv There's personalities and aptitudes that are advantaged in any era, and extreme amounts of shaming and gaslighting going on around who has them and how possible it is for people to become them. It being convenient to be someone else doesn't make it so.
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@nosilverv This then inspires its own toxic reaction where people will try to claim that say, the needed traits and personalities are actually marshaling resources for a fake problem. It's a real possibility that what is needed simply isn't available or possible.
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@nosilverv For most people most of the time this is correct. The big thing I would caution with it is that it's much easier to go from reflection to doing than from doing to reflection. Once you move out of the reflective mode it's easy to lose track of when you should stop and return.
@nosilverv 'Doing' can also get weird with intellectual work, would definitely say you should be LOOKING AT ACTUAL THINGS and ideally DOING ACTUAL STUFF. One of the really bad habits that LW style rationality reinforces is spherical cow thinking, going mapmaking without the territory.
@nosilverv There's a genuinely difficult general problem of when it makes sense to do a lot of reflection and preplanning and when it makes sense to just execute an existing angle of attack and I'm unsure anything other than life experience can teach the full contours of making the tradeoff
@nosilverv I personally find that I go through explore/exploit periods characterized by reflection and strategic thinking in explore and ready-to-hand and tactical thinking in exploit.
@nosilverv The notion of 'angle of attack' seems central to managing explore/exploit tradeoff. If you're in a transitional state you're trying to find a new angle of attack, if you have an angle then overthinking it is just stalling/letting the opportunity slip past you.
@tszzl @lastcontrarian @_jersey_john @balajis @SiddharthKapo Somewhere around here there is a poll showing that Indians are among the only populations who support human genetic engineering and I *cannot find it*. Can someone please reply with the thing I'm thinking of?
@tszzl @lastcontrarian @_jersey_john @balajis @SiddharthKapo I remember discussion below had people speculating that latent cultural attitudes from the caste system were protecting India from toxic egalitarianism.
@lastcontrarian @tszzl @_jersey_john @balajis @SiddharthKapo Bless you. โค๏ธ
1 retweet = 1 dharmatechnofuturism prompt done with AI diffusion models, limit 100, suggest prompts below
x.com/lastcontrarianโฆ
(First two images examples of AI art along Eastern religious themes, last two examples of dharmatechnofuturism not by me) https://t.co/p75xeQM9Bg
Currently running: royalty free scifi illustration of cyborg vishnu in cross legged meditation on a beautiful rug
Prompt: royalty free scifi illustration of cyborg vishnu in cross legged meditation on a beautiful rug
(CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [cc12m_1_cfg]) https://t.co/BtZxV3l76b
Upscaling #12 because it's fire
@alterwyx Unreleased diffusion upscaler trained on yfcc full resolution scrape.
Prompt: street scene of cyberpunk New Delhi whose citizens are enlightened by the hindu dharma, trending on artstation
(CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [cc12m_1_cfg]) https://t.co/Wa4pSpIpGU
Fail, gonna try this again with cc12m_1
Prompt: Hindu Puja in worship of an icon of an ascended cybernetic scifi robot cyborg Swami Vivekananda, trending on artstation
(CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [cc12m_1_cfg]) https://t.co/RvPzazSLIf
Prompt: Hindu Puja in worship of an icon of an ascended cybernetic scifi robot cyborg Swami Vivekananda, trending on artstation
(Guided CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [cc12m_1]) https://t.co/w8NdTKDtZh
Not an amazing upscale, but moving on. https://t.co/48LbXWYhp5
Prompt: a bodhisattva meditating in the center of a cyberdelic control room monitors televisions screens computers hacker lab, concept art, matte painting, trending on artstation
(Guided CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [cc12m_1]) https://t.co/EMzqdRtbhY
Should we focus on revitalizing the real world or emigrating to Equestria?
x.com/MacaesBruno/stโฆ
Since @MacaesBruno just retweeted this to an audience of thousands who will have no idea what I'm referencing: fimfiction.net/story/62074/frโฆ
Prompt: A Buddhist Monk Using An EEG Brain-Computer-Interface Cap To Exorcise The Hungry Ghost In An Unenlightened Person, trending on artstation
(Guided CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [cc12m_1]) https://t.co/Khx9gP5K6n
> Jordan Peterson's effete classical liberal shtick
Is precisely why they play up how hurt and offended they are, he appeals to the margins of their coalition and that's dangerous to them. Left or right, if you want to be targeted tempt the opposition. t.co/am5iLyoMPY
@PrinceVogel The most dangerous forbidden truth: The people your local elites spent two decades assuring you are uncultured swine don't have to be cringe.
@tszzl Roon teases his math pets (2022, colorized)
@eigenrobot Kind of Guy outside your house furiously refreshing your timeline for home invasion strategy tips because your latest banger was the last straw.
@eigenrobot He sends death threats in advance but they go unheeded because eigen never checks his DMs.
@eigenrobot Police finally have a reason to subpoena the DMs, find out that people have been using it as a confessional and straight up admitted to serial killings and arson to Eigen's blissful ignorance.
x.com/eigenrobot/staโฆ
@eigenrobot Yeah seriously bro stay safe, stay strapped.
@mechanical_monk x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
Whatever name Hic Et Nunc gets changed to needs to retain the arthouse brand. That's why even though SYNQ is a good name in the abstract I can't choose it, it's too much like an aggressive commercial brand, imperative connotations. WORSHIP, CONSUME, SOAR.
What do you think?
Hic Et Nunc is special because it doesn't have extremely aggressive "NFT" vibes, you can say your work is being sold on Hic Et Nunc and that's meaningfully different from most other NFT platforms.
Part of the way a thesis like 'illegibility' gains traction is by selectively filtering out the success cases of modernity.
When someone sits down in their armchair and imagines a massively better way to do things, it becomes normal and traditional.
bbc.com/news/business-โฆ
We also selectively forget the domains of human endeavor we were in fact able to formalize. For example at the start of the 20th century a "computer" was a person who did rote mathematics. During the Manhattan Project teenagers were hired to do repetitive bomb calculations.
If it seems in retrospect like it was obvious we could formalize computation but not say, music, you would be running counter to the many attempts from 20th century composers to formalize music in the form of e.g. serialism.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve-toโฆ
Consider a piece like Ensembles for Synthesizer by Babbitt, which demonstrates the potential of electronic music for composers by creating a piece with a structure no orchestra could perform. The esoteric pattern is made up of short 3 second melodies.
youtube.com/watch?v=jF1njNโฆ
Far from being a fringe movement, serialism and its descendants focusing on musical structure like Stockhausen basically defined avante garde 20th century music in the same way nonrepresentational and 'intuitive' methods did 20th century visual art. The two took opposite tacks.
Babbitt describes his method of composition as hyper rigorous, requiring the same level of precision as computer programming. This is in stark contrast to the splatter paintings of artists like Jackson Pollock. Babbitt did not believe music should be composed for ordinary people. https://t.co/whNtXq4MZQ
These musicians were questing for nothing short of total control over their medium, formalization that would reduce a masterpiece to algorithms. And while they ultimately failed, AI art has the opportunity to succeed where methods like serialism could not.
Many of the things believed impossible due to their failure in the 20th century (and overtures toward their impossibility in the form of various anti-formalization proofs from Godel and others) will likely wind up being more possible than expected in the 21st, update accordingly.
Humans are used to dealing with models that top out in complexity at dozens of parameters, neural nets can take many more variables into account and sift through them to find the signal that predicts the outcomes we want even in very complex problem domains.
What we are beginning to understand is that 20th century modernism could not capture what a human brain does because it is simply not using enough moving parts to represent the problem space. Artificial neural nets succeed through using many parameters in their models.
@RokoMijic Eh I don't feel like having 50 people arguing in my notifications today.
@nosilverv There's a certain point where you reach epistemic escape velocity and you're just routinely having novel thoughts about stuff, 'big insights' stop being truly big insights even if you'd have previously marveled to stumble across one.
@MacaesBruno I think what they object to is the idea that someone could claim to know something by concluding it from the naive, straightforward interpretation. e.g. People who predict inflation think inflation is caused by printing money, which is often disputed.
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
Prompt: A bodhisattva preserving themselves against an overload of information through calm minded adherence to the eighfold path, matte painting by James Gurney
(Guided CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [cc12m_1]) https://t.co/pIy35dRr6D
Prompt: An Indian Sadhu Saadhu wearing a cyberdelic psychedelic virtual reality headset sitting on a rug on a city street using it to project bliss and peacefulness to passerby through psionic powers
(Guided CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [cc12m_1]) https://t.co/Wl8t0XZCAR
Prompt: An Indian Sadhu Saadhu wearing a cyberdelic psychedelic virtual reality headset sitting on a rug in a indian city street scene using it to project bliss and peacefulness to passerby through psionic powers, concept art by ross tran
(CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [cc12m_1]) https://t.co/82d1qWgJzP
Prompt: A retrofuturistic Indian market stalls booths assembled around a train track going through its center, acrylic on canvas by ross tran
(Guided CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [cc12m_1]) https://t.co/1LMsYMLQIr
If you're reading this you're among the last cohort with any chance of fixing things. x.com/profmusgrave/sโฆ https://t.co/aFHUdVZL9S
@owenbroadcast See also: x.com/0x49fa98/statuโฆ
Lot of people making fun of this but it's a good sign - it means that the permanent bureaucracy thinks the pandemic is ending so it's safe for them to give away the masks they were hoarding for themselves.
x.com/davidalim/statโฆ
Point taken.
x.com/SporadicE5/staโฆ
@michaelcurzi youtube.com/watch?v=o3SZeeโฆ
@thesravaka Prompt: liberation of prickly disagreeable people from the cozy vibe detention camps, mspaint digital art https://t.co/J3aTUNq90G
@vgr IMO we need something like c/acc: Calvinist Acceleration
If most people are only motivated to do good by selection pressure then the only thing that can help is changing the environment so bad behavior hurts and good behavior is adaptive. Be the pain you want to see in the world
Prompt: Alan Watts with a robotic body greeting a group of buddhist monks
x.com/NicholasBardy/โฆ https://t.co/NCBmLRlw70
Prompt: Siddhartha Gautama dreaming an endlessly interweaving cycle of electric sheep by ross tran
(Guided CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [cc12m_1])
Prompt by @ccneill. https://t.co/ORQMpUxa6p
@ExistentialEnso No profiteering is when you make a profit, you're only worthy of sympathy if you stay poor and anyone who tries to be not-poor is no longer a useful prop for my class interests, get it right peasant, know your place.
@ExistentialEnso (obligatory "this is a joke" tweet in case anyone reads this without context)
Prompt: vedic dissidents retreating to an online digital cyberdelic forest to meditate on the future of mankind, trending on artstation
(Guided CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [cc12m_1]) https://t.co/sOraqAViog
Prompt: vedic dissidents retreating to an online digital cyberdelic forest to meditate on the future of mankind, matte painting by ross tran
(Guided CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [cc12m_1]) https://t.co/J8ky24McdA
@nosilverv In our society the word "religion" almost exclusively refers to a dead religion, which makes it much more difficult to notice them.
@nosilverv Religion is a synonym for "lie that other people in a liberal society will politely not challenge", living religions do not have followers who act like they believe in a lie.
@theshawwn Surprisingly enough I sorta-kinda agree. At least for the moment. AI art is in an uncanny valley where the best stuff is good enough not to be interesting because of its glitchy novelty, but also bad enough that it doesn't really have much utilitarian value in most cases.
@theshawwn I also expect this to change in the span of a few months maybe, so I wouldn't get too comfy with that take.
So I'm on page 5 and I haven't read the rest of this story yet but I'm going to make a prediction:
Should have just prayed to Sarenrae.
@deepfates "Create until nothing is left to create and the universe bursts with an overworked sigh." is in fact a decent one sentence summary of what I would consider a good outcome.
youtube.com/watch?v=DehRu-โฆ
@ID10TErrors @deepfates aeon.co/essays/left-anโฆ
Conservatism about human genetic engineering and natalist maximalism contradict each other. x.com/redoatz/statusโฆ
@realjdburn x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@Jessifris ...What, Google says this is in fact the correct pronunciation. I was saying "ess-trad-ee-ahl" in my head.
@nosilverv Yes, that is what happened. He is then further humiliated by history trying to paint him as a justification for the abuse, rather than someone who was held at gunpoint and forced to say socially polite things.
I was not expecting Mad Investor Chaos to have a Rand monologue about phenomenological necessity, please people when you're writing a long exposition like this give your characters something to do while they talk that 's a thinly veiled metaphor for the conversation topic. https://t.co/Od8ry2zT6U
Like can't someone cast Greater Shared Illusion and Keltham can use telepathy to warp the environment to illustrate his points? The setting has literal magic come on.
I'm begging you. https://t.co/o3ZVmODxGS
@PrinceVogel Not a book but this seems like adjacent/relevant content. Animals being in a cooperation with grass to prevent long term tree strategy from dominating is just kind of ๐คฏ to me.
palladiummag.com/2020/03/02/palโฆ
@PrinceVogel One thing that's important to note about this kind of thing is its implicit positive utilitarianism. Like embedded in 'Extropy' in the space colonization sense is a certain level of okayness with creating many many beings who suffer, since any ecosystem creation does that.
The NFT takes will continue until the engagement stops.
Yes, millennials vulnerability to this is one of their worst traits. x.com/nosilverv/statโฆ
They grew up in a very narrow span of time during which viral news was benevolent, and never updated after social media: slatestarcodexabridged.com/The-Toxoplasmaโฆ
nationalreview.com/corner/u-haul-โฆ
@rohn_jawls @ctjlewis @virgil_30 @christapeterso outsidertheory.com/control-societโฆ
@ExistentialEnso Maybe you should do a Tezos shill thread? ๐
@ExistentialEnso x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@ExistentialEnso x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
People keep implying that the hexagon avatars getting you blocked on sight isn't a feature. Usually have to tweet some obnoxious stuff to get people to tell on themselves like that. x.com/atonal440/statโฆ
"Magical amulet that makes the haters cut off contact rather than witness your fabulous pfp."
Premium feature.
@alexandrosM See it'd have been actually funny if they swapped it to "and in the proteins bind them" but then they just quoted it straight wtf lol
@dystopiabreaker @ExistentialEnso @TwitterBlue Careful, Poe's Law is in full effect here and they might think this is serious feedback.
Thanks to @fumeiji for buying Bunker Entrance D. ๐
hicetnunc.art/objkt/460623 https://t.co/bABIL02tTy
Prompt: shiva standing at the center of a swirling vortex ushering forth the technological singularity
(Guided CLIP Condition Diffusion [cc12m_1]) https://t.co/N4AQ0fO6mf
Extremely thought provoking discussion, interesting how Stevens manages to become precise enough to see the convergent truths shared with e.g. Max More's Extropy but rejects the implicit utilitarian maximizer-aesthetic of it without making an unprincipled exception to his rigor. x.com/RomeoStevens76โฆ
@tszzl What a fine night to have a curse.
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
The unspoken distinction between "strong belief" as drive-to-extrapolate-reconcile and "strong belief" as growing-emotions-towards-static-concept.
Belief systems with former promote growth and with latter stunt it.
imagine someone telling you to believe harder and you push yourself into feeling more of the correlate of a well founded belief instead of finding more evidence that the thing is true lmao
Update: You can do this using the yfcc_2 v-diffusion model as well except it only takes 14gb of VRAM and 3 minutes of inference time.
Prompt: a beautiful landscape painting of a cyberpunk forest.
(CLIP Guided V-Diffusion [yfcc_2]) x.com/danielrussrussโฆ https://t.co/vapEVjhH7X
@zetalyrae I prefer the OpenAI ImageNet version tbh:
x.com/danielrussrussโฆ
I redid that prompt to give us an apples to apples comparison.
@nosilverv When I was a kid I often fantasized about godhood because it would mean I'd never have to trouble myself with other people again, I'd be free to float on the wind and dream forever.
"That's the beauty of it, it doesn't do anything."
youtube.com/watch?v=849q2hโฆ
@deepfates Tomorrow there'll be more of us~
"You have a no chill order on your head."
@m1guelpf In the neutral interest of sanity some actual numbers on this: x.com/RiversHaveWingโฆ
Typical caveats that apply to Twitter polls in full effect here, etc. https://t.co/hG7GATpFLf
@m1guelpf It's better than what we see in these discussions in practice, where n hovers around 3.
@eigenrobot youtube.com/watch?v=s8153pโฆ
This is the way. x.com/eigenrobot/staโฆ
@RokoMijic @AmandaAskell x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@nosilverv @WillManidis Yes, I promise.
@eigenrobot Ah yes this is classic Latvian story, United States seizes Europe in hope of treasure only to find out entire continent is just potato.
@nosilverv You don't have to define your position for me to infer what it is. And if you refuse to define yourself the beauty of modernism is I get to do it for you.
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@CoughsOnWombats glowfic.com/posts/4582
@interpretantion I'm sure it'll all blow over like that dumb virus scare a few years back.
@interpretantion Time came a-creeping
Oh and time's a loaded gun...
I can hear it coming
I can hear the sirens sound
Now my feet won't touch the ground
youtube.com/watch?v=mYUVT7โฆ
@interpretantion Just so you know, the quote is NOT "Now I am become death, the destroyer of worlds."
It is "Time (kฤla) I am, the great destroyer of the worlds, and I have come here to destroy all people."
@tszzl You laugh but this is a real litmus test used in psychedelic therapy apparently.
@dendricide @tszzl I hope I'm not misleading you but this was told to me as part of a book recommendation which I didn't read, to my memory the book was LSD Psychotherapy by Stanislav Grof but the PDF you'll find on the Internet doesn't seem to have OCR that would let me control-f for it.
@dendricide @tszzl It certainly doesn't seem outside the realm of possibility given passages like this: https://t.co/bGC5SJHLCF
@dystopiabreaker Which one? Eliezer Yudkowsky's writing is a bit like that first Velvet Underground album, only 10,000 people read it in full, but every one of them wound up a philosopher or blogger.
@InfraredArmy In retrospect a lot of me getting bullied in middle school was me being overenthusiastic in answering the teachers questions. Not all of it, but maybe 20-30% could have been avoided by just reading the room and shutting up.
@egregirls "There's a series of paintings that Picasso did, of the woman he was living with, and they're these drawings of this woman sleeping. {...} Picasso is watching over this person and fascinated with all the vulnerability of this person in a sleep stage."
youtube.com/watch?v=jCK2u1โฆ
@Meaningness Giving me some vertigo here. I read Logicomix in high school and remember loaning it to a friend with abusive religious parents. The idea the contents of this essay would be a secret revelation is alien to me. Now I know how people who didn't react to x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ feel
@QiaochuYuan You would probably enjoy this book amazon.com/Logicomix-searโฆ
I just realized how absolutely batshit this take is given that Eliezer Yudkowsky's favorite book is Godel, Escher, Bach. LessWrong certainly failed but not in that particular way. x.com/Meaningness/stโฆ https://t.co/hZcIWbtAYS
(By the way, I've never read Godel Escher Bach even though I have it sitting on my shelf. Funny how such things work out)
@deepfates Only the best for you. https://t.co/gPAXhcdacK
@meekaale @Azeirah I always feel bad for the authors of these, their works are so good but they're stuck in the Borgesian long tail.
Maybe the real magic of drugs like MDMA is it gets people out of their usual shell enough to just blurt out what they're actually, *actually* thinking during these discussions.
"Trying to be too rigorous cost me opportunities."
"I was in a cult and logic saved me." x.com/visakanv/statuโฆ
Wanting to be a 'happiness billionaire' is just ??? to me. I remember reading things like greaterwrong.com/posts/87mdaCvCโฆ and realizing that I don't care if becoming a Buddhist monk will make me happy. I want what I want not what will make me feel good.
x.com/nickcammarata/โฆ
Why are all these people overawed about 'embodiment'? Are they in pain all the time? Is compulsory schooling teaching them their body isn't theirs? Is it actually just a cover for giving themselves permission to be a sexual reproductive being? No clue tbh
x.com/nosilverv/statโฆ
Something feels arrogant-disgusting to me about saying it, but I suspect I'm 1/1000 in my natural resistance to trauma. I'll often share memories about things like being left to bleed in a locked room at school to shocked onlookers. They're hurt by memories I think of as normal.
I know in principle that abuse is widespread and modernity is invasively controlling, but it doesn't feel real. I suspect my hedonic baseline is higher than usual. If it was lower maybe I'd be desperate for anything that promised to make me feel good.
If this was just a case of "people have different problems" I'd shrug and let it be. But when it results in people coping by loudly denouncing the things I love as bad and the problems I care about as non-problems I'm forced into conflict with them.
x.com/visakanv/statuโฆ
I'm not alone, one of the things I found so shocking reading about the life of Anne Sullivan is how horrible the things that happened to her were. Just startlingly, relentlessly awful, and yet she seems to have stayed entirely functional through all of it.
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
It's possible to force people to update by sharing an insight that makes the environment resist their malignant strategy more, but the underlying motivations haven't changed. Forcing unaligned agents away from bad behavior is a slow and tedious way to capture stones. https://t.co/3SHhCN0yWk
Ideology is a lemon market. Rampant plagiarism means that without careful research it's hard to tell what to invest in to get what results. Laundering personal experience into 'objective' arguments lures in poor fit people who are then treated as bycatch.
x.com/nosilverv/statโฆ
People harp about how systems are bad because they're intrinsically flawed when it seems to me like most of the problem is systems plagiarizing insights they couldn't have come up with themselves in the course of advertising their aesthetics.
x.com/jessi_cata/staโฆ
What do you do about this? I have no idea. Public forums optimize for this kind of confusion pretty aggressively. Being personal and vulnerable in public is a recipe for being feasted on by vicious alpha-seekers looking to dunk and pillage. It's an ecology and you're free energy.
It's not that objectivity doesn't exist, it just isn't the central feature or battleground for most of what's going on with a lot of 'objective' arguments. This can be endlessly frustrating if you actually care about the things people appropriate for LARP
x.com/nosilverv/statโฆ
Work out your own salvation with diligence.
@dystopiabreaker @0xIndigo > i felt an obligation to attempt to compete for mindshare
This is the only reason I post tbh.
@mattparlmer Doesn't this make the functional pay for being a member of congress worse? This seems like a move in the wrong direction.
@visakanv You're stuck inside a pattern.
You're stuck inside a loop
And you're stuck inside a pattern
You're stuck inside a loop
And you're stuck inside a pattern
You're stuck inside a loop
And you're stuck inside a pattern
You're stuck, so take a hammer to it
youtube.com/watch?v=aqkvWEโฆ
@nosilverv Could you speak more to the internal experience/phenomenology of that? If someone reading this thread is curious whether they're disembodied or not, how would they figure it out?
@nosilverv That QT wasn't a criticism, I was just pointing out that arguments about questions like "does universal law exist" aren't really about the thing (because if they were the answers would be obvious to way more participants bla bla bla uncharity whatever it's true).
@nosilverv Asking this in total seriousness: Did you ever do things like turn your head or roll your head around on its neck swivel? Neck is of course the connection between head and the rest of the body, so it seems like there would be weird impacts on use of it in this state.
@nosilverv One question I've been asked before is "how many points of contact on your body are you ambiently aware of while sitting in a chair, if you just close your eyes and count them" and I confusedly reply "all of them? <long list>" This is apparently not universal?
@nosilverv To make sure I understand this, you're saying a double digit % of the population gets on their computer/phone/whatever and they become so fixated on the screen that they forget they are sitting in a chair or using a keyboard or um...they gain total fusion with their tools?
@nosilverv Not just at a conscious level, but even their unconscious awareness. They stop optimizing the way they sit/stand for comfort, they don't express their thoughts with any kind of movement whatsoever, if I were to observe them there would be a kind of muted expression in them?
@nosilverv Does this imply you wouldn't touch your face or rest your head on your hand, or other actions which make the connection between the head and the rest of your body obvious? Like you're just rigidly sitting there controlling a head and a body?
@nosilverv @pee_zombie You say this but then conspicuously don't ask me more when I clearly am not 'rationalist due to disembodiment'.
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
Or is it that they need to figure out what made *them personally* a rat in the first place?
@nosilverv @pee_zombie Rather than wait for you to solicit information you have a vested interest in not having, I'll volunteer the answer.
hpmor.com/chapter/6
readthesequences.com/Something-To-Pโฆ
I found HPMOR's intro funny, but chapter 6 spoke to me in a way nothing else had and I binged the rest afterwards https://t.co/mqHPxBmhbN
@nosilverv @pee_zombie Sure, I guess my question is like, what exactly are you expecting me to reverse here? It's frustrating to learn true lessons through trauma-themed experiences, but I'm not seeking to *unlearn* them. The premise implies all 'traumatic' lessons are false.
wrestlinggnon.com/extropy/2019/0โฆ
What am I reading? I just like art lol the heck is this. x.com/AdamasNemesis/โฆ https://t.co/EBXCAykZHd
@ExistentialEnso It's actually the opposite of weird. You're sympathetic so you have to be witch hunted, you're socially connected to the harassers in a way 'crypto bros' aren't so they have a justified expectation their behavior will hurt you. Cold blooded rationality.
@ExistentialEnso Imagine their perspective for a moment, they are desperate to make NFTs (seen as a capitalist incursion into the scarcity-free digital realm) go away. You're ruining that. Gotta break a few duck eggs to spoil an omelette. They think they're fighting this:
palladiummag.com/2022/01/21/wheโฆ
@ExistentialEnso My advice would be to try not to take it too personally. It's not really about you, you just happen to be trans and disposable in a larger game.
"But what about helping marginalized people?"
Yeah that's not a thing, sorry you had to find out this way.
thenewinquiry.com/hot-allostaticโฆ
@PrinceVogel @selentelechia You know what? Fuck you. *disenchants your reality*
@selentelechia @PrinceVogel > they didn't tell me about this
Oh no. You may want to look up an unbiased source about Luther's life. There's a *lot* of stuff they probably didn't tell you.
@PrinceVogel @selentelechia Once the Faustian trope of making a bad faith deal with the devil was invented he knew he was beat and stopped coming around.
@PrinceVogel @selentelechia Imagine how obnoxious it must be to deal with any human after the enlightenment. Always trying to game the deal, always trying to hurt you, screw them they have Kabbalah and Alchemy they can solve their own problems.
@PrinceVogel @selentelechia > he knew he was beat and stopped coming around
I mean we need to be realistic here, Satan is a fallen *angel*, you think he's out here coming up with concepts like 'meta-irony'? lol no you need to be made in the image of god to screw up that bad he's just egging you on https://t.co/DuzQcntOcv
@postpostpostr @selentelechia I have to wonder what the same person would say if you asked them about their opinion on hexing Brahman.
@postpostpostr @selentelechia https://t.co/37tswl1Hcy
Kind of guy living in the 22nd century under the misconception that 21st century illustrations look like anime because people forgot how to draw photorealism.
@QiaochuYuan Children can see that adults are ridiculous, sick, and insane. I remember being afraid of puberty because it seemed like people were so distracted by sex they stopped being full human beings.
youtube.com/watch?v=ZcWeE3โฆ
@QiaochuYuan It's also a natural trope to come out of children's media, where the barrier between the world of adults and the world of children is always on the authors mind. Children wear epistemic baby clothes, so there needs to be an in-story reason to take them off as adulthood approaches
@QiaochuYuan There's multiple ways of handling this. One is the Blue's Clues/Winnie The Pooh approach of "I'm leaving now", moving on from a social situation which is a metaphor for an epistemic-spiritual situation. Another is the Narnia/Kid's Next Door/Peter Pan "growing up forces you out".
@QiaochuYuan It's also often a necessary trope for there to be a plot at all. Realistically, saving the world is something you would expect to be handled by adults. So for there to be a story where children are the protagonists, especially in modernity, there has to be an explanation for why.
@Outsideness Woke is a basilisk. Few.
@nosilverv Have you seen this yet? Seems like a must-read for you if not.
palladiummag.com/2022/01/21/wheโฆ https://t.co/tWRVy4yuEt
'Metaverse' seems to be the emerging name/keystone concept for team Equestria.
x.com/NathanJRobinsoโฆ
Early sign for this trend was massive upticks in students telling their professors they want to enter Nozick's experience machine.
x.com/jdcruzphil/staโฆ
Long thread on Russian church virtualism vs. American woke media properties
x.com/jamespoulos/stโฆ
So far this particular scissor issue has attracted a ton of attention from intellectuals and cultural commentators as a focal point (see thread), but I don't feel like I have a very good grasp on why. Is it just Zuck's influence? Would appreciate speculation in my replies. x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
Don't get me wrong it's not exactly dominating my timeline, but of the transhumanist themed upwing/downwing culture war shift that seems to be taking place this particular issue seems to be pulling ahead of the rest as what people want to discuss/argue about. Why?
@satisfiesvalues Not yet, but that's like, The Vision as articulated by e.g. @MacaesBruno. Level 1 eventually becomes a sort of quiet managed garden kept clean of troublesome elements so that digital games can continue.
@visakanv @pee_zombie This is the opposite of the approach I take, I try to make sure I'm familiar with prior art first so I can avoid making the mistakes they made. I don't think my originality suffers for it.
Written more about this at: greaterwrong.com/posts/RKz7pc6sโฆ
@deepfates x.com/ObserverSuns/sโฆ
@danlistensto x.com/paulg/status/1โฆ
@dystopiabreaker I (and I'm sure many others) would totally be down to help you write "The Blockchain FAQ"
slatestarcodexabridged.com/The-Non-Libertโฆ
@dystopiabreaker But tbh 'blockchain' seems like too wide a scope, need some more topic specific misconception minefields like The Proof of Work FAQ, The NFT FAQ, etc.
@dystopiabreaker Also because it's 2022 all of these would need to be turned into compelling 30-120 minute long YouTube videos using the written form as a baseline/script to work off of.
@iamwhoisme @paulg Just made me realize I might have it, thank you.
@deepfates This countries priorities:
Party drugs? BANNED
Psychedelic therapeutics? BANNED
Existential crisis trigger that shows you reality is actually pure authoritarian repression? Oh, yeah, you can get that down at the gas station no big deal brah.
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@deepfates The cat can catch it, not joking.
@nosilverv He didn't. He flipped it back on its inventors, which was and continues to be hilarious.
@parafactual The latter, but you can check if the key is a real artist or not.
@parafactual You can go to etherscan and see if they sell any other NFTs, if a named artist is given you can see if that is the key they advertise/if they sell NFTs at all (should be obvious from their social media presence). You can reverse image search and see if the right artist is given.
@parafactual A lot of how people scam bucks by stealing art is either a) getting it from people who are such rubes they won't bother to check if an artist's key is legit (classic cryptography 101 stuff) or b) they rely on time pressure and hope you'll buy at first sight before someone else.
@parafactual NFTs are kind of a double edged sword in that they make attempting art fraud very easy while at the same time making the cost of verifying art provenance cheap, so that the average artist has to worry more about theft while fine art transaction costs trend toward zero.
@parafactual Considering that the 'theft' is largely concerning their ability to exploit a market niche they hold in contempt and has approximately ~0 impact on their ability to otherwise make an income I think that this is basically large net positive utility overall, but it rankles many.
I feel like a lot of Twitter poasters are competing with each other to be the most neutral edgelord possible in blissful ignorance that it's a game Vagrant Holiday has already won.
youtube.com/watch?v=7eFgRxโฆ x.com/eigenrobot/staโฆ https://t.co/VOiRS6cTXN
@eigenrobot My man just watch the video, trust me.
@eigenrobot His riot one is actually the greatest thing ever but I didn't pick that because you have to be signed in to see it.
youtube.com/watch?v=CUO8seโฆ
@eigenrobot > the greatest thing ever
Or at least it *would be*, if he didn't also have a video of himself sneaking onto the extremely off-limits federal prison Island in Puget Sound.
youtube.com/watch?v=2xnI1hโฆ
@eigenrobot You don't have to like it, but this is totally the logical conclusion of eigenrobot's energy. https://t.co/mdGXnr4G4W
@eigenrobot I find the way people are behaving in those clips much more unsettling than the destruction itself. Shows just how thin the veneer of polite society really is.
@eigenrobot It's one thing to destroy things for rational goal-directed reasons. It's another thing entirely to just pick up a weapon and start smashing things for no discernible reason at all besides the animal-joy of destruction.
@eigenrobot It's definitely upsetting to think about who is bearing the costs of that destruction. I imagine how awful it must be to work your way up to a franchise or small store and come back to see its interior absolutely wrecked.
@edenisovan Can you discuss the phenomenology of what it's like to be inside vs. not inside?
@edenisovan What was stopping you from seeing the magic and complex sensory phenomenon before?
@edenisovan What's a concrete example of a way this has changed your behavior, preferably in your day to day life? If you're not paying attention to important things then waking up to see them should give you a lot more options right?
@edenisovan Also, is this related to x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ ?
@edenisovan And if so, what do you think *causes* this? Because the idea of just not noticing your feet are cold is so alien to me.
x.com/nosilverv/statโฆ
@BecomingCritter Nothing else really looks like it, and it fits my persona unusually well.
youtube.com/watch?v=YhCogvโฆ
You're finally awake, you hit your head pretty bad there. GPT-3? Postrat? COVID? 2022? Dude what are you talking about it's 2011, come on I was just reading this great Harry Potter fiction by this guy called 'LessWrong'
Writing the postrat essay is a bittersweet experience. It's nice to know I can refute even the best sophistry, that inference does win in the end. But it's also sad to be 16k words into something and know nobody will read it. It's probably the last essay.
youtube.com/watch?v=4DlnM6โฆ
I hope you took advantage of this hyperliterate period to learn something, anything about what is possible and what is to be done in the months and years to follow. Otherwise I'm afraid you're going to be bewildered and marginalized by what follows.
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
In 2022 I'm simply not convinced the written word does anything, people don't read and as we slide deeper into societal disintegration the audience for these things will only evaporate further. There's more and more to do, less and less to discuss.
x.com/deepfates/statโฆ
@egregirls An alternative phrase is that it is unlikely you will find yourself in the universe where we *just barely* accomplish a goal. Either there's substantial wiggle room or it was probably hopeless in the first place and you're just destroying yourself in the worlds where there's hope
@egregirls You get what I mean. Finding yourself in the place where the only allowable allocation of effort is "everything you've got including the amount to give that destroys you". Occasionally sure that's what it takes, but that should be an intrinsically suspicious narrative.
Everyone is trying to articulate the Big Narrative dividing the phase we're entering, one fruitful frame is greens vs. grays (also known as upwing/downwing).
x.com/eladgil/statusโฆ
Who gets to frame this will have long term ramifications for the whole thing. e.g. upwing/downwing is obviously much more favorable to the upwing contingent, most people are probably not into 'gray' as a color, so maybe it should be 'blue' instead but those are the Democrats...
It isn't just a generic 'tech' vs. not-tech conflict. Seems much more centered around tech-to-transcend vs. tech-to-cope. Hence the arguments around VR and 'metaverse' gaining outsized traction compared to the rest of the batch.
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
Interesting bit of edgelord-ish @algekalipso derivative being inserted into the discourse
x.com/JoshRainerGoldโฆ
theconversation.com/morality-pillsโฆ
@visakanv @TheAlexYao Socrates is the Greek Jesus, in his case he was clearly trying to make a point about Democracy and the wisdom of mobs.
@hyonschu @alexandrosM Then your opponents will control them and have the audience.
@Evolving_Moloch Dude what are you talking about you have one of the best blogs on the Internet.
@Evolving_Moloch I cite it in this post, even if only as a hyperlink: wrestlinggnon.com/extropy/2020/0โฆ
This is an excellent blog that doesn't get nearly enough attention tbh. x.com/Evolving_Molocโฆ
@dystopiabreaker "ohm's forks and their consequences"
@Lithros https://t.co/b6gAShMV1D
@Lithros When I retook it changing all the answers I was on the fence about/could have gone another way on: https://t.co/ILI9d7WGEA
Who's your favorite absolutely unhinged poster on this website? Recommend me them in the replies, no lame "haha my mutual is so unhinged" joke shit I want genuine divergent perspective/schizo stuff. x.com/goekhan/statusโฆ
For me it's NoSilverV, but in the nicest way possible. Absolutely excellent persona, consistently posts borderline psychotic tweets. ๐ฅฐ
x.com/nosilverv/statโฆ
Plus now that he's out of the way rest of ya'll have to actually think for a few seconds to answer.
@hackerfantastic Gnome shell? ๐ง
@hackerfantastic Oh interesting, phosh will actually let me tile my windows?
@hackerfantastic Oh wait that's tmux isn't it.
@eggy_egregore @deepfates No that's the present.
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@visakanv @FPallopides https://t.co/Qb1r0CCNvA
@Probably_Brian @Alephwyr If I phrased it so it's an unambiguous nice thing lets be honest I'd just start getting wrong answers.
@Probably_Brian @Alephwyr And yes Alephwyr is amazing.
dancefighterredux.wordpress.com/2018/07/29/agaโฆ
@nosilverv I was expelled from literally every school within driving distance of my house because I'd violently resist abuses and bodily-coercions from instructors. The level of resistance you needed to put up to skip the worst parts of indoctrination is lower than you could have imagined.
@nosilverv Once you get old enough they'll start throwing you in jail/send you to schools where the instructors are really allowed to hurt you. But before that where I lived at least you could basically just put up a fight and they'd send you home.
@nosilverv Big difference between thinking you're in the ancestral environment and the adults can just kill you vs. you're in civilization and they will get in much more trouble if they hurt you than if you hurt them.
@jackinlondon @nosilverv I mean to be clear I was severely ADD and autistic so the level of thing I couldn't tolerate was way more sensitive than a normal person. I would frequently get overwhelmed by not doing well at something and hide under my desk, which was out of order and invited intervention etc
@jackinlondon @nosilverv But really school instructors are bizarrely petty micromanagers. "Don't rock in your seat" type stuff. The absolute worst was 1st grade when I got my neck wrung for helping a disabled child with a leg brace get his pencil box off the shelf after being told to sit down.
@jackinlondon @nosilverv (No, there is no other context or extenuating circumstances which would make it more understandable, it actually happened more or less as appallingly as the tl;dr would imply)
@jackinlondon @nosilverv Yeah, I think to the extent school damages you it's damage on top of the modal person being basically uninteresting to begin with. The "you start off perfect and the world destroys you" narrative is incompatible with the bell curved shape of mindspace.
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@jackinlondon @nosilverv Eh, it has its upsides. Nothing stops you from developing an attachment to the Just World Fallacy like encountering evil that banal and raw at an early age. "Do a unambiguously even-a-small-child-knows-is good thing and get brutally punished for it." tells you how it really works
@CXGonzalez_ ADHD is typically considered a very specific kind of executive dysfunction, this talk goes into the neurology:
youtube.com/watch?v=SCAGc-โฆ
(It's also an excellent talk in general)
@CXGonzalez_ Disorder of willpower, don't remember well enough to explain beyond that the video goes into lots of detail.
@nosilverv "They recognize that they are weapons. And that they were made to be used to kill other things, and to destroy other things, and they've made peace with that as they've grown into who they are."
youtube.com/watch?v=Q6FzQSโฆ
@TetraspaceWest https://t.co/0VPcjwdznV
"I was satisfied with what I was among men, but I was not satisfied with human nature."
- Gottfried Leibniz, confirmed transhumanist
philosophyfaculty.ucsd.edu/faculty/rutherโฆ https://t.co/OXuwNZxV0z
@TWakalix No no I think this is what they call an 'angel girl', presumably Huxley's roboticization would come with a complimentary sex change.
@imperative_the Why follow me if I'm an NPC lmao
@TetraspaceWest The excerpt is from Elise Bohan's extremely underrated history of transhumanism.
researchgate.net/profile/Elise-โฆ
@eigenrobot @cateliseh Also notice the camera angle, distinctly beneath them like you're shrinking down into your seat out of awkwardness/discomfort and he's pushing forward anyway, deeply intensifies the bad vibes.
@NLRG_ This is true though if you're policy-committed to trading off anything else you can to make sure housing prices never go down because your degenerate late stage empire has made them into an investment vehicle. In that case the only cure is running out of stuff to pawn.
@NLRG_ You know, implicitly modeling the state as a being whose preference for appreciating housing prices implies it will literally crash society before it allows them to go down. I'm not sure this is insane.
@NLRG_ Kind of Guy who supports socialism as an accelerationist measure to cause civilization to burn through its social capital faster so it can be refounded by people who don't have insane irrational values.
@mattparlmer x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@daily_barbarian Actually they know this and bury the lede:
x.com/AmarAmarasingaโฆ
Honestly wish Twitter explained this if they detected you had the right personality type to hear it, because I would have made some different follow/interaction choices if I knew the system would try to ghetto me inside the 'ingroup' verse (which I hate). x.com/deepfates/statโฆ
@deepfates I wonder if it's because they don't actually have a better V node to assign us. Like here's a question, if we could pick our V node(s) what would we want them to be?
@ExistentialEnso This is really good explanation tbh:
x.com/leashless/statโฆ
@ExistentialEnso See also my classic thread: x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@tszzl Perhaps slightly annoyed if I can't get one cheap as a souvenir. You'll have multiple price tiers right?
@tszzl grinning ear to ear irl rn you awful bastard ๐
@visakanv Lost an abyssal whip to karambwan in Runescape, still stings a bit lol.
runescape.fandom.com/wiki/Poison_kaโฆ
@visakanv https://t.co/F5NwASKRNX
@QiaochuYuan @mclegibilist Getting famous raises your communication/transaction costs, reversion to mean as real cranks start to outnumber cranky geniuses in your intake bandwidth.
@acidshill @lastcontrarian But why do they have the delusions? People are usually making a choice on some level to be misinformed.
@acidshill @lastcontrarian In a 1st world country where information is readily accessible and you can just go hear the other guy out, I mean.
@OkaymonNFT @RiversHaveWings x.com/ESYudkowsky/stโฆ
"Oh wow the AI can do math that scares me" if you didn't already update on that when they got it to do code you don't have a mechanical model of AI progress.
@0xGray Wrong prediction this time I'm afraid:
x.com/jordanbpetersoโฆ
@deepfates gdi df
x.com/antoniogm/statโฆ
@eigenrobot @deepfates The banger board knows many things Edd-boy.
Quick PSA going into this:
- Make sure you have alternative contacts for your mutuals, in case a ban wave sweeps through or other hijinks ensue
- In the Twitter settings you can download an archive of your tweets, DMs, etc. Do this, if the worst happens you'll want your bangers x.com/direct_symbol/โฆ
This is something I figured but never bothered to confirm, that the distribution of personalities across human history is relatively stable and 'rationality' vs. folk epistemology just expresses itself differently across cultures while varying in its adaptiveness. x.com/meekaale/statuโฆ
@nosilverv https://t.co/6o73WWt5fx
I hope you all have a plan to rugpull ingroup when it becomes too normie.
@natural_hazard @deepfates > Are tech peeps going to hypserstition their own resistance from the left
Can't parse this, elaborate?
@natural_hazard @deepfates Never interrupt yourself in the process of causing your opponent to make a mistake.
@vraiqx Euphoria can't be far behind tbh
@deepfates https://t.co/nfDM1pkoxG
@ExistentialEnso The ducks look great, this is just more gaslight grind.
@ExistentialEnso tbh I remember looking at them at one point and going "dang, this might be the most aesthetic NFT pfp collection I've seen so far".
@MacaesBruno > the kidult tastes of the mass audience
Talking about Bruno, learning about that neologism, has instantly made my life worse. https://t.co/Ob0SYAdJEj
@deepfates Being at the bottom of the iceberg can be extremely powerful if you know how to use it.
@TylerAlterman Apocalypse, recursion, meta (e.g. threats to me in my sleep, lucid dreaming), waking up when I reach an insurmountable obstacle/imminent death.
"To recap: memes make us forget how to think certain types of thoughts, to feel certain types of feelings. "
This is cute but the mechanism is just compression, you learned the thing and no longer need more samples for novelty. There's no black magic involved calm down. x.com/miraculous_cakโฆ
thereโs a type of guy who is:
- cringe STEM aesthetic
- has a Ph.D/Masters
- yet an unrepentant midwit
- and insists on loudly sharing his opinions about esoteric ideas
i love them. theyโre the rote explorers of concept space, immune to social feedback
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_de_Gโฆ https://t.co/N1CScONHYY
The thing that gives this kind of guy his distinct flavor is his rote application of ideas. He just does the most straightforward midwit application of the ideas possible.
Every time
Over and over
Well past the boundaries of both social politeness and (usually) common sense.
His strength is in his stupidity, he can't be confused out of stating the consequences of his beliefs, so he will. He already lives like an outcast so harsh critique doesn't bother him. This allows him to occasionally stumble into brilliance by stating the elephant in the room.
Robin Hanson is a good example of someone who runs this strategy with a ton more IQ points put into it, it's part of what makes his persona so weird. Normally only an idiot would write a book like Age of Em, but Robin Hanson is undeniably brilliant and his writing reflects that.
tfw Roon is melting Twitter's servers with shape rotator discourse, reality starting to warp https://t.co/yczoSrRkxc
@_Donny_Dude I mean they have a general strategy of always picking the most straightforward next inference step, no matter what the context or situation.
"Intelligence is good but machines are going to get so intelligent they destroy us...our destruction is good then I guess."
Scissor statement farmers getting a great crop this year.
Social heuristic: For a group of people, especially on the Internet, ask yourself "who's going somewhere?"
If you realize that the people going somewhere are going for the exit that group is on its way out.
@ExistentialEnso It's almost like it was never about any of that.
@The_True_DanK @ExistentialEnso The status quo (fandom, furries, etc) want *control* of art to be financially cheap and socially expensive, that's what they've based their strategy on. A fine art market for ordinary people is apocalyptic, it gives their captured personas new options.
x.com/leashless/statโฆ
@The_True_DanK @ExistentialEnso Pretty much every criticism of NFTs, that they're wasteful or have no intrinsic value (and therefore somehow "a scam" even if all buyers are aware of this) is a criticism that would apply equally well to the traditional fine art market. This is FUD to try and keep newcomers away.
@leashless @The_True_DanK @ExistentialEnso That's very flattering, but it's not so much brilliance as understanding the social structure of something like furry and then seeing how it will naturally conflict with NFT markets. In furry art most characters depicted are tied to a real person. It's a stable patronage pattern.
@leashless @The_True_DanK @ExistentialEnso The social norms in furry (don't use other peoples characters, have a fursona, etc) are, whatever their origin, ones which conveniently capture energy and replicate the patronage relationship to a new audience. The generative aspect brings in new people who join the subculture.
@leashless @The_True_DanK @ExistentialEnso Furry wants to be your identity, it's an art market with stable patronage relationships built on social relations (e.g. commissioning art of yourself as your character with your friends character) which generates constant new works that are usually shared freely as a public good.
@leashless @The_True_DanK @ExistentialEnso This is similar to NFT markets which generate constant new works (because desirable 1/1 NFTs are sold once) and provide identity with avatar pfp collections people invest in as fraternities. It's a mirror of the furry world built on capital, so it's natural for the two to compete
@leashless @The_True_DanK @ExistentialEnso When NFTs are new and people don't really understand them, one of the easiest forms of competition is misinformation. Tell people that the public goods NFTs provide aren't actually public goods, but an insidious new DRM scheme! NFT artists could respond by using creative commons.
If the now-distant founder of your intellectual movement seems like an untouchable demigod it means your collective efforts have failed to even reach the level you started with, let alone exceed it.
It means you're failing.
Marxists typically fail by studying Marx instead of doing what Marx did.
General Semantics partially failed because people hero-worshipped Korzybski instead of continually constructing a system of thought in the way he would have had he continued to be in prime working age.
The later editions of Drive Yourself Sane which are basically peddling the same 1940's era material that was contemporary when Korzybski was alive are a condemnation of the entire movement, but not of Korzybski.
@LapsusLima Eh, I think it's subtler than that. Someone will sit down and produce a Great Work, and people become enamored with it. They study the work but fail to notice the unique qualities of its author. A potential study in agency and strategy is replaced with literary critique.
Ironically enough, Korzybski said that if you want to really understand a book you should study its author. But it wasn't until relatively recently (2011) that a comprehensive biography of Korzybski's life was published.
@kejames Actually it's not that hard to define at all, an ageing capitalist system tends towards overfitting on its objective function, eating up the taken-for-granteds it grows on as a substrate and then doing lethal exponential damage through externalities.
x.com/imrankhan/statโฆ
@nickcammarata > Could feel it and didnโt want it to be true and wished I could unfeel it
What's the big deal? Your information/pattern continues to exist and retain its value regardless of your beliefs about phenomenological experience.
@nickcammarata To be honest not sure there's any internal experience I could have that would convince me of something like open individualism. It's simply so absurd that personally experiencing it through insight meditation would just convince me I glitched my brain.
@deepfates On the other hand he got way more boring.
Oh my god yes finally please x.com/bgmasters/statโฆ
@DastardlyDucks When you sell stickers at a con for ten bux, that's a pyramid scheme. Poor bastards thinking they'll resell them later as souvenirs ten years down the line on the secondary market once you're big, smh.
@DastardlyDucks You used rapid shipping? Do you have any idea how much energy is used by the global shipping system, how it's killing us all? Only thing left to do is-
Leftcult is a fucking menace, stop pretending you're anything other than a death cult.
Nobody ever stops posting, this is an iron law that lets you predict the outcome of most impending dramas.
"Surely they'll notice this can only end in disaster?"
Does it require them to stop posting? Then no.
@ExistentialEnso Imagine explaining to your spouse that you lost your job because you were cyberbullying trans girls into suicide over selling JPEGs.
This but unironically x.com/jdcmedlock/staโฆ
Focus on what you want to see more of. x.com/Logo_Daedalus/โฆ
@fumeiji Is the actual thing, sarcasm and memes aside.
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@fumeiji These things can both be true at the same time.
A cautionary tale https://t.co/3wLe08w1qK
@tszzl You before this tweet, you after https://t.co/E4oFFN9zdO
@varunramg Honey we have a long way to go.
x.com/deepfates/statโฆ
@jdan @eigenrobot You are fulfilling the prophecy and we love you, don't worry.
@jdan @eigenrobot Top left square is when the ritual is complete and the Roon timeline begins:
x.com/deepfates/statโฆ
@TylerAlterman So what are you planning to do with your now powers of clarity?
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@tszzl @Nearcyan Local maxima, not peak.
@deepfates Nobody ever stops posting.
mobile.twitter.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@TylerAlterman @ramez The World Of Null-A by A.E. van Vogt, the story that inspired Harry Potter and The Methods Of Rationality
@TylerAlterman @ramez An interesting article about the man who wrote it and the subcultural context he wrote it in: buttondown.email/finnbrunton/arโฆ
@egregirls x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@egregirls Vi veri veniversum vivus vici
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
"Every year, the researchers ... who make up the community of the Michigan State University Artificial Language Laboratory celebrate the anniversary of the first use of a speech prosthesis in history ... to order a pizza over the telephone. "
youtube.com/watch?v=94d_h_โฆ
@chaosprime https://t.co/QkEistshXH
@chaosprime (Since few understand: If you live in the kind of reality where this works then any FAI which revives you/is selected into appearing has an incentive to make sure your measure is dominated by purgatory because you were smart enough to do this but chose not to help your timelines)
@aobuttbaby @pimmhogeling @danielson_eth No. It's just a (cryptographically) signed copy, it's not really different then if you buy a signed print from someone except because this is digital you can dispense with the print and sell the signature on its own.
@aobuttbaby @pimmhogeling @danielson_eth If that sounds dumb, keep in mind you can buy a print of the Mona Lisa but it is not worth anything even sniffing the value of the original. "Signed is worth much more than unsigned" is a long standing art world norm that shouldn't shock anybody.
@aobuttbaby @pimmhogeling @danielson_eth When you sell the signature to someone there's a record of transaction which can't be faked, making it cheaper to verify than usual fine art sales where an expensive appraisal has to be brought in to prevent forgeries. Removing this barrier means normal people can trade fine art.
@aobuttbaby @pimmhogeling @danielson_eth "Why are they so ugly then? Who is paying this much money for ugly apes as 'fine art'?"
Yeah those aren't really fine art sales, they're buying/selling fraternity memberships using the same mechanism. I suggest indies like Hic Et Nunc for fine art:
restofworld.org/2021/inside-brโฆ
@aobuttbaby @pimmhogeling @danielson_eth "But how does an ordinary person actually verify a signature is really from the author?"
The same ways you'd verify if merchandise sold by a web store is really endorsed by the artist basically.
mobile.twitter.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@visakanv See it's not that you can be maximally right or maximally wrong, if you were maximally right you'd have ascended by now. What you actually are is in a local optima, and if you try too hard you'll wind up cannibalizing your future growth. Penny wise pound foolish.
@nosilverv x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
I honestly don't understand how people get confused about this. It's like they've never read the biography of a famous mathematician before. Let alone the biography of the smartest most prolific mathematician: Neumann liked both, you telling me you're going to be bigger than him? x.com/the_aiju/statuโฆ
@the_aiju I mean in total fairness I'm not sure Neumann in particular had a good biography until recently. But still.
unherd.com/2021/11/the-geโฆ
@the_aiju Biography is one of the most despised genres and my absolute favorite anyway precisely because it slays misconceptions like this. Nietzsche makes so much more sense when you know this about him:
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@the_aiju I've never read that one, but I've read this one and know it's both a semi-biography of Neumann and quite good:
amazon.com/Turings-Cathedโฆ
Music is especially mind blowing here, considering that 20th century music was trying its best to become like mathematics:
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@tszzl @venwithmen I think she's mostly right tbh.
@redcar_tenken I would think it would be if you're going to try and become one? If you're a physicist and you haven't read Feynman's biography I have to imagine people would give you strange looks.
@redcar_tenken Not sure it needs to be suggested to you if your goal is to become The Greatest at something. Bill Gates probably wasn't told to read Napoleon's biography on his quest for greatness, but he did. (And I read his biography, etc)
@FrankieIsLost You mean about three days ago?
x.com/tszzl/status/1โฆ
@ExistentialEnso > We're gonna make web3 weird and queer
Has anyone even surveyed the demographics? It probably already is.
@PrinceVogel There's this tweet around here (mb the account got deleted) that goes something like "The most intolerable part of the current political regime is the way it seamlessly oscillates between screaming VAE VICTUS at you and then shivering in fear at how toxic and dangerous you are."
@PrinceVogel There are only two genders and all respectable elites are nonbinary.
No self awareness
No-self awareness
Finally @tszzl
(The game reset/I accidentally touched before I could screencap the record itself, but here's my attempts leading up to it) https://t.co/88JZ2yblSw
@zetalyrae x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@interpretantion The art thing is actually already pretty practical:
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@deepfates The new 1080 looking awesome bro:
youtube.com/watch?v=5HLGwyโฆ
@no_earthquake @interpretantion ???
Tetris was the OG shape rotator game (@tszzl)
youtube.com/watch?v=LH6Z_Wโฆ
Need an edit of this which is roon folding up various Twitter personalities and stuffing them into the Know Your Meme page
@Meaningness > Maybe something interesting will come out of DL after all.
It hasn't already?
@tszzl > the prolific Twitter shitposter roon
So this is going in your bio right?
@no_earthquake @NicholasBardy @interpretantion There's plenty of non-pfp NFTs being sold at a much lower price point than e.g. apes.
restofworld.org/2021/inside-brโฆ
The rush of novelty and wacky hijinks you're experiencing right now is the simulators way of compensating you for your lifespan getting cut short by the end of the world.
@tszzl It's a smart contract, you can probably just write your own OpenSea client for minting tweets.
@tszzl I was actually thinking about writing one for Hic Et Nunc/Teia.
@cauchyfriend extropian.net/notice/A8aYjO2โฆ https://t.co/7JBYmmA3A9
A must have to wistfully recall civilization before the collapse in your nuclear bunker. x.com/PaperPaul2/staโฆ
In case you lost track of the "autistic genocide" subplot during all this, you should be aware we're minutes to midnight now. x.com/_rdgao/status/โฆ https://t.co/i5xeXRLQnI
@nosilverv A man is born gentle and weak.
At his death he is hard and stiff.
Green plants are tender and filled with sap.
At their death they are withered and dry.
Therefore the stiff and unbending is the disciple of death.
The gentle and yielding is the disciple of life.
@nosilverv Thus an army without flexibility never wins a battle.
A tree that is unbending is easily broken.
The hard and strong will fall.
The soft and weak will overcome.
- Tao Te Ching, Chapter 76 (wussu.com/laotzu/laotzu7โฆ)
@EdwardTufte https://t.co/wUAItfnAvx
@EdwardTufte From: mit.edu/hacker/hacker.โฆ
Written advice which cannot take the subjective perspective of its readers into account and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. x.com/Virtual1nstincโฆ
If someone can actually look at the person they're talking to they're much less likely to reinforce their toxic point of reference than if my "slightly evil" is your "ordinary healthy behavior".
@PrinceVogel en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_H.โฆ
@PrinceVogel https://t.co/8FdnKH1aLc
Probably the best argument in favor of the existence of magic is that hypnosis still has an epistemic status of "Is that even real?" after the invention of instantaneous electronic communication of credible eyewitness testimony and writing. https://t.co/c2twj3VImj
This remains true even though hypnosis is pretty much unambiguously real and can be successfully performed by a reasonably intelligent person after a few hours of research.
@images_ai @RiversHaveWings @ak92501 Not yet, you can try it now here:
gist.github.com/crowsonkb/37dfโฆ
Do not write a service which uses phone number for 2FA or password reset. x.com/joellatto/statโฆ
"It is important to remember that the core problem of the atomic bomb is humanity harnessing a level of energy with which it can kill itself." x.com/zetalyrae/statโฆ https://t.co/6mLl504vbU
@egregirls https://t.co/wEZpeUh3ae
@ObserverSuns This is what Fristonians actually believe.
@egregirls I voted B, but everyone has harmful externalities and fixating is bad. To me it's something like "Myopia. The sort of agent that converts positive sum to zero and negative sum dynamics. Wants to capture energy, skilled people, etc, not generate them. Weak empathy, finite games."
@egregirls "Will only maximize total utility in exchange for a bribe", things like that.
e.g. some of the scenarios in idrlabs.com/gender-game/teโฆ seem unambiguously evil to me if you choose the 'female' option.
Wow, @deepfates scissor varies depending on the audience of the account, new literary analysis technique just dropped x.com/nickcammarata/โฆ
@TetraspaceWest I think you hit the wrong imp.
@robinhanson You could probably run this exact experiment using paper abstracts or some other excerpt mechanism.
papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfโฆ https://t.co/YagMFyRp14
@RiversHaveWings In the next stage you'll be making photomosaics where each 'pixel' in the image drawn with CLIP/CLOOB is in fact a tiny diffusion artwork color shifted to be the right tone for the macroscale picture.
x.com/dystopiabreakeโฆ https://t.co/rzck0a0Psz
@EpistemicHope @ESYudkowsky I think this is describing one kind of 'postrationalist', there's a more substantial kind of objection to a lot of the ethos of the sequences which is more rigorous and basically described in the writings of Scott Alexander.
It looks more like:
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@EpistemicHope @ESYudkowsky Given it's a conflict theory, I think there are a lot of people who would desperately like you to believe it's "just a vibe" so that you don't actually perceive them correctly.
@PrinceVogel Not sure I understand the thread of connection through these (having only read one), but a stab in the dark: The Diamond Age by Stephenson. Has the whole "trouble in quasi-utopian future society" plot, mostly focused on social impacts rather than technical details, named factions
"If you want to know when the American system of government will collapse, consult an actuarial table." x.com/MacaesBruno/stโฆ
I fear what replaces it will be much worse.
theupheaval.substack.com/p/no-the-revolโฆ
@contentlove She actually does mint them as NFTs: chainbreakers.kath.io
@shadowcat_mst Worth considering, but IMO overconsidered. There's a certain kind of extreme condescension in it, people do in fact seem to have a formative period and expecting them to just 'age out' of views you don't like is dangerously naive.
@percebus @EricRWeinstein x.com/eigenrobot/staโฆ
Crypto scammers are starting to put in effort proportional to the rewards, readjust your priors accordingly. x.com/thomasg_eth/stโฆ
Anybody know which notebook Geoffrey Johnson used for these? x.com/FedeItaliano76โฆ
> tfw you clip into the backrooms IRL t.co/CoHafM4ODA
@EpistemicHope @ESYudkowsky LessWrong spawned at least three different social movements calling themselves 'rationality', a transhumanist intellectual movement, a literary movement (ratfic/glowfic), and a self help movement.
@EpistemicHope @ESYudkowsky There are basically two kinds of postrat (to massively oversimplify and restrict ourselves to people who were once 'rationalists'), people who started prioritizing subjective interventions over 'objective' rationality and socialites.
x.com/genghisnyan/stโฆ
@EpistemicHope @ESYudkowsky The subjective intervention people are the successor to the failed rationality self help movement. Beyond a certain point of trying to become better at seeing the world clearly, you realize flaws in your implementation of cognition (i.e. trauma) overshadow object level beliefs.
@EpistemicHope @ESYudkowsky Their conflict theory is usually kind of left wing flavored, "school is there to teach you not to think and not to move under your own power" kind of stuff. Psychedelics are illegal because bad people benefit from trauma. That kind of thing.
@EpistemicHope @ESYudkowsky The socialites (these people predominate on Twitter for obvious reasons) have a different conflict theory centered around culture war/competition.
sonyasupposedly.com/multiplayer-psโฆ https://t.co/wIqQVhbF1u
@EpistemicHope @ESYudkowsky Because of the culture wars emphasis it's unsurprising that most of their ideas are explored on SlateStarCodex (if not originate from).
Socialites believe most of life success is in anti-inductive domains so 'rationality' is self defeating.
slatestarcodexabridged.com/The-Phatic-Andโฆ https://t.co/QtESn9tyoH
@EpistemicHope @ESYudkowsky Socialites also think that since most communication is nonverbal you shouldn't articulate arguments. That makes you legible and open to attack. Instead you hint towards your argument and focus on promoting aesthetics which make it natural to believe.
slatestarcodexabridged.com/Book-Review-Seโฆ
@EpistemicHope @ESYudkowsky It's common for intellectual movement leaders to not care about anyone outside the top nth percentile, so socialites can win by infiltrating the middle tiers and occupying lines of communication to block sincerity, redirecting social capital into partying.
@EpistemicHope @ESYudkowsky When the victims are autistic, it can take a long time to recognize the bad faith at work. Especially if you're 'vibing' and giving the impression you have esoteric knowledge that would prevent someone from understanding why your party is Good Actually.
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@EpistemicHope @ESYudkowsky The trauma and socialite conflict theories converge onto a mutual interest in motte-baileying 'rationalists'. Socialites amplify genuine critique to sneak in aesthetics that will hopefully cripple reason, making it less effective at expelling parasites.
x.com/nosilverv/statโฆ
@EpistemicHope @ESYudkowsky Whereas the trauma people see 'rationality' as a vehicle to amplify state power and coerce people into capitalist/state systems of value capture (cf. legibility) Obfuscation is a tactic to try and decelerate the ascent of technocapital. Hence gaslighting.
x.com/nosilverv/statโฆ
@EpistemicHope @ESYudkowsky Scott Alexander's post on legibility emphasizes the tax benefits, but this is misunderstanding modernism as an ideology. To *rationalize* a domain like a forest is to remove degrees of freedom until it observably maximizes the behavior you want. Insurrectionists can't hide in it. https://t.co/KYXV0qaGQd
@EpistemicHope @ESYudkowsky A lot of the point of postmodernism is to show that rationality is an operation you apply to the natural world to make it tractable for your goals. But your goals are a utility, and utilities are subjective. So even if the methods are objective their rationale is not.
@EpistemicHope @ESYudkowsky To some people this is intuitive and the idea it would be a grand revelation is kind of odd. To others it obliterates what they expected systems to do for them (provide meaning, what utility should be) and systems are refuted by the observation.
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@EpistemicHope @ESYudkowsky Foucault famously observed that when you begin applying rationalization to people you get schools, prisons, psychiatric institutions, etc. 'High modernism' is cargo culting the method of rationalization, but the violence in it is sleight-of-handed in all narratives about reason.
@EpistemicHope @ESYudkowsky Right now modernist reconstruction projects try to cleverly evade postmodernism. But I suspect the truly virile reconstruction will reclaim and justify the violence in modernism as an explicit part of its narrative, perhaps through showing how it yields a common good for people.
@EpistemicHope @ESYudkowsky @EpistemicHope Does that help at all?
@EpistemicHope @ESYudkowsky If this sounds impossible, I suspect it's a lot of why 'startup culture' has done so well. The rhetoric is functionally Italian Futurism but with economics.
Probably the peak of this was when Paul Graham asked for Hollywood-killing startup ideas:
web.archive.org/web/2012050106โฆ
@nvpkp Probably stop talking to people and dedicate 100% of mental energy to techno-obsessed introverted mad science.
youtube.com/watch?v=849q2hโฆ
@embryosophy > it obviously isnโt if youโre actually paying attention to how your body feels, and noticing the rocks and trees and shit
Maybe you should try asking the AI researchers how they get to the point where those feel computational instead of assuming they're unaware they exist.
@egregirls @embryosophy x.com/VansianMagic/sโฆ
@egregirls @embryosophy Jokes aside, to make sure I understand this you don't think people absolutely obsessed with figuring out how to build general intelligence didn't spend hours, days, weeks, years of time hyperfocusing on operations like 'noticing things' and asking "how the *heck* do I do that?"
@egregirls @embryosophy When the net gets big enough, you can almost start to feel its body coming together. The symbols blur and their ridges feel like a rib cage, sewing the sinews by running your cursor over each rib and connecting it to the others. Like doing surgery on an abstract being. https://t.co/X7t5ggF32D
@egregirls @embryosophy I was simply sharing an experience, it's not actually related to what we were talking about.
@egregirls @embryosophy Like the formal "what is noticing from the inside" is a bunch of signal processing stuff that won't convince anyone. So instead I figured I'd reply with an interesting non-sequitur.
@embryosophy @egregirls I have this friend who has abusive schizo voices and works on AI, and they tell me that one of their favorite things is being able to write a program from scratch (GPT-2+) which can use language better than their voices can. It defeats their claims to mystical omnipotence.
@embryosophy @egregirls I guess I'm prone to sudden bursts of irrelevant emotion/experience because to me this is one of the central mysteries of creation. "Helen Keller wasn't a real person" fills me with insensate rage, and this is like a cousin to it.
medium.com/@blaisea/do-laโฆ https://t.co/DZwoKD88vI
Experimenting with nuclear fission is a trauma response.
@morning_yearn @EpistemicHope @ESYudkowsky Making things amenable to reason often involves processing them into something with few enough degrees of freedom to be tractable. This is frequently an act of violence.
This is also reason's Jungian shadow, so postmodernism expects to reliably spook it by presenting its image.
@morning_yearn @EpistemicHope @ESYudkowsky youtube.com/watch?v=ZcWeE3โฆ
@morning_yearn @EpistemicHope @ESYudkowsky youtube.com/watch?v=BpgUQYโฆ
@morning_yearn @EpistemicHope @ESYudkowsky Sorry I didn't answer your question: The verb 'rationalization' is used here to differentiate from 'reason' which is a internal, 'neutral' activity. 'Rationalization' in the sense I'm talking about is an application of reason to the external world, which has moral consequences.
@morning_yearn @EpistemicHope @ESYudkowsky I do, yeah.
@embryosophy @egregirls "A portrait of a schizophrenic <PERSON> with butterflies swarming around them in dazzling patterns"
(CLIP Conditioned Diffusion [cc12m_1_cfg]) https://t.co/CUzmuDWZR2
@genghisnyan @EpistemicHope @ESYudkowsky I mean, I'm just describing meaningness.com/geeks-mops-socโฆ again.
@genghisnyan @EpistemicHope @ESYudkowsky That seems basically like what happened, however the 'postrats' aren't really analogous to the Ayn Rand Institute *or* the Atlas Society. They're also not really "left for something else". Closer to "bizarre reactionary sect that reverses the stupidity to get new stupidity".
@genghisnyan @EpistemicHope @ESYudkowsky However in my thread I was more describing the 2017-2020 era of postrat, where there was still a rationalist diaspora ecosystem for it to eat. In that context it was both successor in some respects and parasite in others, but this is all old scene drama by this point.
@genghisnyan @EpistemicHope @ESYudkowsky Also important to note that the diaspora still exists for the intellectual and literary parts of the movement, I singled out 'self help' because that is a specific strain of 'rationalist' thought which is now more or less totally extinct, even as other branches lived on.
@genghisnyan @EpistemicHope @ESYudkowsky Also of all the things that have aged poorly for me I have to say that the EY hero worship is really disturbing now that I have a better idea of how the guy became his persona. He is not that mystifying.
x.com/EpistemicHope/โฆ
@RiversHaveWings Many such cases, 2021 AI art could totally use a documentary in this style.
youtube.com/watch?v=VCI7oqโฆ
@RiversHaveWings x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
"the first day of the waters"
(CLIP Guided V Diffusion [yfcc_2]) https://t.co/Frhg5pbjPu
"a utopian cityscape in the retrofuturistic eschaton"
(CLIP Guided V Diffusion [yfcc_2]) https://t.co/zASUBDXWIA
"ascent to the peak of everest"
(CLIP Guided V Diffusion [yfcc_2]) https://t.co/4IVci9yBDM
"a view from the top of a skyscraper onto the city streets below"
(CLIP Guided V Diffusion [yfcc_2]) https://t.co/Xhht29rg4U
@prerationalist @pervexists69 It's often speculated that this is the basic reason why humans have no natural claws or weapons.
@softminus "moses gives a sermon about pumpkin magnetism"
(CLIP Guided V Diffusion [yfcc_2]) https://t.co/tDtjv2PMS7
@paulg As a guy who works fine over IM text conversations, there's something really weird and off about Zoom that makes it soul crushing in a way in person isn't. I've never tried VR and wonder if it would alleviate whatever it is, but Zoom/etc in particular feels super awkward.
@paulg It's the worst of both worlds really. You have to stay in one location but you also don't have freedom within that location, have to keep yourself within the camera view, in order to look someone in the eyes you have to look at the camera not their eyes, etc.
@VividVoid_ > No matter, if Baudrillard was right the rest of us are about to disappear, so
Oh?
@nosilverv No alpha left in generalist/public intellectual discourse and essays, the scenes worth joining in the future are mostly going to be specialist discourses and skills.
x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
@nosilverv https://t.co/WdQWnGt0JN
Do you feel like you're the protagonist?
The replies on this one could get interesting.
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@Virtual1nstinct Do you need to explain it to him? If not, don't and just make your money.
@Virtual1nstinct "We went up to the three snorting beasts, to lay amorous hands on their torrid breasts. I stretched out on my car like a corpse on its bier, but revived at once under the steering wheel, a guillotine blade that threatened my stomach."
unknown.nu/futurism/manifโฆ https://t.co/kSrQ0mXGdZ
It would be like if every time you used Amazon you actually transacted with a small vendor who gets your full banking info and can drain all the money from your account, with no recourse.
When are we going to talk about how
it's not possible to abstract over the execution of arbitrary code handling money
and not only should OpenSea not exist but nothing like OpenSea should exist?
This is also the basic problem at the heart of the "send you a malicious NFT and if you interact with it you're pwned" exploit. The system is working exactly as designed, the bug is that wallets are trying to lazily abstract over executing arbitrary code.
x.com/debdrens/statuโฆ
"What if I have a really cool idea that needs to execute arbitrary code?"
Then it should need to gain user trust on its own merits, not hidden behind a 'marketplace' where *buying and selling* are nonstandard domain specific operations implemented by anons on a per-asset basis.
"What if I want my NFTs to only be mintable up to a certain number?"
Then there should be a standard contract for that whose code is whitelisted and the platform should verify it is exactly that code and nothing else before letting your token on to trade.
"What's the alternative?"
I'm not saying smart contracts shouldn't exist, but you can't manage them like they're an undifferentiated commodity. That is absolute insanity.
Most NFTs should be on platforms like Teia which use a standard set of contracts to mint, buy, and trade.
@Virtual1nstinct @OfKimbriki > leaded gasoline
Thanks to the internal combustion engine, many many such cases.
This is one of those iron laws that you ignore at your own peril, which many continue to ignore at their continued peril. x.com/punk6529/statuโฆ
@Virtual1nstinct @OfKimbriki He saved the world and you don't even know who he is.
mentalfloss.com/article/94569/โฆ
@ObserverSuns x.com/jd_pressman/stโฆ
"Rationalism Gothic" is a lot like Serial Experiments Lain, there's no point in writing a sequel because the state of affairs it's commenting on has already come to pass, Rationalism Gothic is just our lives now.
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@PrinceVogel I finally found it
x.com/Maarblek/statuโฆ
There's a certain kind of author on here who is really eager to tell you the way you are in the 2nd person. They attract an anxious-OCD following that is addicted to the private feeling of being negatively 'seen'. But parasocial psychoanalysis mostly relies on the Barnum effect. https://t.co/aUizx5EoR1
Admit it, you like hurting people. This isn't about helping anybody, not even you. You're not a therapist, you just like telling them they're inferior. Sometimes you even get to say it out loud! But usually you just imply it, smiling at the thought of making someone's skin crawl.
The proper response when someone writes something like this to 'you' when it's actually their Twitter audience is simple: Fuck off. We ruthlessly mock diagnosing someone you just met over the Internet, so why is it acceptable to write like this to people you haven't even met?
At some point someone will figure out a way to construct a turing complete automata out of their crypto taxes and submit a parasitic computing paper to PoC || GTFO, killing the genre.
@textfiles Glad to have you here โค๏ธ
Encouraging a personal relationship to collective action problems is a way for corporations and politicians to externalize the responsibility for their harms onto the body politic.
fortune.com/2022/02/04/cenโฆ
So you know the old pre-MMA martial arts scene where everyone was pretending that their school was magic descended from the Great Master Buddha-Christ-Muhammad himself which lets you throw fireballs and do kickflips off walls?
That's basically what modernity is with systems. x.com/tszzl/status/1โฆ
Chapman/et al act like the problem is that people claim systems can provide ultimate meaning, but tbh it's so much worse than that, if that was all it is it'd be pretty benign.
What's actually happening is that these narrow relatively specialized things are claiming to be systems of ultimate meaning and rampantly plagiarizing each other to advertise themselves as producing insights they never could have acquired on their own.
Which is 10,000x worse.
Thinking about intentionally cultivating a lower threshold for tweeting, being more emotional, daydream-y and esoteric. Mostly because I'm not going to have a lot to say about the upcoming plot points (Canada, Ukraine, global famine).
Would you be comfortable with this change?
@egregirls I think your cluster B content strategy is working fairly well and changing it might be premature. On the other hand I relate much more to cluster A so from a totally selfish perspective would enjoy seeing what you make of it.
@egregirls youtube.com/watch?v=7csTssโฆ
"night of the chromatic aberration" https://t.co/YYDPVpcwFq
@Virtual1nstinct No. And unfortunately the sooner you realize your dad is just some guy the better.
@Virtual1nstinct Many such cases, this happens to the estranged children of unambiguously wealthy people all the time. I've even known some of them.
Them, crying: "please stop summoning daemons from the platonic realm, our economy can't handle any more-"
Me, summoning my latest daemon from the platonic realm: "lmao no"
You might think this is an AI tweet, but it's also a cryptocurrency tweet.
It's a good thing Nazis are nonsentient and couldn't ever directly use this to their advantage or be persuaded to by a 3rd party in exchange for concessions towards their goals. x.com/whoiszhu/statuโฆ
"They've already abandoned you, you're one of us now."
"Love having the ability to dissolve competing movements targeting my audience just by showing up and assimilating some portion of their followers."
Humanity has possibly never been more anthropocentric than it is at this moment. In accepting the Fermi Paradox and with it the mantle of responsibility, we've excised all nonhuman minds from our lore. We are not capable of reaching out to corvids, octopi, dolphins, or AI.
Cancellations often hinge on vulgarity because they're more about class than the opinion being expressed. It's horror at the idea that someone is masquerading as your class but actually used to be a member of a lower class. Going crazy over decade old tweets is hyperclassism.
@egregirls Cluster A result: Imposter syndrome
Cluster B result: Narcissism
Stumbled across years-old discussion of one of my posts criticizing LessWrong rationality and I'm a little blackpilled by the communication barrier. I said that "star to star collaboration is rare" and had in mind big-fishes-in-small pond but readers thought I meant Robin Hanson.
Your ideas really don't need to travel far when you're writing politely (i.e. not naming names) for them to be wildly misinterpreted. It was this criticism of the part of the diaspora I happened to be in and taking notes on but people thought it applied to "Effective Altruism".
With sufficient lack of charity you can make any author sound like an idiot.
Most educated people can't read. They can sit down, scan their eyes over a book, and infer what they're supposed to read from keywords and phrases. But few reliably parse grammar. Being able to read someone you don't like logically and grammatically straight is a superpower.
"You don't need to be smart to be loved": Affectionate, good natured, prosocial, Law of Jantepilled
"You don't need to be loved, you're allowed to let people hate you": Ratio'd, callous, mean spirited, threatening to power and e