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What Do You Mean By That?

Join multi-ethnic co-hosts Sara + Misasha - two wickedly smart, heart-led, long-distance best friends - as they help folks talk smarter and think deeper about the world around us. Whether it's about science, history, current events, social justice, or more, their community consists of people who want to be better humans, to benefit all of us. We won't let the fire hose of information overwhelm us. Whether you're a seasoned expert or new to the work, you'll find yourself listening, learning, and…

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33: Redlining Explained: History, Housing Discrimination & the Latest Policy Updates

If you were with us back in our early days, you remember we did a whole episode on redlining: the history of it, the literal red lines drawn on maps in the 1930s to keep Black and immigrant families out of the mortgage market, and how that legacy still shapes segregation and the racial wealth gap today. We're including that full episode, edited slightly for context, in this conversation. What we…

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32: The Psychology of Good and Evil: Raising Active Bystanders with Prof. Ervin Staub

Here's your chance to listen to a firsthand account of one of the most horrible parts of our recent human history, and how we stop it from happening again. This episode features a conversation with a psychologist whose life's work sits at the intersection of two of humanity's most extreme capacities: the capacity for cruelty, and the capacity for courage. A survivor of the Holocaust in Hungary,…

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31: The Words We Use, The People We Judge: A Conversation on Incarceration with Marcus Bullock

Do you know someone who's been incarcerated? Have you ever actually asked them their story, instead of judging them on that one fact? Because 95% of incarcerated people eventually leave prison and come home. They are our neighbors, our coworkers, our family members. Here's why this is relevant to you today: This administration has made "tough on crime" the centerpiece of its second term - among…

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30: The Supreme Court Ruled on Transgender Athletes: Here's Who Got Left Out of the Story - Airs 7-14-26 - with Schuyler Bailar

On June 30th, 2026, the Supreme Court ruled that states can bar transgender girls and women from competing on girls' and women's teams. Six to three. It's now the law in over half the country. And however you feel about that ruling, here's what we noticed in the days after it came down: almost none of the coverage actually talked to a transgender kid, or the parent raising one. It was all policy.…

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29: The Story They Don't Want You To Know: The REAL Native American Experience In America, with Crystal Echo Hawk

Crystal Echo Hawk's daughter gets asked if she still lives in a teepee. And Crystal's response isn't rage - it's something more unsettling. She gets it. Because 87% of American schools stop teaching about Native peoples after 1900, and 78% of Americans know very little about Native people. So that question, as painful as it is, makes a terrible kind of sense. The last data point most Americans…

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28: Who Gets to Be American? Japanese Internment, Reparations, and the Fight for Constitutional Rights with John Tateishi

Imagine you're six years old. You look out past a barbed wire fence at a highway in the desert, and every single car that passes by is driven by someone white. The teachers who come to your school? White. The guards in the towers above you, also white. And you think to yourself: is this America? Or is America out there? That child was John Tateishi. He was almost three years old when the U.S.…

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27: The History of Hate

Six people. That's all it took. Six young men sitting in a law office in Pulaski, Tennessee, in December of 1865 - just eight months after the Civil War ended - decided to start a secret club. One that, 150 years later, still impacts our country today. To combat the recent erasure of history and ensure these stories remain not only alive but top of mind, this summer we are re-releasing some of our…

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26: Still Not a Monolith: How We're Thinking About AANHPI Heritage Month This Year

What does it mean to be American? What does it mean to be Asian American — and why, in 2026, are so many of us still leading with worry ? Today, in honor of AANHPI Heritage Month, we're diving into the TAAF STAATUS Index 2026 by unpacking some stats that are eye-opening, some that are infuriating, and some that are deeply familiar. We'll talk about how Asian Americans are seen - and how we see…

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25: From Almost High School Dropout to Stanford Law to Fighting for All Of Us: Using Legal Skills as a Force for Good, with Luke Liss

What if the thing holding back justice isn't lack of will — it's lack of access? Today's guest is doing something about that after coming up from a really rough time in high school, a near-fatal car crash, a parent who believed in him endlessly, and ending up not only at Stanford Law but also with one of the most powerful mentors in the field of law. For those of you who - like Sara - have liked…

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24: Are White Men Smarter Than Everyone Else? With Steve Phillips

The choice before us in 2026 is similar to the choice before Americans in the latter half of the 19th century, and the way we're framing it today is this: Which straight White male President's line of thinking do you want to get behind? Choice #1 is Abraham Lincoln, who not only signed the Emancipation Proclamation, but was a firm believer in human rights for all, or Choice #2, the President who…

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23: 7 Years, One Big Rebrand, and Everything We Know Now: An Honest Anniversary Conversation

7 Years, One Big Rebrand, and Everything We Know Now: An Honest Anniversary Conversation Have we ever thought about quitting the podcast? What did we think when we were starting Dear White Women seven years ago? Why did we rebrand the show to What Do You Mean By That? What do we want the next chapter of this show to feel like? Those are all questions that we're asking each other as we celebrate…

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