# co-ops (podcasts) — RSS Amplifier Recent posts from the 2 feeds in the RSS Amplifier directory that cover co-ops. Page: Feed: --- ## [Lifting All Boats: Co-ops Talk Value of Rural Broadband, Partnership With NRECA](https://alongthoselines.libsyn.com/lifting-all-boats-co-ops-talk-value-of-rural-broadband-partnership-with-nreca) _2026-08-14 · Along Those Lines_ With help from NRECA Broadband, co-ops providing internet service are boosting the quality of life in their communities. Federal funding is critical to that mission but comes with its own set of challenges. On this episode of Along Those Lines, we'll talk to NRECA's Erin Dobozy on how NRECA Broadband helps co-ops access these funding programs, and we'll hear about broadband success stories and… [Listen](https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/alongthoselines/ATL-August-2026-Broadband-FINAL.mp3?dest-id=800500) ## [Journalism, Housing Justice & Building Stronger Communities with Steve Dubb, Shelterforce Editor](https://soundcloud.com/user-913981455/journalism-housing-justice) _2026-07-19 · Everything Co-op with Vernon Oakes_ July 9, 2026 In this segment, Vernon welcomes Steve Dubb, Strategic Initiatives Editor at Shelterforce, an independent nonprofit newsroom that has spent five decades reporting on affordable housing, community development, and housing justice. Together, Vernon and Steve will explore how independent journalism helps shape public understanding of affordable housing challenges, elevates community… [Listen](https://feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/2363741738-user-913981455-journalism-housing-justice.mp3) ## [Tony Pickett on Cooperative Housing & Doug O'Brien on America's 250th Through a Cooperative Lens](https://soundcloud.com/user-913981455/tony-pickett-on-cooperative) _2026-07-19 · Everything Co-op with Vernon Oakes_ July 2, 2026 In this segment, Vernon interviews Tony Pickett, Chief Executive Officer of Grounded Solutions Network. Vernon and Tony will explore how community land trusts and shared equity housing are creating pathways to affordable homeownership and stronger, more resilient communities. Before Vernon's conversation with Tony Pickett Vernon welcomes Doug O'Brien for a timely discussion on his… [Listen](https://feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/2363736737-user-913981455-tony-pickett-on-cooperative.mp3) ## ['A Forward-Looking Process': Co-op Leaders Share Succession Planning Strategies](https://alongthoselines.libsyn.com/a-forward-looking-process-co-op-leaders-share-succession-planning-strategies) _2026-07-13 · Along Those Lines_ The electric co-op workforce is on the cusp of big change, with a large portion of leadership and other employees nearing retirement age in the coming years. But succession planning involves more than hiring someone's replacement—it's about creating a co-op that's ready for the future. Hear from NRECA Director of Human Capital Planning & Compensation Delaine Orendorff, Deaf Smith Electric… [Listen](https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/alongthoselines/July_26_Podcast__Succession_Planning.mp3?dest-id=800500) ## [Vernon Oakes discusses Men's Health and the Power of Cooperatives](https://soundcloud.com/user-913981455/vernon-oakes-discusses-mens) _2026-07-10 · Everything Co-op with Vernon Oakes_ June 25, 2026 In this segment, Vernon explore the connection between cooperatives and men's health, highlighting how cooperative principles can help address the social isolation, economic challenges, and lack of support systems that often affect men's physical and mental well-being. He also discusses health disparities between men of color as compared to those who are not of color. June is Men's… [Listen](https://feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/2356718642-user-913981455-vernon-oakes-discusses-mens.mp3) ## [Nathan Schneider discusses Progress & Prospects for Cooperatives in Using Artificial Intelligence](https://soundcloud.com/user-913981455/nathan-schneider-discusses) _2026-06-22 · Everything Co-op with Vernon Oakes_ June 18, 2026 This episode features an interview with Nathan Schneider, professor of media studies at the University of Colorado Boulder. Vernon and Nathan discuss the current progress and prospects for cooperatives in Artificial Intelligence, and explores ways in which cooperatives can navigate the rise of AI without losing control of their intellectual property. Nathan Schneider is a professor… [Listen](https://feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/2343751160-user-913981455-nathan-schneider-discusses.mp3) ## [Everything Co-op Explores the Cooperative Business Model with host Vernon Oakes](https://soundcloud.com/user-913981455/everything-co-op-explores-the) _2026-06-20 · Everything Co-op with Vernon Oakes_ June 4, 2026 In this special edition of Everything Co-op, host Vernon Oakes presents an in-depth overview of the cooperative business model, explaining how cooperatives are owned and governed by the people they serve and how they create economic opportunities while strengthening communities. Drawing on decades of experience in the cooperative movement, Vernon examines the history, principles, and… [Listen](https://feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/2342890814-user-913981455-everything-co-op-explores-the.mp3) ## [The Legacy of the Rural Electrification Act](https://alongthoselines.libsyn.com/the-legacy-of-the-rural-electrification-act) _2026-06-10 · Along Those Lines_ When the Rural Electrification Act was signed in 1936, only 10% of U.S. farms and rural homes had power. But the REA helped achieve near universal electrification in rural America and is still vital to ensuring that co-ops can deliver affordable, reliable power, including through the RUS electric loan program. To mark the REA's 90th anniversary, we'll talk to NRECA CEO Jim Matheson and RUS… [Listen](https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/alongthoselines/REA_June_26_ATL_Pod.mp3?dest-id=800500) ## [Michael Peck, Iñigo Albizuri, Ibon Zugasti & Kaisu Tuominiemi discuss the Social Economy Road Show to NYC & Boston](https://soundcloud.com/user-913981455/michael-peck-i-igo-albizuri) _2026-05-23 · Everything Co-op with Vernon Oakes_ May 14, 2026 This episode of Everything Co-op features Part II of the Social Economy Road Show to NYC & Boston, with guests Michael A. Peck, Iñigo Albizuri, Ibon Zugasti and Kaisu Tuominiemi. Vernon and his guests explore the vision behind the initiative and highlight what participants can look forward to during the Road Show. The initiative will include a series of events that will focus on… [Listen](https://feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/2326299419-user-913981455-michael-peck-i-igo-albizuri.mp3) ## [Christina Clamp & Rodrigo Ricxu Bacus discuss the Social Economy Road Show to NYC & Boston](https://soundcloud.com/user-913981455/christina-clamp-rodrigo-ricxu) _2026-05-22 · Everything Co-op with Vernon Oakes_ May 7, 2026 This episode of Everything Co-op features Part I of the Social Economy Road Show to NYC & Boston, with guests Christina Clamp, and Rodrigo Ricxu Bacus. Vernon and his guests explore the vision behind the initiative and highlight what participants can look forward to during the Road Show. Sponsored by ASBN and introducing the Arizmendiarrieta Social Economy Think Tank in collaboration… [Listen](https://feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/2325325031-user-913981455-christina-clamp-rodrigo-ricxu.mp3) ## [AI Summaries & Audio Briefings (Sponsored)](https://crawlproof.com/a/ZxXpSrpC9Fvp) _2026-05-22 · **Sponsored**_ Read AI summaries and listen to concise audio briefings for the latest stories. ## ['It's In Our Principles': North Dakota Statewide Food Project Shows Concern for Community](https://alongthoselines.libsyn.com/its-in-our-principles-north-dakota-statewide-food-project-shows-concern-for-community) _2026-05-11 · Along Those Lines_ Food deserts are a major challenge in rural America, leaving many communities without easy access to affordable, nutritious food. The North Dakota Association of Rural Electric Cooperatives is forging an ambitious solution to this problem. With help from a large new grant, the statewide's rural development center is launching a regional grocery and food hub to tackle hunger in north central North… [Listen](https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/alongthoselines/ATL-May-2026-Food-Distribution-FULL.mp3?dest-id=800500) ## [International Year of the Woman Farmer Series: Episode II with Karen Washington](https://soundcloud.com/user-913981455/international-year-of-the) _2026-05-04 · Everything Co-op with Vernon Oakes_ April 9, 2026 Everything Co-op continues its observance of the International Year of the Woman Farmer 2026 (IYWF 2026) with distinguished guest, Karen Washington, farmer, food justice activist, and co-owner of Rise & Root Farm in Chester, New York. Vernon and Karen discuss her journey as a farmer and food justice activists, the vital role women play in agriculture, and how initiatives like Black… [Listen](https://feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/2314073930-user-913981455-international-year-of-the.mp3) ## [International Year of the Woman Farmer Series Launch, with Noémi Giszpenc](https://soundcloud.com/user-913981455/noemi-4022026-final-5032026) _2026-05-04 · Everything Co-op with Vernon Oakes_ April 2, 2026 Everything Co-op kicks off its observance of the International Year of the Woman Farmer (IYWF 2026) with a distinguished guest, Noémi Giszpenc, Executive Director of The Keystone Development Center (KDC). A nationally respected leader in cooperative development, Noémi Giszpenc brings more than two decades of experience advancing democratic ownership and community-based economic… [Listen](https://feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/2314069739-user-913981455-noemi-4022026-final-5032026.mp3) ## [Unpacking the Surge in U.S. Electricity Demand](https://alongthoselines.libsyn.com/unpacking-the-surge-in-us-electricity-demand) _2026-04-20 · Along Those Lines_ After decades of stagnant growth, U.S. power demand is set to jump in the years ahead. Data centers will be a big part of the increase, but other sources could rival those gains. On this episode of Along Those Lines, we take a closer look at these demand growth drivers with Lidija Sekaric, NRECA's vice president of innovation and emerging technology, and David Porter, vice president of… [Listen](https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/alongthoselines/April_2026_ALT_-_Demistifying_Demand.mp3?dest-id=800500) ## [Co-op Safety Conversation Evolves as Annual Summit Draws Record Interest](https://alongthoselines.libsyn.com/co-op-safety-conversation-evolves-as-annual-summit-draws-record-interest) _2026-03-16 · Along Those Lines_ On this episode of Along Those Lines, we're joined by NRECA Director of Safety Programs Ken Macken and Johnie Hendrix, vice president of risk management and training for the Association of Missouri Electric Cooperatives. Ken and Johnie will talk about new ways that NRECA, statewide organizations and co-ops are working to improve safety. They'll also give program highlights of the upcoming NRECA… [Listen](https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/alongthoselines/March_2026_Safety.mp3?dest-id=800500) ## [Award-Winning CEO Shares Her Co-op's Communication Strategy](https://alongthoselines.libsyn.com/award-winning-ceo-shares-her-co-ops-communication-strategy) _2026-02-13 · Along Those Lines_ Effective communication by electric co-ops—through good times and bad—builds member loyalty and better aligns and engages co-op employees. In this episode, Cherryland Electric Cooperative CEO Rachel Johnson, this year's winner of the J.C. Brown CEO Communication Leadership Award, shares her thoughts on how to leverage new and traditional media platforms to reach members and educate the public. She… [Listen](https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/alongthoselines/February-2026-Rachel-Johnson-FINAL.mp3?dest-id=800500) ## [Caroline Shenaz Hossein discusses The Banker Ladies, and the Future of Solidarity Economies](https://soundcloud.com/user-913981455/caroline-shenaz-hossein-discusses-the-banker-ladies-and-the-future-of-solidarity-economies) _2026-02-03 · Everything Co-op with Vernon Oakes_ January 15, 2022 - This episode features Caroline Shenaz Hossein. Dr. Hossein is a leading global scholar on solidarity economies, cooperative finance, and the economic contributions of racialized communities. She and Vernon will discuss her new book, The Banker Ladies, along with the benefits—and obstacles—of being at the forefront of building and sustaining solidarity economies. Caroline Shenaz… [Listen](https://feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/2259593105-user-913981455-caroline-shenaz-hossein-discusses-the-banker-ladies-and-the-future-of-solidarity-economies.mp3) ## [Kate Steel Leads NRECA International Into Its Next Chapter](https://alongthoselines.libsyn.com/kate-steel-leads-nreca-international-into-its-next-chapter) _2026-01-15 · Along Those Lines_ For over 60 years, NRECA International has helped bring electricity to unserved or underserved parts of the world, drawing on lessons learned from the U.S. electrification story. Hear from NRECA International's new senior vice president, Kate Steel, on how the organization is staying true to its mission as it charts a new path toward global electrification as well as how co-ops and others can… [Listen](https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/alongthoselines/Jan_26_Kate_Steel_SVP_International_Final.mp3?dest-id=800500) ## [Electric Co-ops Manage Unprecedented Data Center Growth](https://alongthoselines.libsyn.com/electric-co-ops-manage-unprecedented-data-center-growth) _2025-12-15 · Along Those Lines_ Data center development is surging to meet demand for cloud applications, cryptocurrency, streaming services and AI. Electric co-ops are at the center of it, with some fielding multiple new requests at a time to serve data centers. These large loads can benefit co-ops and their communities in a number of ways—and they also pose a host of challenges. Learn more from NRECA's Allison Hamilton, Wabash… [Listen](https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/alongthoselines/December-2025-Data-Centers.mp3?dest-id=800500) ## [NRECA Defense Summits Address Military's Evolving Energy Needs](https://alongthoselines.libsyn.com/nreca-defense-summits-address-militarys-evolving-energy-needs) _2025-11-10 · Along Those Lines_ More than 140 electric co-ops serve Department of Defense facilities or Coast Guard stations, and co-ops own, operate and maintain the power distribution grids at 31 military installations through utility privatization contracts. Hear from NRECA's Lauren Khair, Kodiak Electric Association's Dan Menth and Kotzebue Electric Association's Tom Atkinson about a new series of Defense Summits to tackle… [Listen](https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/alongthoselines/November_25_DOD_Summit.mp3?dest-id=800500) ## [Transcript-Driven Stock Discovery (Sponsored)](https://crawlproof.com/a/14TeWwXOHA1b) _2025-11-10 · **Sponsored**_ Ranked, evidence-backed watchlists from indexed executive transcripts for 1–2 quarter horizons ## [Electric Co-ops Mount Multipronged Campaign to Improve FEMA](https://alongthoselines.libsyn.com/electric-co-ops-mount-multipronged-campaign-to-improve-fema) _2025-10-13 · Along Those Lines_ FEMA provides crucial funding to co-ops after disasters, allowing them to restore power faster and make their infrastructure more resilient while limiting related costs for members. But FEMA is far from perfect, with many co-ops facing issues with accessing funding. Hear from NRECA's Jim Matheson, Florida Electric Cooperatives Association's Mike Bjorklund and Vermont Electric Co-op's Rebecca Towne… [Listen](https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/alongthoselines/Oct_25_ATL_FEMA.mp3?dest-id=800500) ## [Co-ops Embrace Cultural Evolution Amid a Generational Workforce Shift](https://alongthoselines.libsyn.com/co-ops-embrace-cultural-evolution-amid-a-generational-workforce-shift) _2025-09-15 · Along Those Lines_ Electric co-ops are experiencing a historically broad and rapid shift in their organizational culture, driven largely by an influx of younger, tech-savvy employees amid a wave of retirements and turnover, along with other changes in the industry. Co-ops are bringing creativity and innovation to the challenge, adapting everything from onboarding processes to learning opportunities to leadership… [Listen](https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/alongthoselines/ATL_September_2025_Culture_Change_FINAL.mp3?dest-id=800500) ## [2025 NRECA Regional Meetings to Focus on Co-ops' Most Pressing Issues](https://alongthoselines.libsyn.com/2025-nreca-regional-meetings-to-focus-on-co-ops-most-pressing-issues) _2025-08-04 · Along Those Lines_ NRECA's 2025 Regional Meetings kick off Sept. 3 in Providence, Rhode Island. The five meetings, which will take place across the country through October, are a key step in the member resolutions process that guides NRECA's policy advocacy. The meetings are also a chance for co-op leaders to discuss the most pressing issues of the day—from growing data center demand to innovative ways they're… [Listen](https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/alongthoselines/August_2025_Regional_Meetings.mp3?dest-id=800500) ## [How Co-ops are Educating Their Members on Rooftop Solar](https://alongthoselines.libsyn.com/how-co-ops-are-educating-their-members-on-rooftop-solar) _2025-07-14 · Along Those Lines_ Rooftop solar is gaining popularity with homeowners and businesses, leading to a surge in installations over the past decade. But the technology isn't right for everyone, and electric co-ops are doing their part to help consumer-members make informed decisions and avoid misleading or inaccurate information from some third-party vendors. Hear from Lidija Sekaric, NRECA vice president of innovation… [Listen](https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/alongthoselines/July_2025_Solar_FINAL.mp3?dest-id=800500) ## [Co-ops Confront Growing Threat of Wildfires](https://alongthoselines.libsyn.com/co-ops-confront-growing-threat-of-wildfires) _2025-06-09 · Along Those Lines_ Drier and hotter weather conditions are creating longer wildfire seasons in many parts of the country, and even regions not typically at risk of wildfires are vulnerable. In this episode, learn how electric co-ops are dealing with this growing threat and how a bill in Congress, the Fix Our Forests Act, could help with mitigation efforts. Hear from NRECA's Erin Kelly and Hannah Hardin as well as… [Listen](https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/alongthoselines/ATL_-_June_2025_-_Wildfires.mp3?dest-id=800500) ## [Co-ops Using Elective-Pay Credits to Meet 'Unique Future Goals'](https://alongthoselines.libsyn.com/co-ops-using-elective-pay-credits-to-meet-unique-future-goals) _2025-05-19 · Along Those Lines_ After years of advocacy from NRECA, Congress passed legislation in 2022 that allows electric co-ops to access federal tax credits for certain energy projects, including renewable power facilities, through an elective-pay option. These incentives can slash costs for co-ops to build, own and operate eligible generation and energy storage projects. Hear from NRECA's Hill Thomas as well as Doug Browne… [Listen](https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/alongthoselines/Along_Those_Lines_-_May_2025_-_Elective_Pay.mp3?dest-id=800500) ## [Co-ops Confront Growing Threat of Third-Party Cyber Incidents](https://alongthoselines.libsyn.com/co-ops-confront-growing-threat-of-third-party-cyber-incidents) _2025-04-22 · Along Those Lines_ Cybersecurity incidents involving the systems and data of third-party vendors are on the rise for utilities in the U.S. It's a worrying trend that has directly impacted electric co-ops, and industry cyber professionals are working hard to counteract it. In this episode, NRECA's Carter Manucy discusses what co-ops are doing to enhance security and mitigate this threat, and Blue Ridge Energy's… [Listen](https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/alongthoselines/ATL_Podcast_-_April_2025_-Cybersecurity.mp3?dest-id=800500) ## [Executive Actions Underscore Co-ops' Reliability Message](https://alongthoselines.libsyn.com/executive-actions-underscore-co-ops-reliability-message) _2025-04-10 · Along Those Lines_ East Kentucky Power Cooperative's Tony Campbell joined President Donald Trump for a White House ceremony on April 8 to sign four major actions to boost power reliability and affordability. Campbell's invitation to speak at this event is a high-profile recognition of the role that co-ops have played in shaping the national conversation about grid reliability. Hear from Campbell as well as NRECA CEO… [Listen](https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/alongthoselines/April_Podcast_-_Special_Edition.mp3?dest-id=800500) ## [Getting to Know New NRECA President Mike Partin](https://alongthoselines.libsyn.com/getting-to-know-new-nreca-president-mike-partin) _2025-03-25 · Along Those Lines_ Earlier this month, Mike Partin was elected president of NRECA at the PowerXchange conference in Atlanta. Partin has been CEO of Sequachee Valley Electric Cooperative in central Tennessee since 2015. He joined the co-op in 1998 and has represented Tennessee on the NRECA board of directors since 2019. Hear from Partin about his thoughts on leadership, what the future looks like for electric… [Listen](https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/alongthoselines/Mike_Partin_PXC25.mp3?dest-id=800500) ## [The Electric Co-op Policy Outlook in a Rapidly Changing Washington](https://alongthoselines.libsyn.com/the-electric-co-op-policy-outlook-in-a-rapidly-changing-washington) _2025-02-11 · Along Those Lines_ The 2024 elections were pivotal for policies affecting electric co-ops. President Donald Trump's victory and Republicans' majorities in Congress could bring major changes to environmental rules, permitting requirements, funding programs and tax incentives that touch on co-ops' daily operations. Hear from NRECA's Louis Finkel about what those changes could be and what they mean for co-ops, as well… [Listen](https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/alongthoselines/February_2025_Podcast_-_Advocacy_-_FINAL.mp3?dest-id=800500) ## [Point once, get highlights (Sponsored)](https://crawlproof.com/a/ANLjeLZ2LfXm) _2025-02-11 · **Sponsored**_ Get minutes worth watching from a whole game — point once ## [An Inside Look at NRECA's PowerXchange and TechAdvantage](https://alongthoselines.libsyn.com/an-inside-look-at-nrecas-powerxchange-and-techadvantage) _2025-01-14 · Along Those Lines_ NRECA's annual gathering of members is a critical touchpoint for co-ops and a place to exchange ideas and stay connected. 2025 PowerXchange and TechAdvantage come amid a period of unprecedented disruption—soaring demand from data centers and other load drivers, shrinking supply caused by misguided federal and state policies, and increasing changes in co-op leadership and work culture. Hear from… [Listen](https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/alongthoselines/January-2025-ATL-PowerXchange-FINAL.mp3?dest-id=800500) ## [Inside the Palisades Nuclear Plant Recommissioning](https://alongthoselines.libsyn.com/inside-the-palisades-nuclear-plant-recommissioning) _2024-12-10 · Along Those Lines_ The Palisades nuclear plant in Michigan was shut down in 2022 but is on a path to be repowered by late next year—an unprecedented project that wouldn't be possible without the involvement of the two Midwestern generation and transmission cooperatives that signed long-term agreements to purchase power from the plant. Hear from Wolverine Power Cooperative's Eric Baker and Hoosier Energy's Donna… [Listen](https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/alongthoselines/December_2024_Podcast_-_Nuclear_FINAL.mp3?dest-id=800500) ## [Helene and Milton—Two Co-op Leaders Share Their Hurricane Stories](https://alongthoselines.libsyn.com/helene-and-miltontwo-co-op-leaders-share-their-hurricane-stories) _2024-11-20 · Along Those Lines_ Electric co-ops in the Southeast grappled with unprecedented damage from back-to-back hurricanes this fall, with Helene and Milton making landfall just a couple of weeks apart. This month, we hear from the CEOs of two of the many electric cooperatives impacted by these storms to talk about their preparation, response and recovery: Matt Stanley of Laurens Electric Cooperative in South Carolina and… [Listen](https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/alongthoselines/November_2024_-_ATL_-_Hurricanes_FINAL.mp3?dest-id=800500) ## [Federal Funding Accelerates Energy Innovation Among Co-ops](https://alongthoselines.libsyn.com/federal-funding-accelerates-energy-innovation-among-co-ops) _2024-10-14 · Along Those Lines_ Electric co-ops have always been energy innovation leaders, but a surge in public funding is taking that to the next level. The Inflation Reduction Act of 2022 includes billions for clean energy projects—including the New ERA program designed specifically for co-ops—and the 2021 bipartisan infrastructure law funded a wide range of programs that benefit co-ops. Hear from NRECA's Lauren Khair,… [Listen](https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/alongthoselines/October-2024-Grants-Podcast-FINAL.mp3?dest-id=800500) ## [Balancing AI's Benefits With Cybersecurity Risks](https://alongthoselines.libsyn.com/balancing-ais-benefits-with-cybersecurity-risks) _2024-09-09 · Along Those Lines_ Artificial intelligence, with its remarkable ability to digest and analyze enormous amounts of data, has nearly limitless positive applications for utilities. But it could be used just as effectively as a malicious tool by hackers and scammers. Co-ops are moving cautiously with AI, finding ways to safely implement new, enhanced systems while marginalizing tools that could increase cyber risk.… [Listen](https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/alongthoselines/September_2024_-_ATL_AI_Podcast_-_FULL.mp3?dest-id=800500)