Stewardship Leader is the podcast for pastors, stewardship leaders, executive pastors, and church leaders who want to cultivate a biblical culture of stewardship and generosity in their churches. Hosted by Leo Sabo, President of the Christian Stewardship Network, each episode features practical conversations with trusted ministry leaders, pastors, researchers, and generosity practitioners who are helping churches disciple people toward financial faithfulness. Together, we explore the theology of…
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Giving among evangelical Christians has declined significantly since 2020, but the numbers tell a much bigger story than dollars and percentages. In this episode, Leo Sabo talks with Ron Sellers of Grey Matter Research about declining giving and tithing, common assumptions about volunteering and political giving, and the strongest predictor of generosity: spiritual engagement. Their conversation…
What if generosity isn't primarily something Christians need to be taught to do, but the natural fruit of becoming more like Christ? In this episode of Stewardship Leader , Leo Sabo welcomes back Jeff Ward, COO of Simple, for a conversation about the connection between discipleship, stewardship, and generosity. Jeff shares how God used lessons from his parents, early marriage, missionary support,…
What does discipleship that truly reproduces look like? In this episode, Leo Sabo sits down with Jeff Ward, COO of Simple, to explore the experiences that shaped Jeff's passion for disciple-making—from a life-changing encounter with God on a mission trip to Haiti to years spent training pastors and church planters in India. Together, they discuss why information alone doesn't produce mature…
In this second episode of our conversation with DeWayne McNally from MortarStone, we move from understanding the generosity data to putting it into action. Together, we explore why generosity is fundamentally a discipleship issue, how churches can intentionally guide people from a first gift to lifelong generosity, and what the healthiest churches are doing to build a year-round culture of…
What do the latest generosity trends reveal about the health of discipleship in our churches? In this episode, Leo Sabo is joined by DeWayne McNally from MortarStone to unpack insights from the latest Annual Giving Report , based on giving data from more than 600 churches and over 2.5 million givers. Together they explore encouraging trends like increasing participation among younger generations…
In part two of this conversation with financial behavior coach DonJay Rice, Leo Sabo explores how church leaders, stewardship champions, and financial coaches can have conversations that actually lead to lasting change. DonJay introduces the Six Stages of Change, the Four F's (Fight, Flight, Freeze, and Fawn), and the principles of Motivational Interviewing to help leaders better understand what…
Why do so many people struggle financially even after taking budgeting classes, reading personal finance books, and learning biblical principles about money? In this episode, Leo Sabo sits down with financial behavior coach DonJay Rice to explore the deeper issues that drive financial decisions. Together, they unpack the powerful role emotions, fear, shame, and past experiences play in shaping…
In the final episode of this three-part series with Bob Lotich from SeedTime.com , Leo Sabo and Bob explore how churches can move beyond short-term giving campaigns and build a lasting culture of generosity. Together, they discuss the difference between emotional fundraising and true discipleship, why stewardship transformation happens best in “living rooms, not pulpits,” and how churches can…
In part two of this conversation with Bob Lotich of SeedTime.com, Leo and Bob move from the heart behind generosity to the practical systems that make generosity possible. They unpack why many people genuinely want to give but struggle due to a lack of financial margin, clarity, and intentional systems. Together, they discuss the importance of firstfruits giving, automated generosity, financial…
In this first episode of a three-part series, Leo Sabo sits down with Bob Lotich of SeedTime.com to explore Bob and Linda’s remarkable journey from financial chaos to radical generosity. Bob shares how a breaking point with just $7 to his name became the catalyst for a complete transformation in the way they viewed money, stewardship, and success. Together, they discuss surrender, generosity, the…
In part two of this conversation with Life Institute, Leo Sabo continues the discussion with Tim Russell and Rev. Drew Gysi by moving from the why of gospel-driven stewardship to the how . Together, they unpack Life Institute’s five biblical financial priorities—give, save, spend, offerings, and luxuries—and explain how stewardship becomes a lifestyle rooted in worship, wisdom, and discipleship.…
