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Podcasting 2.0 for August 14th, 2026, episode 267, Choco Love.
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Choco Love. Uh-oh. Wait a minute. Is this a podcast?
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Are we back? Do we exist? Is it really happening?
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Hello, everybody. Welcome to Podcasting 2.0. It is... Friday August
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14th it's time to talk about podcasting from the people
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who make it for you the people who come together
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and make it better for you yes this is the
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official board meeting of podcasting 2.0 in fact we are
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the only board room without a skip button I'm Adam
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Curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country
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and in Alabama. The man who took the DHT out
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and left the plumbing quieter than he found it. Say
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hello to my friend on the other end, Dave Jones.
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Yeah, no more DHT. Yeah, DHT is gone, baby. It's
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too problematic. It's problematic. Ah, problematic. My favorite woke word.
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of woke one by the way it's a thing no
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we we adopted it it's now part of the podcast
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index lexicon problematic yeah but there's an in there's an
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api endpoint called problem that reports problematic feeds oh that's
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right that's right i forgot about that problematic yes problematical
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if you want to go really, you know, pedantic. So
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we might as well start with that, with your PodPing
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VO.12.0 shipped. Yeah, lots of... lots of work on pod
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ping over the last few weeks i'm trying to get
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it to the point where i don't have to think
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about it for a while um oh boy well isn't
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that basically nothing just as a little aside so we
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we combined our linode nodes So that a number of
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nodes that I was, a number of servers I was
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running, you've moved over for that Godcaster stuff. And then
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you beautifully made me an admin on the podcasting, podcast
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index stuff. Yeah. Which is, you know, only for emergency
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purposes. But then I realized you are exactly the same
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as me. Neither one of us have taken any effort
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to suppress the Linode warnings of exceeding all kinds of
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things. Oh, no, I just, I'm never going to touch
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that button. It's like, all of a sudden, every morning,
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there's 50 different, well, it's exceeded the egress bandwidth. Oh,
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this server was spiking for five minutes. Oh, no, this
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is not a problem. I'm just warning you about it.
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yeah show showrunner yeah show whatever that is are you
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getting showrunner alerts oh yeah showrunner's wearing me out how
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come you're oh because i made you an ad yeah
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but but you know what i just i don't read
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my email anyway so i just it's all just kind
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of goes in the it doesn't really matter showrunners out
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of control yeah showrunners lost lost his mind but it's
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fine it's fine showrunner is my uh my show prep
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bot where's the latest one here I mean it's daily
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oh yeah it's multiple times a day showrunner showrunner is
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the box where I say hey robot go listen to
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that Tucker Carlson interview and tell me what's in it
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and see if I want any clips from it Oh,
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yeah. Okay. But then what it does is it, because
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of course it's YouTube, so a showrunner is connected to
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the VPN on my home router so that it doesn't
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get blocked. Okay. Which was a fun project. These routers,
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you can set up a VPN on the router itself.
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I didn't even know that was possible. How do you
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do that? It's a function of the router. The router
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lets you set up different forms of VPNs. What kind
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of router is this that we're talking about? Well, good
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question. It's the TP-Link, I think. So I have fiber
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here. I've got five gigs up and down. And then
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it has this crazy-looking spaceship-type router with eight antennas sticking
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up on it. and uh and that thing can do
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all kinds of stuff this reminds me of the uh
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this the the this reminds me of the nighthawk do
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you know that router no i need one though i
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need one right now that's good just for the name
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it's uh what what what is the eight is it
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asus night yeah the night the aces nighthawk ac 1900
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it's even got ac in the name of it which
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i don't okay wait but just as a quick aside
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I did not pull a clip, and this is on
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me. I admit it. I should have pulled a clip
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of this. Yeah. But you said a few weeks ago,
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I caught it and it didn't hit me until like
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an hour later. Okay. Okay. You made the statement in
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the boardroom. This already sounds bad. Am I going to
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get arrested for something? Maybe. Okay. You made the statement.
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You said, blah, blah, blah. Uh, I was loading the
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dishwasher dot, dot, dot. mm-hmm since when did you get
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a dishwasher and start using it this has been always
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been your thing is never use the dishwasher because you're
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doing the work twice Are you married? Yes. Do you
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argue with your wife about everything? This was, you, you,
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you got off, you're off the reservation. I'm concerned. Yeah.
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i thought this was a hill you were gonna down
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well you know since i i lost my podcast gig
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i'm just kind of trying to be calm in the
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house and do whatever i'm asked okay this uh i
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will i will let this pass i have the archer
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axe 300 quad band 16 stream wi-fi 6e router with
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two 10g ports wi-fi is out of control this is
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the number of of like acronyms it reminds me of
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the old days uh and we just i was on
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with uh laren and laren laren and daryl darren and
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larry darren and larry yesterday on the show And I
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made them guess the modem speeds from the old dial-up
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modems. I had the 300 baud, the 1,200, 24, 33.
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I had a 52. No, not a 50. I had
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a 56. I thought it was a 6... I thought
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it was a 28 and a... 28, 28, 8. Yeah,
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that's right. That's right. 14, 4, 28, 8, 56. Yeah.
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And I was cursing Dvorak for dying on us because
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he would have known exactly... Because there were wars going
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on. You had the Hayes modems and you had the...
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Uh, not Rockwell. Um, right. Yeah. And rock U S
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robotics. Yes. Robotics. And they, and they had wars over
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V 90 V 91 compression schemes. And it's kind of
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reminiscent of what's happening with wifi. It's like, you know,
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no, no, we got this version now and you've got
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the 6G and all these different protocols that are just
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popping up everywhere. Yeah, the old dial-up modem protocol wars.
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Yeah. Yeah, the different compression radio. Yeah. You could not
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mix and match. No. They wouldn't worry. It was like
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Blu-ray versus HD, DVD or something. Yeah, VHS versus Betamax.
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It's always a thing. It's always a thing. So anyway,
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so Showrunner is doing that. show runners doing all that
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kind of stuff all day long when i give it
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a command or go out and find stuff and so
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yeah so you're getting lots of bandwidth warnings on that
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one yeah that's fine i just i just ignore them
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i mean i've been getting bandwidth or cpu warnings on
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the database server for podcast index for like four years
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those are fun to see it's spiking after after about
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you know you get concerned the first few weeks and
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then it's like i don't care nothing blows up nothing
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ever ever goes bad so okay it's fine so back
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to uh pod ping now is this oh yeah is
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this the what we don't sound very excited i just
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forgot where we were oh yeah yeah that thing so
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now so these are pod ping watcher nodes is that
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what is that what we're running here pod king watcher
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are you do you have any websites pulled up like
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the pp monitor no no i don't i don't have
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my pp up you had get your get your pp
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up let me get my pp up okay um uh
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pp monitor Dot podcasting next.org. Yes. Okay. Woo. I love
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this. I love how it just kicks in. Yeah. You
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get, um, okay. The, this this will show you the
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current mesh with all the nodes i'm i'm disappointed in
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many people me too all the time just in general
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people suck including myself because there's many people who have
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not updated to the latest version and are still stuck
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on versions as old as 0.6. Yeah, let's shame some
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people.
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Chad F. That's right. Dave Remote Nix 1.9. Edebris. Edebris.
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Edebris works. Edebris. Dot 6. Hey, Citizen Bathroom. Oh, you're
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current. Good. He's current. Who else do we need to
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shame here? Hey, Citizen Bathroom. Pod Ping West, Libre.6. Come
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on, people. Todd Nova? Who's Todd Nova? I don't know
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Todd Nova. But Temple OS laptop is... dot 12 dot
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one that's that's how is that even possible temple os
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where did you come from this must be a fork
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it's a fork it's a fork yeah exactly okay Well,
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Temple OS has forked something. I don't understand that, but...
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So, the story here is that the most complicated part
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of this code... of pod of the new version of
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pod ping. Was the DHT part. So a DHT stands
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for dynamic hash table. Yeah. And the distributed hash table,
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not dynamic distributed hash table, the distributed part means so
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a hash table is just a set of key value
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pairs. Um, that are, uh, that are addressed where the,
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it's a set of key value pairs where the indexes
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of the keys are, uh, uh, addressed in a way
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that distributes evenly across the table. And then you can
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extend that to where the hash table is not local.
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I'm giving like the most roughest of thumbnail sketches here.
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You can distribute that hash table's keys. across more than
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one machine. So typically a hash table would be loaded
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into RAM during like an initial program load for some
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software. And it may just be a lookup table. You
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may just have a bunch of keys and a bunch
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of values that you need to look up. Well, that
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lookup table can be split up into slices Where keys
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or parts of the table are distributed amongst many different
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machines. And then you need some way to find out
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which machine has which values so that a lookup, so
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that an index becomes also an address to where to
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find the machine that holds it. Mm-hmm. Um, This... This
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is the core way that things like BitTorrent work. And
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going back all the way to things like Napster. lime
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and uh many you know many things use this although
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the most the most widely used dht is is something
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called the mainline DHT, which is the BitTorrent DHT. And
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a lot of people just piggyback on this because it's
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got, you know, millions of nodes that are attached at
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any one time. Well, it's great. It's great for bootstrapping.
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So if you need to have like a mesh of
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nodes like PodPing does. You need to have a bunch
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of computers that can coordinate with each other and send
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messages back and forth. Well, then you can use the
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DHT. The mainline DHT to help them find each other.
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Right. So, the way this worked was that when you
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brought up a PodPing node, a PodPing watcher, gossip watcher,
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or writer, or PodPing monitor, whichever one you brought up,
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they all had this code in them. The first thing
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it would do is check the DHT to see if
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there were any other nodes registered with the DHT, and
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then if it found some, it would use those as
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its bootstraps. And to try to go ahead and connect
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to as many of those as possible to get the
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mesh up and to get, you know, to join the
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mesh. Right. And this is good for a few reasons
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because it avoids having the boot, you know, what's commonly
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referred to as like the bootstrap problem. Um, where, you
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know, you have a node where you have to have
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certain, you have to have nodes online in order to
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find other nodes and then how do they find each
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other? So this avoids that. Um, but it's also very
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cumbersome and buggy because now the, because especially, specifically with
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the way Eero works, because Eero does not have this
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functionality natively. So it's having to use libraries. That I'll
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be honest with you, I don't fully understand how they
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work. These libraries are meant to make Eero discoverable over
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DHT. And it works, but it also brings in certain
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liabilities into the Eero connections and things I could never
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get this stuff to be very to be really stable.
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Well, now that the PodPing gossip stuff is all stable
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and running at known locations on the five PodPing.cloud nodes,
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we really don't need the DHT anymore because we already
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know... Five good... nodes that will always be, we know
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their keys because the Eero stuff uses a public key.
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change. So we have five known bootstrap IDs that we
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can always use. And so then, why not just hard
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code those into the... pod ping watcher so that any
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watcher that comes up can just ping those five nodes
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and you're good and which of those five nodes does
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that include the one in uh in the bathroom no
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no um i don't trust anything in the bathroom is
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unstable by its nature i don't trust that one no
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the Thank you. So, the five nodes are the Podping
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Australia, Podping Central, East, Europe, and West. Yeah. Those are
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the five riders. So every podping.cloud is distributed over five
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nodes. When you send an update to podping.cloud, it round
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robins between all five of those nodes. And then each
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one of those is going to is going to post
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it out through Hive and through the gossip channel at
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the same time. Right. So we're all we're all going
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to get all of those. Now, how many do you
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how many do we need to have a functioning system
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that we can start building on distributing the index? Good
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question, Adam. Yes, good question. It's an unanswerable question. Okay.
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i'll take i mean really and truly because you you
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could do you could distribute the index reliably I mean,
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with seven or eight, but- But then you're in the
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hive situation where you have like four or five API
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servers that you can rely on. It's not enough. It's
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just not, it doesn't make anybody sleep well enough. What
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are the requirements when we get to that stage? Massive
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storage? For the index? Well, for the distributed index. i'm
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thinking i don't i don't think so because if we're
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because if if we're going to distribute it This way,
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we're going to – to me, the proper way to
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do it is to slice it so that no node
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has to be responsible for the entire index. You could
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– I think you're going to have to have a
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mix. You're going to have to have some nodes that
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sign up for the whole index. Mm-hmm. And some that
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just sign up for a, for a portion of it.
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And this all has to be automated. You know, you
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have to be we're you know we're brainstorming this right
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now so we're whiteboarding it baby yeah get your mark
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get your marker out So if you have... A node
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that came online that said... okay, I've got this much
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disk space. And I'm willing to donate, let's say, 50
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gigs to hosting part of the index. Well, then the
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index is going to have to – or the swarm
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will have to look and see – what's available and
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then assign... roughly the equivalent of 50 gigs to this
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particular node. And then register back with the API front
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end that that node carries that data.
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Here's a suggestion. I think you should make a Linode
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marketplace thing. Okay. So that it's just like a one-click
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install. You know what I'm talking about? Sort of like
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the AWS Marketplace? Yeah, Linode has that. They have a
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version of that. Oh, I didn't know they had that.
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that. And, you know, now it requires understanding that weird
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scripting thing they have. You know what I'm talking about?
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oh a stack script yeah i think that's it yeah
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yeah something stack yeah something like that But just to
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make it easy for, you know, people like me. I
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don't know that it's going to be very hard because...
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I mean, all this stuff's going into Docker Hub. So
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you could fire up a PodPing watcher right now with
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one Docker pull command. And I think that we can
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do this the same way in the other direction with
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the index distribution because we can have... Just the, the,
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the, the index, let's just call it index, you know,
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runner or whatever we're going to call this thing. You
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just Docker, Docker run this image. Mm-hmm. And it just
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pulls things down and you give it some environment variables
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about how much data you have to spare, you know,
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what, where is it going to store the data, like
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which directory, something, you know, whatever, we just pass the
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configuration parameters and then it figures out with... And it
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negotiates with the swarm how to do it. Yeah. How
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to distribute. And then you're just, it's just Docker. You
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know, you're not, I don't even think you have to
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run it. You could fire up a machine. I mean,
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you could do the marketplace thing, but. Okay. I was
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just. I was just. this all works in your house
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too you know i mean no everything's in my house
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right now my my actual studio is warmer than it's
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ever been this and great timing perfect time of year
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to make your studio warmer i'm running like that helix
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box man that's an awesome little machine Is it working
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good for you? Yeah. I'm learning a lot about lease
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times of GPU and sharing and, you know, iGPU. iGPU?
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What is iGPU? iGPU is where you set up a
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GPU in VRAM. Which isn't actually a GPU. Oh, it's
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like a virtual GPU? Virtual, yeah. So I got a
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GPU, an iGPU, and then a lease plan that shares.
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And there's watchers and waiters and batchers. Because I got
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a lot of stuff going on. so yeah i got
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a lot of stuff going on here i'm running a
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whole fleet of radio stations man yes it's i i
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can't wait for people to see the stuff that you're
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cooking up it's really cool if they get the godcaster
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app they already can they can already check it out
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Just don't ever buy server hardware. what do you mean
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oh i i had to price for um day job
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stuff this week i had to i had to price
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out some some uh memory for a server for an
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hp server oh yeah uh the server cost 12 grand
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the ram 14 also 12 grand yeah that's crazy it
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was 60 64 gigs of ecc ram was six thousand
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dollars wow yeah that's crazy for five years ago that
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was that was less than a thousand dollars yeah i
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know i know it's no good it's out of control
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it's no good it's uh it's price gouging everyone's price
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gouging yeah they love it well i read an article
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yesterday that said that all available ram from all manufacturers
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is has been fully sold is already fully sold out
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Through 2027. Wow. Wow. RAM that has not even been
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built yet. we're in the wrong business yes every single
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time yes we are so i had an interesting uh
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experience the other day i was listening to this week
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in bitcoin no no uh yeah this week in bitcoin
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uh chris and did he talk about the cold card
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stuff at all yeah of course of course he did
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okay okay okay Um, and so I'm listening and then
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he says, you know, boost me and he, and I
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haven't listened for a couple of weeks. uh you know
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death in the family stuff yeah and uh so um
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and he says go to boost dot uh what is
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it linux unplugged.com is that their website I think so.
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And he has a whole beautiful interface there. You can
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determine your amount in dollars or sats. And it was
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really just two clicks. And I could pay right away
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from my strike wallet on the same device. with a
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message the whole the whole thing perfect uh of course
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next week i'll find out if it came through um
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but then i saw in i was looking in the
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uh in the godcaster app okay he's using his funding
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tag for the same mechanism You know, it says donate
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or support the show, donate the show. And I was
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just like, you know... It's really a beautiful mechanism that
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we're just not highlighting enough in the apps. When you
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put a big button there, on the on the podcast
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when you're listening to the podcast to say you know
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right there where you got the skip skip forward backward
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pause you put a big donate support the show that's
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as per the spec you can determine what that says
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it's it's like okay you know and you can even
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if you want you can click on apple pay i
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don't have a Apple Pay, but this particular interface, you
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know, the website or whatever it was that loads has
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it. I mean, it's just so simple. So simple. But
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the funding button is not prevalent everywhere, not the way
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we did boosts. Well, that's the Buzzsprout model. Yes, but
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that's they sort of created that for their customers, that
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page, that page, that single page experience that can open
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in a web view. Yeah, I mean, it's like it's
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so simple. It's so easy. Yeah. I just think it's
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worth considering for the app developers out there to really
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highlight that button. If someone's got a funding tag, make
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it pop. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Now, I know Daniel J.
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Lewis was working on all kinds of... My eyes started
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to glaze over as we're going through how can we
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use Stripe to be able to get the podcast apps
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a piece of the action. I'm not even sure it's
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resolved yet, but I really like the work. I like
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that... They were delving into it, long conversation thread. James
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jumped in. I'm not sure if we resolved anything there,
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if we can set it so that the app that
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you're that you're boosting from donating from, etc., can automatically
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get a piece of the action. Thank you. Um... I
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don't know why... PodPage doesn't do this. I mean, wouldn't
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that be, wouldn't that be just a natural place for
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a thing like this to exist for a page like
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this to exist? not quite sure what you mean the
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like if you host a site on pod page why
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would it not why would they not have a pay
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a single page payment portal that oh no well but
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the thing is you can build it from anything i
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mean you know you can have your Your robot build
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it. I mean, anything can be done. What is this?
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Onlyboosts.social. Look at this. What does that mean? Check it
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out. Who built this? Onlyboosts.social. There's a link in the
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boardroom. Is it supposed to be like OnlyFans? It is.
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Yes, it's OnlyBoost. This is very interesting. Look at this.
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Well, this is cool. Eric PP, did you do this?
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What is this? Well, let me see. Let me boost
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this show. Boost, opening, boom. Oh, Noster. Okay. I don't
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Sign in with Noster. You lost me. But the idea
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is cool. I like the idea. I don't want to
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sign in with Noster. Speaking of... Hey, hang on just
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a second. Okay, I'll be right back. Okay. In the
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meantime, I will just... Let me see. Who did this?
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read oh they have the only the only i just
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i just got stuck on the nostril bit um It's
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like what I want there is I just want copy
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this invoice or whatever, you know, send this through my
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strike wallet and I'm done.
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that would be the way to do it okay bye
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okay sorry my wife my wife's going out of town
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oh well that was a very quick goodbye do you
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want to take a few more minutes i mean if
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you're going to give me time i made i don't
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need long well go say go good go say i'm
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kidding that was a joke a few minutes would do
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it probably three No, she's fine. He was heading out
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the door and saying bye. The boardroom says bye. Hi,
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Melissa! Hi, Melissa. what is it so what you found
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out what this is only boosts is this like a
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nostre thing well that only it's the right idea it
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asked me for uh for a nostre login right away
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and then i kind of give up okay have you
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heard of buzz no Let me see if I can
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find this. Jack Dorsey. Oh, yes, I have. The agent
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communication thing? Yeah. Are you moving on to a new
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topic? No, I'm not. I was just, the Nostra thing
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reminded me of it. I just thought that you got
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your robots doing a whole bunch of stuff. Maybe Buzz
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would help you. Yeah, you know, it's like I need
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another robot to look after the robots. This reminds me
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of when I had a lot of money and I
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had houses and I had people looking after the houses.
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Then I had people to look after the people looking
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after houses and then those people would get in fights
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with the accountant and the whole thing sucked. It's yeah,
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I literally had three terminal windows today open and I'm
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and all three are doing something and I'm watching all
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three and I'm bopping between each one of them giving
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them different instructions. I'm like, this is hard. this that's
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that's why you need the buzz thing i don't know
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let them coordinate it themselves ever since the robot sent
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an email to you on behalf of me i've become
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very cautious with robots controlling robots That was funny. That
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was not funny. It was funny to me, and I
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knew it would not be funny to you. One of
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your agents sent me an email, and I was like,
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and the part that made me chuckle It said, thanks,
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Adam. No, it said, thanks, M-Adam. And I was like,
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wait a second. Somebody has hacked Adam's email. This is
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not him. Oh, man. Yeah, I... Well, this all comes
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back to I was, you know, I've been going through
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the process of shutting down our lightning node this week.
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Yes. And, whoo! Boy. That's tough. It's intense. Yeah. This...
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L and D is not for mortals. No. Um, This
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is a thing that was created by a bunch of
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computer science nerds. And, and, Like... It's taken, it has
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taken about a week just to shut down or just
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to close all the channels. Yeah. Uh, it's, I mean,
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it's going to be another 10 days roughly before we
473
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can actually take the whole thing offline to try to
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get, you know, cause we're, I'm, I'm rushing, I'm racing
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the clock because I don't want to pay another 200
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and something dollars, 240, 240 voltage fee, but yeah. so
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we had to force close some channels. We had a
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hundred and... Oh, we had tons of channels. Forty? Yeah.
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140 channels? Yep, yep. And it turns out LND is
480
00:33:47,670 --> 00:33:53,079
just not built for that. So, the only way for
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mildly technical people to manage an LND node is... Is
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to use a graph, a UI tool, something like Ride
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00:34:08,349 --> 00:34:11,369
the Lightning or something. Yeah, but that wouldn't even load
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00:34:11,369 --> 00:34:14,670
on ours. But it won't load because our database is
485
00:34:14,670 --> 00:34:22,880
so humongous that it's completely unusable. Yeah. And it takes...
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about seven hours for our node to reboot i unlocked
487
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,500
it by the way i saw it the other mornings
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00:34:28,500 --> 00:34:31,239
just sitting there oh thank you i appreciate it thank
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00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:36,309
you so our our our database in lnd is so
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large that every nothing works the only thing you can
491
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:43,659
do is manage it through the lncli command line tool
492
00:34:43,659 --> 00:34:47,320
yeah yeah And so that means I have to go
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00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:52,679
start researching how to do all this stuff through the
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LNCLI. Finally, I just said, because it involves... Close all.
495
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:04,369
Yeah. It's like... Find some way to do a channel
496
00:35:04,369 --> 00:35:06,720
listing. Okay, you get that far. Now you have to
497
00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:12,820
go and copy and paste, copy out the channel ID
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00:35:12,820 --> 00:35:19,349
with an index because you can have multiple channel IDs
499
00:35:19,349 --> 00:35:23,679
with the same index. not a hash but with different
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00:35:23,679 --> 00:35:27,029
indexes and so i had to go through and and
501
00:35:27,029 --> 00:35:29,380
and you know you got to find those and put
502
00:35:29,380 --> 00:35:31,320
them in finally i just said you know why am
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00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,320
i doing this and so i just i just vibe
504
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:37,279
coded a thing i said give me a script here
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00:35:37,279 --> 00:35:42,380
here's the here's your your um uh macaroon Go. Yeah,
506
00:35:42,380 --> 00:35:45,940
yeah, yeah. I'm like, no, you can't have the macaroon.
507
00:35:46,699 --> 00:35:50,050
This cookie is not for you. But I want a
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00:35:50,050 --> 00:35:53,269
script where I can stick in the macaroon, and I
509
00:35:53,269 --> 00:35:55,500
just want to be able to give a number. I
510
00:35:55,500 --> 00:35:58,309
want to say, I want a script where I can
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00:35:58,309 --> 00:36:01,720
give it a count and say, close the five. Or
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00:36:01,720 --> 00:36:07,500
X number of lowest capacity channels. Just do it. Because
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00:36:07,500 --> 00:36:10,360
sometimes the channel is offline or it's online. And if
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00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,059
it's offline, you're going to have to force close it.
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00:36:13,059 --> 00:36:15,829
So, I got this little script. I start running this
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00:36:15,829 --> 00:36:21,720
thing. So, it's cooperatively closing online channels. It's force closing
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channels. Channels that are offline. And that's what I've been
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doing for roughly a week. Sometimes LNCLI will lock up
519
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:37,619
and never respond. Mm-hmm. I know this. We should have
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00:36:37,619 --> 00:36:41,730
known this when they said, just boost bigger amounts. We
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00:36:41,730 --> 00:36:45,720
should have known back then that this was never really
522
00:36:45,720 --> 00:36:51,010
engineered for micropayments the way we envisioned it. And really,
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00:36:51,010 --> 00:36:55,029
the only way that this lightning network actually works is
524
00:36:55,029 --> 00:36:58,029
if you have a couple channels with huge capacity to
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00:36:58,029 --> 00:37:02,559
other nodes with a couple channels with huge capacity. Yeah,
526
00:37:02,559 --> 00:37:05,220
that's the only way it works. And it works quite
527
00:37:05,220 --> 00:37:08,170
well, actually, when you do that. Like, strike, you know,
528
00:37:08,170 --> 00:37:10,349
works great, but, you know, we understand what's going on
529
00:37:10,349 --> 00:37:17,300
in the background. And classic us... This move is way
530
00:37:17,300 --> 00:37:23,059
too early. Way too early. That's my brand, baby. It's
531
00:37:23,059 --> 00:37:26,000
your brand, yes. You just need a teacher to say,
532
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,539
I was too early. Yeah, but this, so I think
533
00:37:28,539 --> 00:37:34,179
I sent you a whole document about the... 400x protocol
534
00:37:34,179 --> 00:37:39,440
that Cloudflare is you know is behind with their stable
535
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:44,329
coin gambit. Yeah. You watch. You watch. That's going to
536
00:37:44,329 --> 00:37:47,659
take off. And it won't take off with us, but
537
00:37:47,659 --> 00:37:50,139
it'll take off because it's going to be all AI
538
00:37:50,139 --> 00:37:54,159
agents running around doing little micropayments with each other. And
539
00:37:54,159 --> 00:37:58,699
it's going to be kind of the same idea. But
540
00:37:58,699 --> 00:38:04,880
we're still... Obviously stuck with the brain problem that people
541
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:09,869
have of Bitcoin, stablecoin, whatever it is, coin, any other
542
00:38:09,869 --> 00:38:14,440
coin than their own currency. It's just difficult. And I'm
543
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:20,389
just going to keep asking for the funding tag button
544
00:38:20,389 --> 00:38:25,000
to be big. on the apps it works and you
545
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,400
know i i'd love to figure out how we can
546
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,739
get the apps a part of that money that was
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00:38:29,739 --> 00:38:32,519
that was the beauty of what we had built the
548
00:38:32,519 --> 00:38:36,510
splits that was the beauty of it And I just
549
00:38:36,510 --> 00:38:39,779
don't know if we can ever get that together. I
550
00:38:39,779 --> 00:38:43,579
think, yeah, I think so. I think we can. I
551
00:38:43,579 --> 00:38:54,900
think the problem was a... a philosophical disconnect between between
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00:38:56,300 --> 00:39:03,599
What? the light what we envisioned lightning to be and
553
00:39:03,599 --> 00:39:11,239
what The lightning Bitcoin ecosystem envisioned lightning to be. Mm-hmm.
554
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:17,699
You know, we saw the world a specific way. And
555
00:39:17,699 --> 00:39:22,739
that's actually not the way they saw it. No. And
556
00:39:22,739 --> 00:39:29,059
that's not a technical problem. That's a worldview problem. Mm-hmm.
557
00:39:30,279 --> 00:39:34,659
And, you know, there's stuff – I can send a
558
00:39:34,659 --> 00:39:39,059
payment right now from cash app to strike using Lightning,
559
00:39:39,059 --> 00:39:42,220
and it works fine. And that's fine. If that's what
560
00:39:42,220 --> 00:39:53,510
they want, that's fine. But, like, self-sovereign, low-fee – Payments,
561
00:39:53,510 --> 00:40:00,000
that works well. Only in a very specific way.
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00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:06,119
circumstance with a highly technical individual. Or group with lots
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00:40:06,119 --> 00:40:12,599
of available financial resources. And time. Lots of time. And
564
00:40:12,599 --> 00:40:15,480
time. It's not for, it's just never going to be
565
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:20,820
sufficient for your average, I just want to get paid
566
00:40:20,820 --> 00:40:26,210
podcaster. Yeah. But a platform like a fountain or a
567
00:40:26,210 --> 00:40:29,909
true fans or something like that, they can – do
568
00:40:29,909 --> 00:40:34,989
those things they they can but our our our vision
569
00:40:34,989 --> 00:40:38,500
me and you our vision was just was that some
570
00:40:38,500 --> 00:40:41,500
was just that a podcaster could just turn this stuff
571
00:40:41,500 --> 00:40:45,719
on yeah yeah that as also our brand yes Yeah,
572
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:47,989
exactly. Oh, you can do it. It has to be
573
00:40:47,989 --> 00:40:52,260
doable by the average Joe in this kitchen. Yeah, and
574
00:40:52,260 --> 00:40:56,039
also for the average listener who wants to support. I
575
00:40:56,039 --> 00:41:00,400
mean, that's always been the issue. is how do I
576
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,630
do this? I've helped so many people calling on the
577
00:41:03,630 --> 00:41:05,780
phone crying. I really want to support the show, but
578
00:41:05,780 --> 00:41:08,840
I don't understand how to get the stats from here
579
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,480
to there and back into this. And it's so complicated.
580
00:41:12,739 --> 00:41:14,139
I want to be a part of the future. And
581
00:41:14,139 --> 00:41:15,900
now they're all, they hate me now. They don't talk
582
00:41:15,900 --> 00:41:19,670
to me anymore. Well, I'm really happy that, like, you
583
00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:21,590
know, A bunch of people in the boardroom saying, you
584
00:41:21,590 --> 00:41:24,119
know, my note still works great, all this kind of...
585
00:41:24,119 --> 00:41:28,340
I'm glad. I'm glad. Yeah. I think that that is...
586
00:41:28,340 --> 00:41:31,460
I want... Because the theory of all this stuff still
587
00:41:31,460 --> 00:41:35,829
works. Mm-hmm. It works fine. If Sir Spencer and Chad
588
00:41:35,829 --> 00:41:40,659
F and, you know, Eric PP and Salty Crayon, if...
589
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,380
if all these people have they if they have lightning
590
00:41:43,380 --> 00:41:46,599
nodes and they're you know sending each other money that's
591
00:41:46,599 --> 00:41:49,929
all that's great it works it does but it works
592
00:41:49,929 --> 00:41:53,920
but you you can't get your average you know baby
593
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:58,320
boomer at church no on boarded with this thing it
594
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:02,980
just it's not it can't happen it doesn't work Well,
595
00:42:02,980 --> 00:42:05,980
Daniel J. Lewis says that he may have something for
596
00:42:05,980 --> 00:42:09,360
us soon. Within a week or two. Okay, I can
597
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,659
wait. I can wait for a week or two. That'd
598
00:42:11,659 --> 00:42:14,019
be great, but I think everybody needs to do this.
599
00:42:14,639 --> 00:42:19,599
Sam at TrueFans, you need to have this page. I
600
00:42:19,599 --> 00:42:24,630
don't see the page as being the problem. There's lots
601
00:42:24,630 --> 00:42:28,340
of systems that let you set up a page with
602
00:42:28,340 --> 00:42:33,429
different options. But the content has to come first. The
603
00:42:33,429 --> 00:42:37,969
page has to exist. Then the apps see that everybody
604
00:42:37,969 --> 00:42:41,630
is starting to adopt this page, and that is the
605
00:42:41,630 --> 00:42:44,679
impetus for them to put the big button on. Oh,
606
00:42:44,679 --> 00:42:46,530
I see what you're saying. Well, I have a page
607
00:42:46,530 --> 00:42:50,139
right now. I have a page. for we get to
608
00:42:50,139 --> 00:42:52,670
do this I have a page no agenda has a
609
00:42:52,670 --> 00:42:55,800
page it's in the boost in the funding tag it's
610
00:42:55,800 --> 00:43:03,199
in there I think. Double check. I think it goes
611
00:43:03,199 --> 00:43:06,260
to noagendadonations.com, which is exactly where I want it to
612
00:43:06,260 --> 00:43:12,480
go. let me check i'm pretty sure that's just it
613
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,289
always cracks me up the little button on podcast index
614
00:43:15,289 --> 00:43:18,760
with the pig and the coin piggy bank yeah no
615
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:24,579
agenda donations.com yeah support the show boom no agenda donations.com
616
00:43:24,579 --> 00:43:28,179
that's what i want That's all. Donate with PayPal, Stripe,
617
00:43:28,179 --> 00:43:30,980
Bitcoin. It's all there. Donate through the P.O. Box. It's
618
00:43:30,980 --> 00:43:38,289
perfect. Looks nice. Looks beautiful. If I can get the
619
00:43:38,289 --> 00:43:42,780
node fully shut down. So we have... There's three channels
620
00:43:42,780 --> 00:43:48,800
left. One... The force close should be settled by now,
621
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,789
probably. It's probably already done. There's another one that's going
622
00:43:51,789 --> 00:43:53,639
to take about another three days, and there's one that's
623
00:43:53,639 --> 00:43:56,539
going to take like nine days to settle the force
624
00:43:56,539 --> 00:44:01,260
close transaction. Once those are done, I should be able
625
00:44:01,260 --> 00:44:04,550
to fully shut the node down, and then we can
626
00:44:04,550 --> 00:44:09,400
work on this. And then I'll take that money –
627
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,750
Uh, excuse me, not take the money. Excuse me. The,
628
00:44:12,750 --> 00:44:18,889
the, and run the, I'm out. Uh, there's a, there's,
629
00:44:18,889 --> 00:44:22,190
there's a virtual machine that's actually pretty sizable. I need,
630
00:44:22,190 --> 00:44:24,550
I need to see how big that thing is, but
631
00:44:24,550 --> 00:44:27,559
it's not insignificant. I think it may be an eight
632
00:44:27,559 --> 00:44:32,170
gig Linode machine. That does nothing but node management of
633
00:44:32,170 --> 00:44:35,590
our node. Oh yeah. Okay. And so then that will
634
00:44:35,590 --> 00:44:39,289
recover that money as well. Okay. That, and then, and
635
00:44:39,289 --> 00:44:43,409
then I think that is probably enough to cover the
636
00:44:43,409 --> 00:44:48,199
bigger database. Okay. Oh, nice. Oh, that's nice. And so
637
00:44:48,199 --> 00:44:50,900
I'm looking at the Pod News Weekly Review, support this
638
00:44:50,900 --> 00:44:55,119
podcast. It goes to the Buzzsprout page, power supporter. And
639
00:44:55,119 --> 00:44:59,059
I don't like what I'm seeing, but it's okay. I
640
00:44:59,059 --> 00:45:01,960
mean, it says become a monthly supporter. What if I
641
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,300
just want to support $3 a month? If you ask
642
00:45:05,300 --> 00:45:08,449
for tips, you're going to get tips, brothers. this no
643
00:45:08,449 --> 00:45:12,340
there's no eric there's no open donation eric said uh
644
00:45:12,340 --> 00:45:15,000
how how should we boost you and adam from now
645
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,420
on just uh through i've already changed our splits it's
646
00:45:18,420 --> 00:45:21,980
all going to the podcast index uh at get albie.com
647
00:45:21,980 --> 00:45:25,199
so we're just we're just gonna switch everything to the
648
00:45:25,199 --> 00:45:28,590
albie hub yeah because it's so small anyway Now, of
649
00:45:28,590 --> 00:45:34,000
course, my Start 9 isn't working anymore. Why? What happened?
650
00:45:34,119 --> 00:45:37,119
I don't know. I went to open up Helipad, and
651
00:45:37,119 --> 00:45:41,380
the Tor doesn't connect. I rebooted the box. Tor doesn't
652
00:45:41,380 --> 00:45:44,659
connect. Nothing. Could it be something? I don't know. I
653
00:45:44,659 --> 00:45:46,980
have to figure it out now. I didn't have time
654
00:45:46,980 --> 00:45:50,539
to fix it before the... before the shit you know
655
00:45:50,539 --> 00:45:53,320
it's probably because they they jumped on the knots thing
656
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,739
and it probably screwed up the whole node do you
657
00:45:56,739 --> 00:46:00,679
follow any of that oh is this one yeah yeah
658
00:46:00,679 --> 00:46:04,050
110 and start knives like yeah we're all for this
659
00:46:04,050 --> 00:46:07,239
so the node probably broke i don't know what happened
660
00:46:07,659 --> 00:46:10,230
is knots a dead thing now i don't know i
661
00:46:10,230 --> 00:46:12,739
don't know it didn't work out that's all i know
662
00:46:12,739 --> 00:46:15,720
it was a lot of noise for something that didn't
663
00:46:15,720 --> 00:46:24,429
work out Yeah, for sure. Yeah, so... You got anything
664
00:46:24,429 --> 00:46:27,150
else on that or I can switch gears? No, you
665
00:46:27,150 --> 00:46:33,289
can switch gears. uh we probably need i want to
666
00:46:33,289 --> 00:46:36,760
talk about first of all you're buzzing you're buzzing what's
667
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,539
buzzing yeah you're buzzing yeah let me check i did
668
00:46:39,539 --> 00:46:43,369
nothing yeah you did no i didn't yeah there's a
669
00:46:43,369 --> 00:46:46,809
usb cable near your mic cable i've i've done nothing
670
00:46:46,809 --> 00:46:49,650
okay it's gone now yeah you're just like the vorac
671
00:46:49,650 --> 00:46:52,809
no no nothing changed all i did was put some
672
00:46:52,809 --> 00:46:56,720
chocolate by my keyboard oh there it is stop it
673
00:46:56,720 --> 00:47:03,460
with the chocolate it's got lead in it okay spotify
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00:47:03,460 --> 00:47:07,559
skip ahead button oh well yes this is exactly where
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00:47:07,559 --> 00:47:09,199
i wanted to go but i was leaving it up
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00:47:09,199 --> 00:47:12,349
to you and i would like to um give everybody
677
00:47:12,349 --> 00:47:16,159
the quote of the week The quote of the week
678
00:47:16,159 --> 00:47:20,820
comes to you from the Podsage, I quote verbatim. I
679
00:47:20,820 --> 00:47:24,079
look at what AMP wants podcast app developers to do
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00:47:24,079 --> 00:47:27,070
in support of advertisers. Then I look at what podcast
681
00:47:27,070 --> 00:47:32,039
app developers are actually doing with advert skipping. One of
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00:47:32,039 --> 00:47:34,670
those will win out, and it isn't the one that
683
00:47:34,670 --> 00:47:38,869
requires tons of first-party data, collection, reporting, and the taking
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00:47:38,869 --> 00:47:44,230
on of privacy liabilities. Was signed Dave Jones, August 7th,
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00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:50,360
2026. Undersigned. Move the chocolate because that buzz is back.
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00:47:50,539 --> 00:47:54,110
Move the chocolate. I did nothing. I'm telling you. I
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00:47:54,110 --> 00:47:56,260
haven't even eaten. I've not even eaten the chocolate. It's
688
00:47:56,260 --> 00:48:00,220
always a USB cable that does this. I mean, I
689
00:48:00,220 --> 00:48:03,070
can sh- I can sh- Just move- Just move the
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00:48:03,070 --> 00:48:07,989
cable. I'm just gonna get- Look- there that yeah perfect
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00:48:07,989 --> 00:48:11,300
do it live i just i just i just whacked
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00:48:11,300 --> 00:48:17,159
the roadcaster stop the hammering What kind of chocolate this
693
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is? I don't know. It has no, it's generic chocolate.
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00:48:23,059 --> 00:48:29,079
It has natural flavors. Oh, Chaka Love Chaka Love Chaka
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00:48:29,079 --> 00:48:37,480
Love Spell this for me Chaka Love C-H-O-C-O-L-O-V-E Chaka Love
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00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,679
Chaka Love, that is our show title Perfect And right
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00:48:39,679 --> 00:48:46,300
under it it's got X-O-X-O-X-O Chaka Love, baby Yeah That's
698
00:48:46,300 --> 00:48:48,900
You know there's a rapper out there named Chocolove. Yeah,
699
00:48:48,900 --> 00:48:56,250
that's 100% the case. Word. So, yeah, like people are
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00:48:56,250 --> 00:49:00,119
losing their mind about the Spotify skip ahead button. This
701
00:49:00,119 --> 00:49:04,309
is inevitable. Well, first of all, I thought, you know,
702
00:49:04,309 --> 00:49:08,909
I'm in the secret WhatsApp group. I love that you're
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in this. You can relay. I can't believe they haven't
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kicked me out yet. I mean, I'm just a lurker.
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And in the secret WhatsApp group, so there was kind
706
00:49:18,460 --> 00:49:21,380
of a lead up to this. so we so first
707
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we had podtastic right remember podtastic yeah oh yeah and
708
00:49:26,099 --> 00:49:29,550
then came castria which sounds a lot like castration i
709
00:49:29,550 --> 00:49:32,090
don't know why that's a terrible name for an app
710
00:49:32,090 --> 00:49:35,420
yeah castria and and i think they all kind of
711
00:49:35,420 --> 00:49:38,880
do the same thing it's like you know it downloads
712
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:43,610
the show and then it You know, gives you opportunities
713
00:49:43,610 --> 00:49:47,010
to skip. And what was interesting is in the WhatsApp
714
00:49:47,010 --> 00:49:50,690
group, when I think it was Castrio, when that came
715
00:49:50,690 --> 00:49:54,210
out, the Criddler went nuts. He's like, this is bad,
716
00:49:54,210 --> 00:49:57,529
this is an outrage. And he filed a copyright violation
717
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against them in the app stores.
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00:50:02,079 --> 00:50:06,050
Because they're infringing on copyright, which I actually don't think
719
00:50:06,050 --> 00:50:11,800
they are. Is it like maybe an international thing, difference?
720
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No, no. The idea that it's changing, you know, it's
721
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changing your material. Whatever. If they're re-hosting it, there's an
722
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:28,050
argument there. But re-hosting it on the app? Yeah. Yeah,
723
00:50:28,050 --> 00:50:31,800
no, that you don't local. You don't. I think so.
724
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,599
But it doesn't matter. OK. All right. But the outrage
725
00:50:34,599 --> 00:50:37,880
was just off the charts. And then Spotify comes out
726
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,590
with pretty much the same thing. And it was like,
727
00:50:40,590 --> 00:50:42,530
oh, we've got to look at this. What are they
728
00:50:42,530 --> 00:50:45,619
doing? You know, but I didn't see anyone filing any
729
00:50:45,619 --> 00:50:49,210
copyright claims against the Spotify app. So I just thought
730
00:50:49,210 --> 00:50:53,639
that was interesting. And then subsequently... Well, the Spotify app,
731
00:50:53,639 --> 00:50:55,869
in their defense, they just have a button. That other
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00:50:55,869 --> 00:51:01,349
app does it automatically. Okay. So... This and this goes
733
00:51:01,349 --> 00:51:04,829
to what I've been saying for months. And I think
734
00:51:04,829 --> 00:51:09,159
you just said it is unavoidable. It is the future.
735
00:51:09,159 --> 00:51:13,519
Because everybody now can vibe code their own thing. Yeah,
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00:51:13,519 --> 00:51:15,679
you know, it may take you eight weeks to get
737
00:51:15,679 --> 00:51:18,380
it approved through the App Store, the way things are
738
00:51:18,380 --> 00:51:23,480
going. But, you know, this is the future and i
739
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:26,949
used to get really upset just by the fast you
740
00:51:26,949 --> 00:51:30,519
know the two two x three x speed because to
741
00:51:30,519 --> 00:51:33,000
me that was a i felt violated like i put
742
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:36,780
all this effort in to make everything sound good i
743
00:51:36,780 --> 00:51:41,000
put in And pauses, John and I would have pauses
744
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:45,900
that were purposeful, meaningful, and intentional. And, you know, Overcast
745
00:51:45,900 --> 00:51:49,760
cuts them out. You know, like, oh, and I felt
746
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:53,860
my art was violated, but I gave up because, hey,
747
00:51:53,860 --> 00:51:56,530
you know, I give you the show, you do whatever
748
00:51:56,530 --> 00:52:03,780
you want with it. And... This is where all applications
749
00:52:03,780 --> 00:52:10,269
are going. All applications will be completely user-defined. I know
750
00:52:10,269 --> 00:52:13,539
because I'm already doing it myself. I don't have to
751
00:52:13,539 --> 00:52:18,250
use your stupid outlook. I created my own spreadsheet viewer,
752
00:52:18,250 --> 00:52:21,139
and it works the way I want it to. And
753
00:52:21,139 --> 00:52:23,039
I just did it by telling the robot to build
754
00:52:23,039 --> 00:52:25,809
something and it built it. Boom, done. So this is
755
00:52:25,809 --> 00:52:30,780
going to happen. This is unavoidable. And people do not
756
00:52:30,780 --> 00:52:34,949
care in general. First of all, most people think that
757
00:52:34,949 --> 00:52:37,260
the app is putting the ads in. They don't even
758
00:52:37,260 --> 00:52:40,099
realize that it comes from the podcasters. I hear this
759
00:52:40,099 --> 00:52:43,650
all the time. yes hey man you know this this
760
00:52:43,650 --> 00:52:46,699
podverse app you keep telling me to use it's putting
761
00:52:46,699 --> 00:52:50,179
ads in man no no that's actually not the app
762
00:52:50,179 --> 00:52:54,369
that is from the podcaster um when someone pays a
763
00:52:54,369 --> 00:53:00,760
premium for YouTube, as an example. Now, YouTube, of course,
764
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,860
is very separate because they sell the ads. But, you
765
00:53:03,860 --> 00:53:08,409
know, you don't get to... as a producer you don't
766
00:53:08,409 --> 00:53:11,639
put in your own dynamically inserted ads youtube does all
767
00:53:11,639 --> 00:53:14,579
that for you so youtube then gives you i think
768
00:53:14,579 --> 00:53:18,280
45 of a subscription fee for that second that someone
769
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:22,289
apparently listened and so there's some kind of compensation but
770
00:53:22,289 --> 00:53:25,199
when people pay for an ad-free experience on spotify they
771
00:53:25,199 --> 00:53:29,900
expect an ad-free experience Including dynamically insert ads, which is
772
00:53:29,900 --> 00:53:32,659
really where it all went wrong. It all went wrong
773
00:53:32,659 --> 00:53:39,860
with the dynamically inserted ads. And people, funny enough... You
774
00:53:39,860 --> 00:53:44,170
know, it's tolerated, it's a part of culture, we've had
775
00:53:44,170 --> 00:53:47,389
ads in our face all this time. But no one
776
00:53:47,389 --> 00:53:52,420
really likes them, even though they're helpful and they don't
777
00:53:52,420 --> 00:53:57,840
even realize how it works. But ultimately, the way computing
778
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:04,320
is going with with local LLMs and scripting capabilities that
779
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:06,980
you can just ask your phone or your computer to
780
00:54:06,980 --> 00:54:10,099
make something. It's all, it's, people are going to do
781
00:54:10,099 --> 00:54:14,280
it. You can't stop it. It's like ad blockers. You
782
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:16,539
know, the ad blockers are just a thing. And no
783
00:54:16,539 --> 00:54:19,820
one even thinks twice about them. This is going the
784
00:54:19,820 --> 00:54:25,559
way of blogs. It just will. That's, yeah, the blog
785
00:54:25,559 --> 00:54:29,590
analogy is probably the best one I've heard. I mean,
786
00:54:29,590 --> 00:54:33,320
nobody or very, very few people can make, the only
787
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:37,500
people making money off blogs are people who are blogs
788
00:54:37,500 --> 00:54:42,539
that take paid subscribers. well like on a sub stack
789
00:54:42,539 --> 00:54:46,190
or a stratechery or one of those sub stack is
790
00:54:46,190 --> 00:54:50,909
genius sub stack is genius because they make it possible
791
00:54:50,909 --> 00:54:54,000
for it's kind of an although you can say this
792
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:57,130
is only for subscribers which i know i don't like
793
00:54:57,130 --> 00:55:00,070
i got don't feel like it um but once you've
794
00:55:00,070 --> 00:55:03,559
supported one of the sub stacks Then it's just one
795
00:55:03,559 --> 00:55:06,159
click. Then it's just like, oh, okay. Yeah, I want
796
00:55:06,159 --> 00:55:08,909
to support this guy with $8 a month. Click. One
797
00:55:08,909 --> 00:55:11,679
click, done. And it just runs until you look at
798
00:55:11,679 --> 00:55:14,460
your credit card statement like, why am I supporting this
799
00:55:14,460 --> 00:55:19,989
guy again? But to me, it's still the... The open
800
00:55:19,989 --> 00:55:24,199
value-for-value system is still the best. It still is the
801
00:55:24,199 --> 00:55:27,029
best way to do it. It's just it's not for
802
00:55:27,029 --> 00:55:31,199
everybody. And we still have this mentality of old school,
803
00:55:31,199 --> 00:55:34,779
there's 24 hours in a day, there's 60 minutes in
804
00:55:34,779 --> 00:55:37,639
an hour, we're going to allocate five minutes of that
805
00:55:37,639 --> 00:55:42,980
hour towards commercials, it's a linear system. It just doesn't
806
00:55:42,980 --> 00:55:47,369
really work, except at huge scale, which is where Google
807
00:55:47,369 --> 00:55:56,519
wins. Yeah, I think along those same lines, I mean,
808
00:55:56,519 --> 00:55:58,670
it shows – to me, it shows – the skip
809
00:55:58,670 --> 00:56:03,409
ahead button thing shows how much more valuable – Premium
810
00:56:03,409 --> 00:56:09,929
subscribers are than ad support. I mean, ad revenue can
811
00:56:09,929 --> 00:56:15,849
generate large numbers on paper, but when it comes to
812
00:56:15,849 --> 00:56:21,550
profit, I've yet to see that it's very profitable in
813
00:56:21,550 --> 00:56:27,529
the digital age. You know, unless you're It works for
814
00:56:27,529 --> 00:56:32,029
things like Google and Facebook because they own the entire
815
00:56:32,029 --> 00:56:35,670
stack. Yeah, including the ads there on the ad sales
816
00:56:35,670 --> 00:56:39,840
side. Yeah, they're selling the ads and displaying the ads
817
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:44,010
and have all the users and have all the advertisers
818
00:56:44,010 --> 00:56:48,940
and have all the businesses. It's a closed ecosystem. And
819
00:56:48,940 --> 00:56:52,400
we still don't actually know if they're even profitable. Yeah.
820
00:56:52,699 --> 00:56:57,539
Exactly. That's exactly. Because YouTube never breaks out their profit.
821
00:56:57,900 --> 00:57:00,659
Nope. And they've never spun YouTube off as a separate
822
00:57:00,659 --> 00:57:04,510
business, which is an obvious thing to do. Yes. So
823
00:57:04,510 --> 00:57:10,289
Spotify feels like giving their paying subscribers the ability to
824
00:57:10,289 --> 00:57:15,059
skip ads. They feel that that is worth it. That's
825
00:57:15,059 --> 00:57:19,800
worth it to keep the paying subscribers paying. over what
826
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,539
they would lose from the ad revenue yeah so they
827
00:57:22,539 --> 00:57:25,519
there you do this calculation and you say okay well
828
00:57:25,519 --> 00:57:27,059
if i do this button i'm going to lose a
829
00:57:27,059 --> 00:57:29,000
specific i'm going to lose a certain amount of ad
830
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:30,829
revenue i'm going to make a certain amount of people
831
00:57:30,829 --> 00:57:36,090
angry but i am willing to lose that because the
832
00:57:36,090 --> 00:57:42,220
risk of losing our premium users to YouTube who also
833
00:57:42,220 --> 00:57:46,599
has this skip button. Yeah, it's too is too high.
834
00:57:47,599 --> 00:57:49,659
Because YouTube already has the skip button and has had
835
00:57:49,659 --> 00:57:52,750
it for a long time. Right. But this isn't even
836
00:57:52,750 --> 00:57:57,320
about skip, man. This is about everything. Well, I agree.
837
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:02,139
But it's like, do... The interesting thing to me is
838
00:58:02,139 --> 00:58:05,539
Spotify, you go back to the amp accords, which I'm
839
00:58:05,539 --> 00:58:08,489
probably the only person that will ever still talk about
840
00:58:08,489 --> 00:58:11,360
the amp accords. Everybody else is like the whole world
841
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:16,460
has moved on. But the amp accord, Spotify was supposedly
842
00:58:16,460 --> 00:58:20,269
in the room with the amp people. We can't confirm
843
00:58:20,269 --> 00:58:25,460
that because not everybody agreed to be publicly recognized. They
844
00:58:25,460 --> 00:58:30,800
were on the list. Yeah. and then they turn around
845
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:34,300
and do this yeah they they agreed to all these
846
00:58:34,300 --> 00:58:37,440
things yeah we're we're all on board with the amp
847
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:39,720
thing and uh and then they turn around do a
848
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:43,769
skip button yeah like whoa i mean that's just like
849
00:58:43,769 --> 00:58:47,329
rug pulling the hell out of everybody that was part
850
00:58:47,329 --> 00:58:53,260
of the amp thing um So it's clearly for the
851
00:58:53,260 --> 00:58:57,099
same reason that YouTube does. Am I – My feeling
852
00:58:57,099 --> 00:59:01,460
is that YouTube makes... Way more money from premium subscribers
853
00:59:01,460 --> 00:59:05,800
than they do from advertising. So they use the fact
854
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:13,920
that advertising is super annoying as the single primary driver
855
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:18,380
to make you sign up for premium. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
856
00:59:19,570 --> 00:59:23,860
Advertising is only useful to these sorts of companies as
857
00:59:23,860 --> 00:59:26,529
a way to drive you to pay them cash on
858
00:59:26,529 --> 00:59:33,510
a monthly basis for premium subscription. Mm-hmm. You know… And
859
00:59:33,510 --> 00:59:38,360
it's exactly what you said is, The, the old model
860
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:44,599
of linear broadcasting. Honestly, okay, if you think about it,
861
00:59:45,860 --> 00:59:50,329
The only two advertising – sort of advertising-supported content delivery
862
00:59:50,329 --> 00:59:56,909
mechanisms that we've ever had fully advertising-supported were broadcast television
863
00:59:56,909 --> 00:59:58,760
and broadcast radio.
864
01:00:00,030 --> 01:00:02,920
There were other ads – there were other ad-supported mediums
865
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:06,639
like newspapers and magazines, but they were not fully ad-supported.
866
01:00:06,719 --> 01:00:09,829
You still had to buy a subscription. The advertising dollars
867
01:00:09,829 --> 01:00:13,550
for magazines and newspapers and those kinds of – those
868
01:00:13,550 --> 01:00:18,170
were additional revenue for the publication. But let us remember,
869
01:00:18,170 --> 01:00:23,260
where did the real revenue come from for newspapers? Classified
870
01:00:23,260 --> 01:00:27,760
ads. Yeah, that's right. And so you had multiple revenue
871
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:31,619
streams. The only two things that were ever fully supported
872
01:00:31,619 --> 01:00:36,920
by advertising only were broadcast, linear broadcast radio and television.
873
01:00:37,780 --> 01:00:42,980
And those, like you said, the inventory constraint, the scarcity
874
01:00:42,980 --> 01:00:46,659
of the number of hours in a day. Yep. Yep.
875
01:00:47,559 --> 01:00:50,900
made that a workable model but that just is that
876
01:00:50,900 --> 01:00:55,969
those days are gone gone dead she's dead jim hey
877
01:00:55,969 --> 01:01:01,980
by the way my start nine just came alive oh
878
01:01:01,980 --> 01:01:05,840
how about that all channels are closed hey those bastards
879
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:10,420
at podcast index closed my channel yeah you're starting out
880
01:01:10,420 --> 01:01:16,949
it's like we're so back wait what yeah so i
881
01:01:16,949 --> 01:01:19,789
just i mean this this is inevitable but just go
882
01:01:19,789 --> 01:01:22,489
beyond it because if you look at what uh cast
883
01:01:22,489 --> 01:01:30,730
castratia did um castradia castradia let me see castria podcast
884
01:01:30,730 --> 01:01:34,510
app Because it had some other interesting features that I
885
01:01:34,510 --> 01:01:38,659
thought were, okay, here, Castria app. It hasn't been taken
886
01:01:38,659 --> 01:01:44,469
down yet. I wonder why. Um... Okay, so they sell
887
01:01:44,469 --> 01:01:47,920
it as the Castree app skips the ads in every
888
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:51,880
podcast for you automatically. 100% free! Plus, here it is.
889
01:01:52,940 --> 01:01:58,019
AI summary, searchable transcripts, tap to jump topics, offline listening,
890
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:04,139
You know, it's starting to do things that I'm interested
891
01:02:04,139 --> 01:02:08,500
in. Just a simple example. Now, I have more time
892
01:02:08,500 --> 01:02:12,289
on my hands for some reason, but every Friday, I
893
01:02:12,289 --> 01:02:19,199
want to get the latest from Pod News Weekly Review.
894
01:02:19,409 --> 01:02:21,880
And I just have my robot, my robot knows, hey,
895
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:25,099
it's time for podcasting 2.0. Okay, all right, I'm going
896
01:02:25,099 --> 01:02:27,480
to go look at all of Dave's posts on the
897
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:31,230
index. I'm going to go look at JS, because Sporlock
898
01:02:31,230 --> 01:02:34,889
always has interesting things to look at. It looks at
899
01:02:34,889 --> 01:02:39,519
my bench of articles I've saved. And then it goes
900
01:02:39,519 --> 01:02:43,579
and gets the transcript from actually does its own transcript.
901
01:02:44,099 --> 01:02:46,750
So it gets a pod news weekly review, gets the
902
01:02:46,750 --> 01:02:50,500
transcript and then looks for things that I'm interested in.
903
01:02:50,500 --> 01:02:53,570
And it cross references the topics that you're talking about
904
01:02:53,570 --> 01:02:56,550
and Spurlock is talking about. It surfaces those and it
905
01:02:56,550 --> 01:03:00,050
gives me a little clip to listen to. I mean,
906
01:03:00,050 --> 01:03:06,150
come on. It's beautiful. It is beautiful. And I just,
907
01:03:06,150 --> 01:03:08,769
you know, I just dreamt it up. The dream build
908
01:03:08,769 --> 01:03:21,010
loop is phenomenal. These... excuse me eric pp yes today's
909
01:03:21,010 --> 01:03:24,900
two witty openers were literally written by the robot i
910
01:03:24,900 --> 01:03:32,500
was surprised myself that, The way that These things are
911
01:03:32,500 --> 01:03:37,079
right now. I don't, I'm guessing Castria is vibe coded.
912
01:03:37,260 --> 01:03:39,800
I'm, I'm assuming that it is. I mean, these, maybe,
913
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:43,179
maybe I'm, maybe I'm wrong. I wonder who's behind it.
914
01:03:43,340 --> 01:03:49,670
Hmm. this is a knowing thing i don't know i
915
01:03:49,670 --> 01:03:53,019
wonder who's behind it wonder who's vibe coding a lot
916
01:03:53,019 --> 01:03:56,880
hmm i wonder who created that app hmm so the
917
01:03:56,880 --> 01:04:01,239
current state of them boils down to all these ad
918
01:04:01,239 --> 01:04:05,760
skipping apps boils down to this oh If you want
919
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:10,639
an app that randomly removes parts of the podcast that
920
01:04:10,639 --> 01:04:14,610
you're listening to grab one of these apps yeah because
921
01:04:14,610 --> 01:04:18,849
right now they do they are completely all over the
922
01:04:18,849 --> 01:04:22,579
map they will just pull entire sections of that of
923
01:04:22,579 --> 01:04:25,019
the episode out that don't that are not ads but
924
01:04:25,019 --> 01:04:28,840
because they think it is And you'll just randomly find
925
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:33,510
parts missing. So, but that's the, that's always the first
926
01:04:33,510 --> 01:04:37,940
level, the first go. These things will get better over
927
01:04:37,940 --> 01:04:42,929
time. They always do. And in a few years, In
928
01:04:42,929 --> 01:04:46,340
a few years, ad skipping is just going to be
929
01:04:46,340 --> 01:04:50,179
the way this stuff works, man. Everything is going to
930
01:04:50,179 --> 01:04:54,099
do it. everything's gonna do your baked in ad sorry
931
01:04:54,099 --> 01:04:58,730
it's not gonna survive it's just not so i don't
932
01:04:58,730 --> 01:05:01,739
know what the i don't know what the answer is
933
01:05:01,739 --> 01:05:04,349
this this is the this was always the problem with
934
01:05:04,349 --> 01:05:06,679
the with with the amp records and with all these
935
01:05:06,679 --> 01:05:10,869
discussions is the heart the more ads you bake it
936
01:05:10,869 --> 01:05:17,230
i i listened to A couple of iHeartRadio podcasts, one
937
01:05:17,230 --> 01:05:23,480
of them is Better Offline, the Edzitron. That thing is
938
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:29,789
covered with ads. It's eaten up with ads. The ad
939
01:05:29,789 --> 01:05:33,420
load in iHeart, on iHeart, the ad load is huge.
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01:05:33,420 --> 01:05:37,070
Mm-hmm. And it's always funny to me because their tagline
941
01:05:37,070 --> 01:05:41,150
for iHeart Podcast is guaranteed human, but like a good
942
01:05:41,150 --> 01:05:46,739
50% of the ad reads are AI generated, obviously. So
943
01:05:46,739 --> 01:05:50,199
those things are covered up with ads. Acast Podcast covered
944
01:05:50,199 --> 01:05:54,449
up with ads. This is an industry that's just shooting
945
01:05:54,449 --> 01:05:58,940
itself in the foot. Yeah, like they always do. Always.
946
01:05:59,679 --> 01:06:06,050
But I'm not sad about it, honestly. I'm not. I
947
01:06:06,050 --> 01:06:10,699
get everything I want. I pay for things. You know,
948
01:06:10,699 --> 01:06:15,570
I support stuff. that's that's how that's how it works
949
01:06:15,570 --> 01:06:18,550
for me and all this other stuff is just it's
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01:06:18,550 --> 01:06:21,250
in the way man it's in the way and you
951
01:06:21,250 --> 01:06:25,230
know we have we have what an extra 500 000
952
01:06:25,230 --> 01:06:29,320
podcasts that have been created that very few listen to
953
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:34,220
that have all been vibe coded and uh text-to-speech created
954
01:06:34,470 --> 01:06:38,420
it's all useless and you know what podcasters themselves are
955
01:06:38,420 --> 01:06:41,789
idiots you know the whole idea how do you really
956
01:06:41,789 --> 01:06:44,639
feel yeah i'm gonna break it down for you let's
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01:06:44,639 --> 01:06:47,650
dive in deep dive deep dive let's do a deep
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01:06:47,650 --> 01:06:52,199
dive You know, Tina used to listen to the Megyn
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01:06:52,199 --> 01:06:55,880
Kelly podcast. And then Megyn Kelly went video. And then
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01:06:55,880 --> 01:07:01,539
she would watch the Megyn Kelly podcast on YouTube. And
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01:07:01,539 --> 01:07:04,539
then, of course, what you do is you create, you
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01:07:04,539 --> 01:07:06,840
know, your little segments and you post that in the
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01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:10,470
shorts or you create, you know, a 14-minute segment of
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01:07:10,470 --> 01:07:14,349
a certain guest. And then she only watches that. I
965
01:07:14,349 --> 01:07:18,720
mean, you're shooting yourself in the foot. And this whole
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01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:21,289
HLS video, I love it, man. I love that it
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01:07:21,289 --> 01:07:26,119
technically works, but... Even on, I don't know the exact
968
01:07:26,119 --> 01:07:30,579
details, but with RSS.com, okay, you're not starting off free,
969
01:07:30,579 --> 01:07:32,570
you have to get the max plan, and I'm not
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01:07:32,570 --> 01:07:36,239
sure if there are limitations, they may have none, because
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01:07:36,239 --> 01:07:39,889
those guys, they've got some magic voodoo over there, love
972
01:07:39,889 --> 01:07:43,400
them. where it's like, oh, just do whatever you want.
973
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:50,029
Wow, that's great. But ultimately, everyone has to put some
974
01:07:50,029 --> 01:07:55,880
limits on the amount of accesses you can have of
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01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:59,760
your HLS video And it's just going to come down
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01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:02,500
to, okay, what kind of money can I actually make
977
01:08:02,500 --> 01:08:06,720
on it to offset the cost versus throwing your crap
978
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:10,579
up on YouTube or on X? I think X is
979
01:08:10,579 --> 01:08:13,380
actually going to, you watch with this X money thing,
980
01:08:13,380 --> 01:08:16,029
Elon's going to do something with that that's going to
981
01:08:16,029 --> 01:08:19,279
screw up YouTube big time. You really think so? Yeah,
982
01:08:19,279 --> 01:08:23,359
I do. I do. Everybody hates him so much, though.
983
01:08:24,020 --> 01:08:30,300
But that's irrelevant. Money is money. i can't tolerate x
984
01:08:30,300 --> 01:08:33,979
no anymore it's just it's nothing but russian car crash
985
01:08:33,979 --> 01:08:37,869
videos and but that's your algo you have ads on
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01:08:37,869 --> 01:08:41,159
x i don't have any ads i don't know what
987
01:08:41,159 --> 01:08:45,029
ads you're talking about i mean they're they're just native
988
01:08:45,029 --> 01:08:49,309
they look like riposte sure But people will, if you
989
01:08:49,309 --> 01:08:53,579
have a link to your podcast and it's video, it
990
01:08:53,579 --> 01:08:56,539
won't be audio, it's video, and it's on X and
991
01:08:56,539 --> 01:08:59,390
you can click a button with your X money. Hey,
992
01:08:59,390 --> 01:09:01,840
I got $25 free from Elon for just signing up
993
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:05,880
for X money. I got 25 bucks. I love Elon.
994
01:09:06,059 --> 01:09:08,739
He's a great guy. Yeah. I love that guy. I
995
01:09:08,739 --> 01:09:12,829
love that guy. You know, I don't, no, I just,
996
01:09:12,829 --> 01:09:15,899
I don't see it. None of it makes any sense.
997
01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:20,529
And ultimately, the audience is in control. The audience is
998
01:09:20,529 --> 01:09:26,789
in control. And RSS and podcasting, The way it was
999
01:09:26,789 --> 01:09:31,149
created was completely the antithesis of what it's trying to
1000
01:09:31,149 --> 01:09:33,909
be shoehorned into. Well, I think, and I think you're
1001
01:09:33,909 --> 01:09:37,270
right. It all started with dynamic ad insertion. That's where
1002
01:09:37,270 --> 01:09:40,819
it screwed it up. That's the, that was the beginning
1003
01:09:40,819 --> 01:09:43,869
of what will, that was the beginning of what will
1004
01:09:43,869 --> 01:09:50,690
ultimately become dynamic. a medium that is forced into subscription
1005
01:09:50,690 --> 01:09:54,559
support yeah but that is so limited but i'm when
1006
01:09:54,559 --> 01:09:57,420
i say subscription support i should that was a mistake
1007
01:09:57,420 --> 01:09:59,979
i should have said direct audiences
1008
01:10:00,039 --> 01:10:04,060
Okay, yeah, that's different. Because subscription support, yeah, if you
1009
01:10:04,060 --> 01:10:08,880
have 100,000 people, then you can convert 10,000 of those
1010
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:12,119
to $1 a month, boom, you know, that's a living.
1011
01:10:12,119 --> 01:10:15,180
But you got to get to that 100,000 first. You
1012
01:10:15,180 --> 01:10:17,699
don't do that by saying, well, if you really want
1013
01:10:17,699 --> 01:10:20,399
to hear the good stuff, the premium content, give me
1014
01:10:20,399 --> 01:10:24,850
a break. no i'm a broadcaster from the old days
1015
01:10:24,850 --> 01:10:27,949
you know it's got to be free to air people
1016
01:10:27,949 --> 01:10:30,140
got to be able to access it and then you
1017
01:10:30,140 --> 01:10:32,170
just have to tell them like hey you know if
1018
01:10:32,170 --> 01:10:35,140
you don't support us we go away and it works
1019
01:10:35,140 --> 01:10:39,949
well the bitcoin lightning ecosystem wedged itself into a hole
1020
01:10:39,949 --> 01:10:43,130
where it every it went it's like uh Okay, we're
1021
01:10:43,130 --> 01:10:45,739
going to take what could have been this – what
1022
01:10:45,739 --> 01:10:49,960
could have been a – A support mechanism layered on
1023
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:55,460
top of podcasting, an open podcasting for open source all
1024
01:10:55,460 --> 01:11:01,880
the way down. And, and decided through, I don't know,
1025
01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:09,890
VC or, or something driven mechanics to, to bifurcate the
1026
01:11:09,890 --> 01:11:13,479
this whole you know lightning into two systems over here
1027
01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:16,229
on we're gonna have nostrils apps and we're gonna have
1028
01:11:16,229 --> 01:11:19,199
podcasting boosts yeah exactly the best blah blah blah the
1029
01:11:19,199 --> 01:11:22,579
best thing about it was bitcoin the worst thing about
1030
01:11:22,579 --> 01:11:25,409
it was bitcoin it was the best and the worst
1031
01:11:25,409 --> 01:11:30,520
of both things but now but now i think um
1032
01:11:30,970 --> 01:11:37,590
So now it's making itself irrelevant. And then – so
1033
01:11:37,590 --> 01:11:43,760
what we're left with is – Like for forcing. Forcing
1034
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:49,460
podcasting in, like... What am I trying to say? I
1035
01:11:49,460 --> 01:11:51,960
don't know. What are you trying to say? Say something.
1036
01:11:52,819 --> 01:11:55,430
I think what we were trying to do, we were
1037
01:11:55,430 --> 01:12:01,079
trying to build a system on top of podcasting that
1038
01:12:01,079 --> 01:12:05,100
was also open. That would allow everybody to get paid.
1039
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:12,260
Yeah. Including the apps. Right. And so now that is
1040
01:12:12,260 --> 01:12:17,420
still the goal. Yeah. Because if we look into the
1041
01:12:17,420 --> 01:12:23,819
future of a time when advertising is blocked at the
1042
01:12:23,819 --> 01:12:27,380
app level across the board, there has to be some
1043
01:12:27,380 --> 01:12:32,710
other mechanism in place to allow... Value for value to
1044
01:12:32,710 --> 01:12:36,979
continue to support podcasters and for them to make a
1045
01:12:36,979 --> 01:12:40,439
living. And I think that what we're left with is
1046
01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:47,619
things like X402, funding tag, you know, I don't know,
1047
01:12:47,619 --> 01:12:52,319
some sort of stable coin. I don't know. There's other
1048
01:12:52,319 --> 01:12:56,520
mechanisms in play. Well, the funding tag just works for
1049
01:12:56,520 --> 01:12:59,310
me. And it was really our own app where I
1050
01:12:59,310 --> 01:13:02,770
discovered, oh, man, this is just so easy. It has
1051
01:13:02,770 --> 01:13:06,760
a big button right there. Support this show. Click. Opens
1052
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:11,470
up. Okay. Oh, Stripe, well, I'm already somehow, it has
1053
01:13:11,470 --> 01:13:15,500
my information already. I don't know if that's through Shopify
1054
01:13:15,500 --> 01:13:18,340
or something else. I'm not sure how that got in
1055
01:13:18,340 --> 01:13:23,180
there, but okay. So it stored my payment method and
1056
01:13:23,180 --> 01:13:27,939
I just pay. with a message and you know i've
1057
01:13:27,939 --> 01:13:30,039
been doing this for we get to do this this
1058
01:13:30,039 --> 01:13:33,689
is so beautiful so we have um stripe and paypal
1059
01:13:33,689 --> 01:13:37,850
and stripe has apple pay it's got all venmo it's
1060
01:13:37,850 --> 01:13:41,239
all no paypal is part of venmo or venmo is
1061
01:13:41,239 --> 01:13:45,180
part of paypal all so everything is covered everything and
1062
01:13:45,180 --> 01:13:49,069
i built my own helipad I said, Robot, I need
1063
01:13:49,069 --> 01:13:54,409
to have a spreadsheet for every show. Robot went, okay,
1064
01:13:54,409 --> 01:13:59,829
Adam. I need some tokens for the API. Here's how
1065
01:13:59,829 --> 01:14:03,800
you get them. Okay. Make sure it's read-only, Adam. Okay.
1066
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:08,140
And I give it the tokens in an env file.
1067
01:14:09,039 --> 01:14:14,300
And it builds a spreadsheet for me. It's beautiful. It
1068
01:14:14,300 --> 01:14:17,340
has the comments, it goes into my email, checks for
1069
01:14:17,340 --> 01:14:22,909
any comments that were sent to notes at WGTDT.com, pulls
1070
01:14:22,909 --> 01:14:25,750
them out, puts them in. This is what I'm talking
1071
01:14:25,750 --> 01:14:31,689
about. The world is changing so rapidly. And if I
1072
01:14:31,689 --> 01:14:36,130
can do it, other people can do this too. For
1073
01:14:36,130 --> 01:14:41,000
sure. Yeah, for sure. Only the blessed, but otherwise. Doba.
1074
01:14:44,260 --> 01:14:58,569
Yeah. I'm not... I'm hopeful. I'm hopeful for... For the
1075
01:14:58,569 --> 01:15:06,979
future of... Um... Creators having a way to, for podcasters,
1076
01:15:06,979 --> 01:15:10,819
have a way to get paid value for value. Uh,
1077
01:15:10,819 --> 01:15:16,689
in, in that's, that says this that's open especially and
1078
01:15:16,689 --> 01:15:19,909
one thing that gives me hope is the most recent
1079
01:15:19,909 --> 01:15:26,760
apple um court yeah uh stuff like within the last
1080
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:29,600
couple of days yeah they they have had you know
1081
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:33,880
they've they've essentially if you're what if you're watching if
1082
01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:37,369
you're keeping track of this they've admitted the fees are
1083
01:15:37,369 --> 01:15:40,470
too high that they shouldn't have charged they if actually
1084
01:15:40,470 --> 01:15:42,470
if you read between the lines they're saying that they
1085
01:15:42,470 --> 01:15:45,010
should have charged zero yeah yeah Just a response to
1086
01:15:45,010 --> 01:15:51,039
Chad F. Yes, Chad F. Podverse has a funding tag,
1087
01:15:51,039 --> 01:15:53,439
but it's a little icon with a dollar sign on
1088
01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:58,970
a coin going into a slot. You know, that's obscure
1089
01:15:58,970 --> 01:16:02,289
to me. like i need because i got a big
1090
01:16:02,289 --> 01:16:04,960
play button a big live button i've got a big
1091
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:08,039
unsubscribe but it's easy to unsubscribe but it's not easy
1092
01:16:08,039 --> 01:16:13,239
to pay right under the unsubscribe put put donate that's
1093
01:16:13,239 --> 01:16:16,680
my point yes it's there but i i can't tell
1094
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:19,350
everybody for every app go and look for this go
1095
01:16:19,350 --> 01:16:21,840
and look for the little icon of a coin with
1096
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:25,180
a dollar sign on it people that's my point it's
1097
01:16:25,180 --> 01:16:30,859
a user experience issue it's not a technical issue So,
1098
01:16:30,859 --> 01:16:35,149
yeah, so just – I guess what I'm trying to
1099
01:16:35,149 --> 01:16:38,159
say is I have a hope that there is –
1100
01:16:38,159 --> 01:16:44,000
there's alternatives beyond lightning and – They seem to be
1101
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:48,079
all easy to adopt. We just have to make sure,
1102
01:16:48,079 --> 01:16:50,500
which has been our thing from the very beginning, we
1103
01:16:50,500 --> 01:16:53,020
have to make sure that the app gets a cut.
1104
01:16:53,340 --> 01:17:00,399
Yeah. That is the way to success. You have to,
1105
01:17:00,399 --> 01:17:03,109
if you don't, if you, if, if there, if another
1106
01:17:03,109 --> 01:17:06,359
system crops up where only the creator and, and the
1107
01:17:06,359 --> 01:17:09,609
hosting companies get paid and the advertise or the, you
1108
01:17:09,609 --> 01:17:13,770
know, the, the advertisers, uh, advertising agencies, if, if only
1109
01:17:13,770 --> 01:17:17,439
those people get paid again, well, then it's a failure.
1110
01:17:18,930 --> 01:17:21,579
And Daniel J. Lewis, don't tell me not to use
1111
01:17:21,579 --> 01:17:25,369
the word donate. That's not true. I've been using that
1112
01:17:25,369 --> 01:17:28,800
for 19 years on no agenda. We say donate. So
1113
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:31,409
don't tell me that we need to stop using that
1114
01:17:31,409 --> 01:17:37,600
word. Um, I think it's, there's a, there's a couple
1115
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:39,399
of things, uh, that I want to talk to. I
1116
01:17:39,399 --> 01:17:41,640
want to, we probably want to talk about this next
1117
01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:43,189
week and I want to cover it. Like I, I
1118
01:17:43,189 --> 01:17:45,600
was going to talk about it today, but I think
1119
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:47,899
I want to talk about it next week because I
1120
01:17:47,899 --> 01:17:51,430
need time. I want to throw together some rough ideas
1121
01:17:51,430 --> 01:17:56,720
first. Um, yeah. Alberto from RSS.com reached out to me
1122
01:17:56,720 --> 01:18:02,619
about a... About publishing a, adding a public, a new
1123
01:18:02,619 --> 01:18:07,359
public data set to the, to the index. Interesting. With
1124
01:18:07,359 --> 01:18:14,069
all the location tags that we have. And so... What
1125
01:18:14,069 --> 01:18:19,010
he, what he's, what his thought is. Is that if
1126
01:18:19,010 --> 01:18:21,789
we have a public data set of all the location
1127
01:18:21,789 --> 01:18:24,859
tags that we could build an Atlas or some other
1128
01:18:24,859 --> 01:18:28,770
tool like the same way that that was done for
1129
01:18:28,770 --> 01:18:37,289
PodRoll. So basically a huge discovery mechanism based on that
1130
01:18:37,289 --> 01:18:42,309
big, that data set. For geolocation in apps. For geolocation,
1131
01:18:42,309 --> 01:18:45,920
yeah, for like where... Because he was giving examples. I
1132
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:47,829
haven't really even looked at that data in a long
1133
01:18:47,829 --> 01:18:52,399
time. He was giving examples of some really interesting location
1134
01:18:52,399 --> 01:18:55,659
tags that he's finding in podcasts. Well, they have in
1135
01:18:55,659 --> 01:19:00,300
RSS.com in their publish interface, the publish dashboard, they give
1136
01:19:00,300 --> 01:19:05,409
you two location tag options. You can use both. What
1137
01:19:05,409 --> 01:19:09,869
is this about and where is this recorded? yes that's
1138
01:19:09,869 --> 01:19:12,640
great i love that and some of the things that
1139
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:14,909
he was uh mentioning in his note to me were
1140
01:19:14,909 --> 01:19:18,420
really cool you know like some uh if i remember
1141
01:19:18,420 --> 01:19:21,350
right it's like a church in the side of a
1142
01:19:21,350 --> 01:19:24,600
mountain in italy or something like it was really neat
1143
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:27,270
i mean and so i think we can use I
1144
01:19:27,270 --> 01:19:29,739
think he's right. We need to make this more easily
1145
01:19:29,739 --> 01:19:32,779
accessible to people. So I'm, I'm game to do this
1146
01:19:32,779 --> 01:19:35,369
and I want, I want to get a rough data
1147
01:19:35,369 --> 01:19:39,350
set up first next week. Uh, and I'll, I'll, uh,
1148
01:19:39,350 --> 01:19:42,140
have a location for it on the show next week.
1149
01:19:42,140 --> 01:19:45,449
And then If other people have ideas about, then once
1150
01:19:45,449 --> 01:19:47,880
people see it, they could give feedback on how they
1151
01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:50,279
would change, you know, if it needs changes or whatever.
1152
01:19:50,300 --> 01:19:52,500
That's a good idea. It's also good for people who
1153
01:19:52,500 --> 01:19:58,039
want to start a podcast. Where is something missing? Yeah,
1154
01:19:58,039 --> 01:19:59,479
yeah, exactly.
1155
01:20:00,029 --> 01:20:03,319
Yeah, kind of like the way they do with categories.
1156
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:06,140
It's like, what is a niche category? Yeah, yeah. And
1157
01:20:06,140 --> 01:20:09,750
I'm all about hyper-local. I mean, that's still the way
1158
01:20:09,750 --> 01:20:14,149
to go. Hyper-local podcasting is dynamite. Lots of people are
1159
01:20:14,149 --> 01:20:16,529
doing it. They have a lot of fun. They're not
1160
01:20:16,529 --> 01:20:19,760
doing it for money necessarily, but they are often supported
1161
01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:26,050
by their local community. And we have the North Idaho,
1162
01:20:26,050 --> 01:20:30,100
North ID podcast, N-O-I-D, I can't remember the name of
1163
01:20:30,100 --> 01:20:33,079
it. They're kind of doing a local no agenda for
1164
01:20:33,079 --> 01:20:36,510
the Idaho, for their area of Idaho. And it's super
1165
01:20:36,510 --> 01:20:40,899
popular. Yeah, this is where you can still have a
1166
01:20:40,899 --> 01:20:45,659
lot of success. Where everything, the whole podcast industrial complex
1167
01:20:45,659 --> 01:20:50,779
pushes everybody towards volume. Gotta have more volume. Grow your
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01:20:50,779 --> 01:20:58,930
show. Grow your show. R.I.P. Todd. Yeah. And then the
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01:20:58,930 --> 01:21:03,979
other thing was... The podcast contact tag. I'm high on
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01:21:03,979 --> 01:21:07,340
this thing. I still think it's a good idea. Yeah.
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01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:12,399
I do too. Can we, can somebody, Daniel, Daniel, you're
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01:21:12,399 --> 01:21:18,800
busy. Can somebody write this up as a PR? I
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01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:22,739
think he already did a lot of this work with...
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01:21:23,420 --> 01:21:29,119
with uh san filipo yeah he did but um I
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01:21:29,119 --> 01:21:31,260
would like to have it as a pull request. Yeah,
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01:21:31,260 --> 01:21:34,279
but don't distract the child from the good work he's
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01:21:34,279 --> 01:21:39,260
already doing. He's working on the splits with Stripe. That's
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01:21:39,260 --> 01:21:41,390
why I said he's busy. But you put it out
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01:21:41,390 --> 01:21:47,680
there. Okay. Daniel, when you're done with the Stripe thing,
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01:21:47,680 --> 01:21:51,739
then do that. Or if somebody else wants to do
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01:21:51,739 --> 01:21:56,340
it, somebody else can do it. But don't get distracted.
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01:21:57,140 --> 01:21:59,859
Yeah, please don't. Squirrel, I'm going to run over here.
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01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:01,840
I think it's a great idea, and I think it
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01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:04,989
needs to move forward. I'm with you on that. I'm
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01:22:04,989 --> 01:22:08,149
with you. i'm with you big time what is the
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01:22:08,149 --> 01:22:12,600
podcast contact tag again that's just all the different ways
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01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:16,720
that you can uh contact the podcaster so or the
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01:22:16,720 --> 01:22:21,399
show in in question yes So, uh, you know, it's,
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01:22:21,399 --> 01:22:22,770
let me see if I've got, maybe I have a
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01:22:22,770 --> 01:22:25,539
link to it. Let me see. Copy. Yes, I do.
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01:22:25,539 --> 01:22:30,479
Here we go. Here you go, Eric. In the boardroom,
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01:22:30,479 --> 01:22:32,550
uh, right there. There's, that will tell you everything you
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01:22:32,550 --> 01:22:36,220
need to know. Nice. Uh, yeah. So I think that's,
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01:22:36,220 --> 01:22:42,340
uh, I think those two things probably are important. Um,
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01:22:42,340 --> 01:22:46,399
I want. Probably again, probably something again for next week
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01:22:46,399 --> 01:22:49,060
would be the podcast image tag. I want to have
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01:22:49,060 --> 01:22:54,920
an idea for using that. For custom app icon delivery?
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01:22:55,119 --> 01:22:56,970
I mean, just have your app resize it on the
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01:22:56,970 --> 01:23:02,630
fly. Yeah, but this is an example of a method
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01:23:02,630 --> 01:23:05,939
of using it, yeah. but uh well we can talk
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01:23:05,939 --> 01:23:07,449
about this next week i know we're running low on
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01:23:07,449 --> 01:23:10,670
time well let us thank some people for supporting the
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01:23:10,670 --> 01:23:13,529
podcast index and the entire project that it is we're
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01:23:13,529 --> 01:23:17,079
repurposing machines now that's what it's come down to yeah
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01:23:17,079 --> 01:23:21,050
uh but we we really appreciate everybody who supports us
1206
01:23:21,050 --> 01:23:25,180
value for value um We've got a donate button. Oh,
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01:23:25,180 --> 01:23:28,640
my God. We're not a nonprofit. We've got a donate
1208
01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:32,149
button at the bottom of our page, podcastindex.org. You are
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01:23:32,149 --> 01:23:35,949
supporting the lifeblood of Podcast Index. Adam and Dave get
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01:23:35,949 --> 01:23:38,960
none of this. We put it into... kitty and it
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01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:41,600
supports all of the uh all of the machines and
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01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:44,380
everything that is running to keep this going with some
1213
01:23:44,380 --> 01:23:46,869
room to spare so we appreciate it as you continue
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01:23:46,869 --> 01:23:50,859
to support every single dollar makes a difference even five
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01:23:50,859 --> 01:23:53,800
dollars buys us one of our little mini servers for
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01:23:53,800 --> 01:23:56,619
a month so we appreciate all of you and i
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01:23:56,619 --> 01:24:01,119
unfortunately i have no way of Looking at anything past
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01:24:01,119 --> 01:24:08,420
one week ago, On helipad. Why? Because my channel's closed.
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01:24:10,119 --> 01:24:12,970
Two weeks ago, I'm sorry. Two weeks ago. Yeah, this
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01:24:12,970 --> 01:24:14,840
thing sucks. But it still should be in the helipad.
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01:24:15,260 --> 01:24:18,729
Yeah. What thing sucks? Start nine. No, it'd be closed
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01:24:18,729 --> 01:24:20,819
two weeks ago. So I only have... Oh, I see.
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01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:26,750
The last... I have a True Fans four sats. So
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01:24:26,750 --> 01:24:31,479
that was a streaming payment. For episode 266, and I
1225
01:24:31,479 --> 01:24:35,159
don't have anything else, then it's two weeks ago. So
1226
01:24:35,159 --> 01:24:39,579
you probably have more accurate information than I have. Uh,
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01:24:39,579 --> 01:24:42,760
well, let me do, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not
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01:24:42,760 --> 01:24:44,699
sure I'm going to have much more accurate information than
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01:24:44,699 --> 01:24:49,109
you do. I've got, uh, I, I extracted this, I
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01:24:49,109 --> 01:24:55,739
extracted the Albie hub data. And it was like, there's
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01:24:55,739 --> 01:25:01,420
nothing there. Everyone's given up on us. I guess. Those
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01:25:01,420 --> 01:25:09,760
guys. Well, ComicShareBlogger is the last of the Mohicans. DCGirl
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01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:13,510
said that she sent us a comment, and I can't
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01:25:13,510 --> 01:25:16,479
find it. I'm going to have to get her to
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01:25:16,479 --> 01:25:20,840
resend it. No. uh we see we got some paypals
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01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:24,510
we got a bunch of them actually chris bernardic five
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01:25:24,510 --> 01:25:28,710
bucks thank you Dreb Scott, $15. Thank you, Dreb. Michael
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01:25:28,710 --> 01:25:38,760
Kemmerer, $5.33. Charles Hicks, $5. Um... Let's see, is this
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01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:43,720
a one-off? No, it's a... uh oh paul de bruin
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01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:46,539
yeah this is a one-off uh ten dollars a great
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01:25:46,539 --> 01:25:48,819
job you were doing he says thank you paul well
1242
01:25:48,819 --> 01:25:51,600
thank you paul cameron rose 25 bucks thank you cam
1243
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:56,909
nice Uh, let's see. This is the... oh this is
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01:25:56,909 --> 01:26:01,630
from ralph uh ralpha step 50 bucks thank you ralph
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01:26:01,630 --> 01:26:05,289
uh martin lindascope one dollar thank you martin uh pod
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01:26:05,289 --> 01:26:09,159
page brendan mulligan and pod page 25 bucks thank you
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01:26:09,159 --> 01:26:14,520
brendan uh joseph maraca five bucks uh thank you uh
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01:26:14,520 --> 01:26:17,520
oh look what we got look what we got here
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01:26:17,520 --> 01:26:23,960
uh oh it's a one-off from blueberry a hundred dollars
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01:26:23,960 --> 01:26:27,000
nice i'll give you a baller for that shot collar
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01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:30,720
20 inch blades on the impala nice thank you boys
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01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:34,079
and girls blueberry he says from uh from the guys
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01:26:34,079 --> 01:26:38,369
and gals at blueberry not fringe anymore go podcasting not
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01:26:38,369 --> 01:26:42,970
fringe where is my go podcasting where did that thing
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01:26:42,970 --> 01:26:50,939
go That's interesting. let's see we got you lost your
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01:26:50,939 --> 01:26:56,979
go pocket I just got it Mitchell Downey, 50 bucks
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01:26:56,979 --> 01:27:03,449
Thank you Mitch Christopher Harbark, 10 bucks A double From
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01:27:03,449 --> 01:27:09,779
Mitch, 10 bucks Damon Kasajak, 15 We got a one-off
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01:27:09,779 --> 01:27:13,729
Another one-off I don't know how to pronounce His name,
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01:27:13,729 --> 01:27:20,760
10 dollars from rare rare is i own petrescu it's
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01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:23,739
r a r a r e s dash i o
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01:27:23,739 --> 01:27:27,979
a n thank you yes thank you very much uh
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01:27:27,979 --> 01:27:32,529
terry keller five dollars and i'm sorry for messing your
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01:27:32,529 --> 01:27:38,199
name up uh Silicon Florist, $10. Thank you. Christopher Cowan,
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01:27:38,199 --> 01:27:43,699
$5. Paul Salzman, $22.22. As always, Darry J. Visker. Darry
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01:27:43,699 --> 01:27:51,039
J. Visker, the best name in podcasting, $21. Unol Campolot,
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01:27:51,039 --> 01:27:57,850
$5. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate that. uh jeremy girds
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01:27:57,850 --> 01:28:01,109
five dollars and that's it and that's our that's our
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01:28:01,109 --> 01:28:05,300
paypals and and the the proof is always in the
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01:28:05,300 --> 01:28:08,329
pudding you know if i look at op3.dev i'm gonna
1271
01:28:08,329 --> 01:28:12,739
look at how many people actually apparently download this show
1272
01:28:12,739 --> 01:28:18,840
i wouldn't say that they uh podcasting 2.0 let's see
1273
01:28:18,840 --> 01:28:23,800
what op3 says Uh, we don't even show up on
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01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:28,880
the list anymore. we don't here we go we're page
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01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:33,390
four okay we suck let me see here's an example
1276
01:28:33,390 --> 01:28:36,520
let me see what we what we have so the
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01:28:36,520 --> 01:28:40,760
last 30 days is a bad example of course because
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01:28:40,760 --> 01:28:43,649
we we're missing two shows we've been gone too long
1279
01:28:43,649 --> 01:28:48,729
let me go back to well that's June 1st. I
1280
01:28:48,729 --> 01:28:51,699
mean, so we have 5,000 downloads in the last 30
1281
01:28:51,699 --> 01:28:56,829
days. You can't even get inserted ads with that amount
1282
01:28:56,829 --> 01:29:01,819
of downloads. Oh, yes. It's weak. It's too weak. Yeah.
1283
01:29:01,979 --> 01:29:06,000
So, well, actually, our downloads in July. Oh, in June.
1284
01:29:06,100 --> 01:29:12,550
Here we go. June... unique audience in june whatever spurlock
1285
01:29:12,550 --> 01:29:18,109
says is is i'll take it as gospel 5721 we're
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01:29:18,109 --> 01:29:20,859
running an entire index off of this with people just
1287
01:29:20,859 --> 01:29:23,800
supporting us with value for value that's my point it's
1288
01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:28,199
amazing yeah no it's not it's it's how it works
1289
01:29:29,100 --> 01:29:32,059
But that's the beauty of it. And we're just yapping.
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01:29:32,199 --> 01:29:37,359
We're just catching up. You know, communities involved and they
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01:29:37,359 --> 01:29:40,529
support us. That's all that it has to be. Now,
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01:29:40,529 --> 01:29:42,690
if we said we're closing it down and we need
1293
01:29:42,690 --> 01:29:45,039
to have money to survive, people would support us or
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01:29:45,039 --> 01:29:48,899
not. yeah or they wouldn't and we wouldn't survive yeah
1295
01:29:48,899 --> 01:29:53,500
it's that simple it's really that simple that's just me
1296
01:29:53,500 --> 01:29:59,979
let me see uh we got a reran so i'm
1297
01:29:59,979 --> 01:29:59,979
i'm
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01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:04,000
I said that I would fix the Albi Hub export
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01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:11,260
thing, and I mostly did. Mm-hmm. Uh, so I got...
1300
01:30:12,810 --> 01:30:17,479
Uh, I got three. I just reran it again. I
1301
01:30:17,479 --> 01:30:19,909
got three out of here, but for some reason I
1302
01:30:19,909 --> 01:30:23,229
can't see the message that I think may be from
1303
01:30:23,229 --> 01:30:26,720
Martin Lindeskog or it might be from Sam. It's on
1304
01:30:26,720 --> 01:30:29,949
true fans. And I don't, don't know what let me
1305
01:30:29,949 --> 01:30:32,529
read the first two i got we got three one
1306
01:30:32,529 --> 01:30:38,859
of them is uh from fountain user 9401873488328 and he
1307
01:30:38,859 --> 01:30:42,659
or she says have some sats before ai steals them
1308
01:30:42,659 --> 01:30:48,079
it's 10 000 sats nice thank you comic strip blogger
1309
01:30:48,899 --> 01:30:51,029
is the delimiter but i want to try to find
1310
01:30:51,029 --> 01:30:53,869
this other one first though it's a true fan so
1311
01:30:53,869 --> 01:30:57,699
if i take this url this boost url from true
1312
01:30:57,699 --> 01:31:02,180
fans yeah and you hit it And if I copy
1313
01:31:02,180 --> 01:31:07,479
it and paste it into a web browser... I was
1314
01:31:07,479 --> 01:31:13,479
thinking that I would see the boost message. But what
1315
01:31:13,479 --> 01:31:21,090
I see is just... Our page on true fans. no
1316
01:31:21,090 --> 01:31:24,770
comment no no boost there i'm gonna try to read
1317
01:31:24,770 --> 01:31:29,250
the message out of the spreadsheet of the database yes
1318
01:31:29,250 --> 01:31:32,489
get it from yeah get it from the table okay
1319
01:31:32,489 --> 01:31:36,010
it says i will continue to stream satoshis do you
1320
01:31:36,010 --> 01:31:38,979
have a snail mail address i would like to send
1321
01:31:38,979 --> 01:31:45,100
you a symbolic silver coin Oh, someday in the cutoff
1322
01:31:45,100 --> 01:31:51,130
morning. uh in the morning may here's another one let
1323
01:31:51,130 --> 01:31:53,300
me try this other one this looks like the same
1324
01:31:53,300 --> 01:31:58,939
message this is fascinating this is great stuff and Payment?
1325
01:31:59,060 --> 01:32:06,779
See, because I hit the payment URL. Nothing. Let me
1326
01:32:06,779 --> 01:32:08,989
place this in the boardroom. Maybe somebody else can figure
1327
01:32:08,989 --> 01:32:14,069
this out. That's the one I'm trying to read. yeah
1328
01:32:14,069 --> 01:32:19,119
oh wait the oh yeah it's martin lindisco he says
1329
01:32:19,119 --> 01:32:22,979
oh okay he just posted it in i'll continue to
1330
01:32:22,979 --> 01:32:24,659
stream satoshis do you have a snail mail address i
1331
01:32:24,659 --> 01:32:27,390
would like to send you a symbolic silver coin someday
1332
01:32:27,390 --> 01:32:29,789
in the future yeah you got to go to the
1333
01:32:29,789 --> 01:32:32,380
comments tab on uh on that page that's where it
1334
01:32:32,380 --> 01:32:34,579
shows up Oh, so you've got to click it and
1335
01:32:34,579 --> 01:32:38,170
then go to the comments. You have a favorite bullion
1336
01:32:38,170 --> 01:32:42,010
coin. Yes, gold. I have an artistic copper coin, not
1337
01:32:42,010 --> 01:32:46,449
legal tender, with the Fibonacci sequence 0-1-1-2-3-5. FYI, I got
1338
01:32:46,449 --> 01:32:50,090
credited to my wallet on TruFans with the unused balance
1339
01:32:50,090 --> 01:32:53,659
from my audio hosting subscription. The amount of Satoshis covered
1340
01:32:53,659 --> 01:32:56,329
this boostergram. Well, I'm giving you a like. I'm giving
1341
01:32:56,329 --> 01:32:58,600
you a like, a little heart. Yeah, I'll do that
1342
01:32:58,600 --> 01:33:01,960
to you. Like. Oh, I got a sign in. Yeah.
1343
01:33:03,399 --> 01:33:08,979
Comic strip blogger. There he is. 23,999 sets. He made,
1344
01:33:08,979 --> 01:33:13,640
he somehow made it happen. Okay. Even through all the
1345
01:33:13,640 --> 01:33:19,819
lightning apocalypse. howdy dave and adam so when adam moved
1346
01:33:19,819 --> 01:33:22,750
to texas before he met tina the keeper aka his
1347
01:33:22,750 --> 01:33:29,100
current wife He had only one friend there, Gene. Coincidentally,
1348
01:33:29,100 --> 01:33:32,529
that Gene just gave me epic interview about how to
1349
01:33:32,529 --> 01:33:35,640
get rich off AI-generated music and tips on how to
1350
01:33:35,640 --> 01:33:39,140
improve it. Watch Gene talking over one hour to me
1351
01:33:39,140 --> 01:33:43,520
on YouTube. Just search for AI Arch Wizard. Yo, CSB,
1352
01:33:43,520 --> 01:33:50,159
Ozempic Taker. Wow. soon to be blind soon pancreatic cancer
1353
01:33:50,159 --> 01:33:55,699
victim thank you comics or blogger we love you know
1354
01:33:55,699 --> 01:33:58,199
i just need him in the we get to do
1355
01:33:58,199 --> 01:34:01,850
this community because then we know it'll take off when
1356
01:34:01,850 --> 01:34:05,439
comics or blogger arrives that's when your community takes off
1357
01:34:05,810 --> 01:34:08,250
you need that guy you need that guy you need
1358
01:34:08,250 --> 01:34:10,979
that guy everybody needs a comic strip blogger you need
1359
01:34:10,979 --> 01:34:13,899
him and there's nothing like the original the og comics
1360
01:34:13,899 --> 01:34:16,539
or blogger the og csb you got to have the
1361
01:34:16,539 --> 01:34:20,560
og csb there's nothing quite like him All right, everybody.
1362
01:34:20,560 --> 01:34:23,159
Board meeting. Board room. Thank you very much for being
1363
01:34:23,159 --> 01:34:25,800
here once again. Sorry we missed two weeks. We should
1364
01:34:25,800 --> 01:34:28,850
be good to go next week. Yeah, I'm good to
1365
01:34:28,850 --> 01:34:31,430
go. End of the month, I'm going back to the
1366
01:34:31,430 --> 01:34:34,840
Netherlands, so I get to meet my granddaughter. I'm taking
1367
01:34:34,840 --> 01:34:36,890
my rig, so we'll just have to figure out the
1368
01:34:36,890 --> 01:34:39,319
times, but I think I can do the board meeting.
1369
01:34:39,800 --> 01:34:41,539
I have a little more time on my hands these
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01:34:41,539 --> 01:34:45,340
days, it turns out. Yeah, you do. Yeah. Well, I'm
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01:34:45,340 --> 01:34:49,800
going to go install a carburetor. You go do that.
1372
01:34:49,840 --> 01:34:52,439
I'll have the beer. All right. Okay, everybody. Hey, everybody.
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01:34:52,560 --> 01:34:55,279
Have a great weekend. Thanks for being here once again
1374
01:34:55,279 --> 01:34:59,979
for the board meeting where everybody's a star. Podcasting 2.0.
1375
01:35:00,060 --> 01:35:11,600
See you next Friday. We'll be right back. Thank you.
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01:35:12,300 --> 01:35:18,159
We'll be right back. cool you you hope you have
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01:35:18,159 --> 01:35:26,229
been listening to podcasting 2.0 visit podcastindex.org for more information
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01:35:26,229 --> 01:35:29,600
go podcasting a-o-k
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