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Ben Rhodes and Yousef Munayyer on the Democratic Party’s transformation on Israel-Palestine

Jul 26, 2026

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Our guests are Ben Rhodes, former deputy national security advisor to Barack Obama, co-host of Pod Save the World, and author of All We Say: A History of the United States in 15 Speeches, and Yousef Munayyer, head of the Palestine/Israel program at the Arab Center, Washington DC.

We discuss the Democratic Party’s rapid transformation on Israel-Palestine.

Topics include:

• What the next phase of Israel debate might be

• The 2028 presidential landscape

• Who should advise the next Democratic president?

• The practical and psychological obstacles to Biden officials admitting the extent of their wrongness on Israel.

• What BDS is achieving

• Is the left too purist when it comes to imperfect allies like AOC?

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