# Mograph Podcast Join Matt Milstead of Mograph.com as he and guests discuss the world of Motion Graphics. With many regular, big-name guests from the industry. Regular topics are anything from Cinema 4D tips & tricks to features & woes. After Effects, Render Engines like Octane, Redshift and Arnold, or even Hardware configurations. We'll even get into industry discussions like clients, contracts, and work efficiency. Join us each week while we catch up on what we've learned and what we're learning. Page: Feed: --- ## [Ep 468: Special Guest Jake Bartlett](https://www.brograph.com/podcast/2026/3/31/ep-468-special-guest-jake-bartlett) _2026-03-31 · Mograph Information_ This week we talk to Jake Bartlett, aka JakeInMotion about his newest After Effects plugin Railcut! [Listen](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51f020fee4b0fad35a9c9e4a/t/69cc5a42010ef666316b212c/1775000154471/Episode+468.mp3) ## [Ep 467: Special Guest Mark Cernosia of Profanity Creative](https://www.brograph.com/podcast/2026/3/24/ep-467-special-guest-mark-cernosia-of-profanity-creative) _2026-03-25 · Mograph Information_ This week we have special guest Mark Cernosia of Profanity Creative on the show. [Listen](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51f020fee4b0fad35a9c9e4a/t/69c33a2dd3c16e79913ac15e/1774402115906/Episode+467.mp3) ## [Ep 466: Special Guest Dave Koss!](https://www.brograph.com/podcast/2026/3/16/ep-466-special-guest-dave-koss) _2026-03-17 · Mograph Information_ This week we welcome back Dave Koss to talk all things Camp Mograph! [Listen](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51f020fee4b0fad35a9c9e4a/t/69b8b190b452333f7277be68/1773711785883/Episode+466.mp3) ## [Ep 465: Special Guest Henry Foster, AKA Toadstorm](https://www.brograph.com/podcast/2026/2/24/ep-465-special-guest-henry-foster-aka-toadstorm) _2026-02-25 · Mograph Information_ This week we welcome Henry Foster, AKA Toadstorm, maker of MOPS + to the show! [Listen](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51f020fee4b0fad35a9c9e4a/t/699e7181a5ff3c01c39618d7/1771991451418/Episode+465.mp3) ## [Ep 464: Special Guest EJ Hassenfratz](https://www.brograph.com/podcast/2026/2/11/ep-464-special-guest-ej-hassenfratz) _2026-02-11 · Mograph Information_ This week we welcome back to the show, fan favorite, EJ Hassenfratz [Listen](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51f020fee4b0fad35a9c9e4a/t/698c79012effff4e26b66440/1770813722350/Episode+464.mp3) ## [Ep 463 Special Guests, Barton Damer, PJ Richardson, and Patrick Coffey!](https://www.brograph.com/podcast/2026/1/27/ep-463-special-guests-barton-damer-pj-richardson-and-patrick-coffey) _2026-01-28 · Mograph Information_ This week's show is HUGE! Three of the top studio owners, Already Been Chewed, Tendril, and Laundry, all in one place! [Listen](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51f020fee4b0fad35a9c9e4a/t/6979738f341b390573a64814/1769567155959/Episode+463.mp3) ## [Ep 462 Matt Swoboda, Founder of Notch!](https://www.brograph.com/podcast/2026/1/21/ep-462-matt-swoboda-founder-of-notch) _2026-01-21 · Mograph Information_ This week we're super excited to welcome Matt Swoboda, Founder of Notch to the show. Matt is based in London, UK and has spent 20+ years working at the forefront of real-time graphics. His career started in games development working at Sony Computer Entertainment and others, working on graphics on Sony consoles from PS2 to PS4. ​​​He then founded & developed Notch, working on tours and live events… [Listen](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51f020fee4b0fad35a9c9e4a/t/6970c7cef2a6355e759d08c1/1768998880391/Episode+462.mp3) ## [Ep 461: Special Guest Jon Jags Nee!](https://www.brograph.com/podcast/2026/1/13/ep-461-special-guest-jon-jags-nee) _2026-01-14 · Mograph Information_ This week we're super excited to welcome back to the show, Jon Jags Nee, and talk about his new book, "How to Eat Like A Grown Up"! [Listen](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51f020fee4b0fad35a9c9e4a/t/6966e386570e5f413832adf7/1768350618913/Episode+461.mp3) ## [Ep 460: Welcome back Dave Koss!](https://www.brograph.com/podcast/2026/1/7/ep-460-welcome-back-dave-koss) _2026-01-07 · Mograph Information_ This week, we welcome back Dave Koss to talk all things Nexus Motion, AI, and Camp Mograph 2026! [Listen](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51f020fee4b0fad35a9c9e4a/t/695e54a4a8403e4a3bef7614/1767789761016/Episode+460.mp3) ## [Ep 459: Special Guests Jonathan Winbush, EJ Hassenfratz, and Chris Schmidt!](https://www.brograph.com/podcast/2025/12/13/ep-459-special-guests-jonathan-winbush-ej-hassenfratz-and-chris-schmidt) _2025-12-13 · Mograph Information_ This week we're excited to bring back, show favorites, Jonathan Winbush, Chris Schmidt, and EJ Hassenfratz! Fresh off their tour of Japan! [Listen](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51f020fee4b0fad35a9c9e4a/t/693d9c0b50331e50f4080ab5/1765645350311/Episode+459.mp3) ## [Stream Torrents & IPTV Instantly (Sponsored)](https://crawlproof.com/a/4GurZgXVFG3m) _2025-12-13 · **Sponsored**_ Search magnet links and stream movies, music, books, and live TV in-browser ## [Ep 458: Special Guest David Mellor](https://www.brograph.com/podcast/2025/12/9/ep-458-special-guest-david-mellor) _2025-12-10 · Mograph Information_ This week we're super excited to talk all thing Mograph with the man himself, David Mellor! [Listen](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51f020fee4b0fad35a9c9e4a/t/6938c14cfd7f224cf9884b6a/1765327208471/Episode+458.mp3) ## [Ep 457: Special Guest Jules Urbach from Otoy!](https://www.brograph.com/podcast/2025/12/1/ep-457-special-guest-jules-urbach-from-otoy) _2025-12-02 · Mograph Information_ This week we're super excited to talk all things Octane Render, Render Foundation, The Roddenberry Archive and so much more with Jules Urbach, CEO of Otoy! [Listen](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51f020fee4b0fad35a9c9e4a/t/692e3ba191121c49c7d659c9/1764637624966/Episode+457.mp3) ## [Ep 456: Special Guest TJ Gonzalez](https://www.brograph.com/podcast/2025/11/4/ep-456-special-guest-tj-gonzalez) _2025-11-05 · Mograph Information_ This week we're super excited to talk to TJ Gonzalez from Dropout TV! [Listen](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51f020fee4b0fad35a9c9e4a/t/690aa0dfa005347373ddd795/1762304246830/Episode+456.mp3) ## [Ep 455: Special Guest Nick Scarcella](https://www.brograph.com/podcast/2025/10/28/ep-455-special-guest-nick-scarcella) _2025-10-28 · Mograph Information_ This week we talk to the amazing Nick Scarcella about all things Houdini and Motion Design! [Listen](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51f020fee4b0fad35a9c9e4a/t/6901555578727832162789cd/1761695084437/Episode+455.mp3) ## [Ep 454: Special Guest Brandon Clements](https://www.brograph.com/podcast/2025/10/21/ep-454-special-guest-brandon-clements) _2025-10-22 · Mograph Information_ This week we talk to super talented Brandon Clements about all things, Blender, Unreal, and MORE! [Listen](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51f020fee4b0fad35a9c9e4a/t/68f84054c5f83205015e860d/1761099888707/Episode+454.mp3) ## [Ep 453: Special Guest Blake Kathryn](https://www.brograph.com/podcast/2025/9/30/ep-453-special-guest-blake-kathryn) _2025-10-01 · Mograph Information_ We're super excited to welcome back to the show, Blake Kathryn. We're going to talk all things 3D and breakdown her recent work on Submerge, Beyond the Render at Artech House. [Listen](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51f020fee4b0fad35a9c9e4a/t/68dc6fc4b7cb344ee7b62123/1759277021132/Episode+453.mp3) ## [Ep 452: Special Guest EJ Hassenfratz](https://www.brograph.com/podcast/2025/9/11/ep-452-special-guest-ej-hassenfratz) _2025-09-11 · Mograph Information_ Ep 452: Special Guest EJ Hassenfratz [Listen](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51f020fee4b0fad35a9c9e4a/t/68c94af36d1a2656c6794424/1758022410195/Episode+452.mp3) ## [Ep 451: Special Guest Patrick Foley AKA Patrick 4D!](https://www.brograph.com/podcast/2025/9/2/ep-451-special-guest-patrick-foley-aka-patrick-4d) _2025-09-02 · Mograph Information_ This week, we welcome back to the show, the digital chef himself, Patrick 4D! [Listen](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51f020fee4b0fad35a9c9e4a/t/68b74f1bf1dccd115aef705f/1756843822954/Episode+451.mp3) ## [Ep 450: Special Guest HaZ Dulull](https://www.brograph.com/podcast/2025/8/26/ep-450-special-guest-haz-dulull) _2025-08-26 · Mograph Information_ This week, we welcome special guest HaZ Dulull from Beyond the Pixels to talk about his new game Astro Burn, and all things game development. [Listen](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51f020fee4b0fad35a9c9e4a/t/68ae0e65b92ead048dbbd181/1756237437099/Episode+450.mp3) ## [Ep 449: Special Guest Phil Roberts AKA Raidzer0](https://www.brograph.com/podcast/2025/8/20/ep-449-special-guest-phil-roberts-aka-raidzer0) _2025-08-20 · Mograph Information_ Ep 449: Special Guest Phil Roberts AKA Raidzer0 [Listen](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51f020fee4b0fad35a9c9e4a/t/68a5b45186fa8b27272508d3/1755690086643/Episode+449.mp3) ## [Ultra-Quiet Business Mini (Sponsored)](https://crawlproof.com/a/gfgAcAkN3nFG) _2025-08-20 · **Sponsored**_ Compact business mini, ultra-quiet for focused work. ## [Ep 448: Special Guest Christoper Rutledge](https://www.brograph.com/podcast/2025/8/5/ep-448-special-guest-christoper-rutledge) _2025-08-06 · Mograph Information_ Ep 448: Special Guest Christopher Rutledge [Listen](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51f020fee4b0fad35a9c9e4a/t/6892bfab8210ea7004360849/1754447808383/Episode+448.mp3) ## [Ep 447: Special Guest Dave Koss!?!?](https://www.brograph.com/podcast/2025/7/29/ep-447-dave-koss-is-back-this-week-only-) _2025-07-29 · Mograph Information_ Ep 447: Special Guest Dave Koss!?!? [Listen](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51f020fee4b0fad35a9c9e4a/t/68891386b0b53448eca66368/1753813916546/Episode+447.mp3) ## [Ep 446: Special Guest Jay Allen - Secret Powers](https://www.brograph.com/podcast/2025/7/23/ep-446-special-guest-jay-allen-secret-powers) _2025-07-23 · Mograph Information_ Ep 446: Special Guest Jay Allen - Secret Powers [Listen](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51f020fee4b0fad35a9c9e4a/t/6880cc158474046849215df3/1753271339271/Episode+446.mp3) ## [Ep 445: Special Guest Jake Bartlett](https://www.brograph.com/podcast/2025/7/15/ep-445-special-guest-jake-bartlett) _2025-07-15 · Mograph Information_ Ep 445: Special Guest Jake Bartlett [Listen](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51f020fee4b0fad35a9c9e4a/t/6876a3628a7f3f6b41d68276/1752605604021/Episode+445.mp3) ## [Ep 444: Special Guest Casey Hupke](https://www.brograph.com/podcast/2025/7/9/ep-444-special-guest-casey-hupke) _2025-07-09 · Mograph Information_ Episode 444: Industry News, Client Stories, and Creative Recommendations Welcome to Episode 444! In this laid-back but insightful chat, we cover everything from the latest industry buzz to real-world client experiences and our favorite creative inspirations. Chapters: 00:00 – Intro & Catch-up A relaxed opening with greetings, personal updates, and setting the tone for the show. 06:21 – Industry… [Listen](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51f020fee4b0fad35a9c9e4a/t/686e55fc3befda0a77c3c47c/1752061453440/Episode+444.mp3) ## [Ep 443: Special Guest Barton Damer - Already Been Chewed](https://www.brograph.com/podcast/2025/7/2/ep-443-special-guest-barton-damer-already-been-chewed) _2025-07-02 · Mograph Information_ Ep 443: Special Guest Barton Damer - Already Been Chewed [Listen](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51f020fee4b0fad35a9c9e4a/t/68651c932124041772451187/1751457020167/Episode+443.mp3) ## [Ep 442: Special Guest Byron Stanford](https://www.brograph.com/podcast/2025/6/25/ep-442-special-guest-byron-stanford) _2025-06-25 · Mograph Information_ Ep 442: Special Guest Byron Stanford [Listen](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51f020fee4b0fad35a9c9e4a/t/685be4b232230e464abe1d10/1750852809165/Episode+442.mp3) ## [Ep 441: Special Guest Matt Silverman](https://www.brograph.com/podcast/2025/6/18/ep-441-special-guest-matt-silverman) _2025-06-18 · Mograph Information_ Ep 441: Special Guest Matt Silverman [Listen](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51f020fee4b0fad35a9c9e4a/t/6852ac41d70d9d7bba4e24d9/1750248535259/Episode+441.mp3) ## [Ep 440: Special Guest Sunny Osahn](https://www.brograph.com/podcast/2025/6/10/ep-440-special-guest-sunny-osahn) _2025-06-11 · Mograph Information_ Ep 440: Speical Guest Sunny Osahn [Listen](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51f020fee4b0fad35a9c9e4a/t/6849086954b05f7d610d5c4b/1749616762428/Episode+440.mp3) ## [Ep 439: Special Guest Jonathan Winbush](https://www.brograph.com/podcast/2025/6/4/ep-439-special-guest-jonathan-winbush) _2025-06-04 · Mograph Information_ Ep 439: Special Guest Jonathan Winbush [Listen](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51f020fee4b0fad35a9c9e4a/t/68403bca7ab2eb2917b56f05/1749040095726/Episode+439.mp3) ## [Marketplace for AI-Powered Professionals (Sponsored)](https://crawlproof.com/a/VRXkxqKc4YHj) _2025-06-04 · **Sponsored**_ Find professionals who use ChatGPT, Copilot, and Claude to deliver work faster. ## [Ep 438: Special Guest Cameron Butterfield](https://www.brograph.com/podcast/2025/5/27/ep-438-special-guest-cameron-butterfield) _2025-05-27 · Mograph Information_ Ep 438: Special Guest Cameron Butterfield [Listen](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51f020fee4b0fad35a9c9e4a/t/6836312dd83eed7fbd9e945a/1748382013785/Episode+438.mp3) ## [Ep 437: Special Guest Elijah Sheffield](https://www.brograph.com/podcast/2025/5/20/ep-437-special-guest-elijah-sheffield) _2025-05-20 · Mograph Information_ Ep 437: Special Guest Elijah Sheffield [Listen](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51f020fee4b0fad35a9c9e4a/t/682cfac9c3b45459c3fbdca3/1747778270026/Episode+437.mp3) ## [Ep 436: Special Guest Alex Parker](https://www.brograph.com/podcast/2025/5/14/ep-436-special-guest-alex-parker) _2025-05-14 · Mograph Information_ Ep 436: Special Guest Alex Parker! [Listen](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51f020fee4b0fad35a9c9e4a/t/682489b6e538f3610af1510a/1747225080483/Episode+436.mp3) ## [Ep 435: Special Guest Kyle Hamrick](https://www.brograph.com/podcast/2025/4/29/ep-435-special-guest-kyle-hamrick) _2025-04-29 · Mograph Information_ Ep: 435 Special Guest Kyle Hamrick [Listen](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51f020fee4b0fad35a9c9e4a/t/68111adb3aba8b16a174a625/1745951471168/Episode+435.mp3) ## [Ep 434: Special Guest Ryan Summers](https://www.brograph.com/podcast/2025/4/23/ep-434-special-guest-ryan-summers) _2025-04-23 · Mograph Information_ Episode 434: Special Guest Ryan Summers [Listen](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51f020fee4b0fad35a9c9e4a/t/6808fcb7bf7d773e1d2eda8d/1745419580918/Episode+434.mp3) ## [Ep 433: April Fools Day Episode with Nick DenBoer](https://www.brograph.com/podcast/2025/4/12/ep-433-april-fools-day-episode-with-nick-denboer) _2025-04-12 · Mograph Information_ Join Matt Milstead and Special Guest Nick DenBoer, AKA Smearballs, and we talk all things Motion Graphics, Cinema 4D, Motion Capture and more. [Listen](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51f020fee4b0fad35a9c9e4a/t/67faa4be374c5c3481fe8e62/1744479440202/Episode+433.mp3) ## [Ep 432: Special Guests Kaci Smith and Jennie Davis from Mothers of Mograph](https://www.brograph.com/podcast/2025/3/27/ep-432-special-guests-kaci-smith-and-jennie-davis-from-mothers-of-mograph) _2025-03-27 · Mograph Information_ Episode 432: Special Guests Kaci Smith and Jennie Davis from Mothers of Mograph [Listen](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51f020fee4b0fad35a9c9e4a/t/67e551b3748f091c1e83c329/1743081926164/Episode+432.mp3) ## [EP 431: Special Guest Kyle Krueger from Yond Studio](https://www.brograph.com/podcast/2025/3/12/ep-431-special-guest-kyle-krueger-from-yond-studio) _2025-03-12 · Mograph Information_ EP 431: Special Guest Kyle Krueger from Yond Studio Mograph.com [Listen](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51f020fee4b0fad35a9c9e4a/t/67d1ef9d28a7165cf593c8d9/1741811631379/Episode+431.mp3) ## [EP 430: Special Guest PJ Richardson from Laundry](https://www.brograph.com/podcast/2025/3/5/ep-430-special-guest-pj-richardson-from-laundry) _2025-03-05 · Mograph Information_ Come join us, as we talk to the incredible PJ Richardson from Laundry Studios about all things Cinema 4D, After Effects, Unreal Engine and more! [Listen](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51f020fee4b0fad35a9c9e4a/t/67c9ab6d1b515f6786f23756/1741269891393/Episode_430.mp3) ## [LIVE: Ep 429: Special Guest Michael Steinberg](https://www.brograph.com/podcast/2025/2/26/live-ep-429-special-guest-michael-steinberg) _2025-02-26 · Mograph Information_ LIVE: Ep 429: Special Guest Michael Steinberg Mograph.com [Listen](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51f020fee4b0fad35a9c9e4a/t/67bf2e6df2e5f326dc4dfecc/1740582529243/Episode_429.mp3) ## [LIVE: Ep 428: Special Guest Konstantin Eydelman](https://www.brograph.com/podcast/2025/2/19/live-ep-428-special-guest-konstantin-eydelman) _2025-02-19 · Mograph Information_ Come join us, as we talk to the super talented Konstantin Eydelman about all things Cinema 4D, After Effects, Unreal Engine and more! [Listen](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51f020fee4b0fad35a9c9e4a/t/67b5f2f8da56213311485837/1739977495784/LIVE_+Ep+428_+Special+Guest+Konstantin+Eydelman.mp3) ## [Ep 427: Special Guest Jonathan Winbush](https://www.brograph.com/podcast/2025/2/13/ep-427-special-guest-jonathan-winbush) _2025-02-13 · Mograph Information_ Ep 427: Special Guest Jonathan Winbush [Listen](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51f020fee4b0fad35a9c9e4a/t/67acc9b30fa85f7b596e5a83/1739377098993/Episode+427.mp3) ## [Ep 426: Special Guest EJ Hassenfratz.](https://www.brograph.com/podcast/2025/2/12/ep-426-special-guest-ej-hassenfratz) _2025-02-12 · Mograph Information_ Weekly Podcast with this week's guest EJ Hassefratz [Listen](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51f020fee4b0fad35a9c9e4a/t/67acc90693ebba40a8b23f00/1739376919496/Episode+426.mp3) ## [Ep 425: Holiday Show 2024 w/ David Ariew](https://www.brograph.com/podcast/2024/12/23/ep-425-holiday-show-2024-w-david-ariew) _2024-12-23 · Dave Koss_ Our classic Mograph Holiday with David Ariew [Listen](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51f020fee4b0fad35a9c9e4a/t/6769a6a9480eb00e3ac30d91/1734977222765/Episode_426.mp3) ## [Ep 424: Headline Show](https://www.brograph.com/podcast/2024/12/11/ep-424-headline-show) _2024-12-11 · Dave Koss_ Dave and Matt talk the latest updates in Octane Render, Cinema 4D, and ZBrush. They critique the new Coca-Cola Ai Ad, discuss node-based AI animation, and share plans for future shows. [Listen](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51f020fee4b0fad35a9c9e4a/t/6759ca7c8d7f1d3dafd93815/1733937805289/Episode_424.mp3) ## [Ep 423: María Guðjohnsen](https://www.brograph.com/podcast/2024/11/22/ep-423-mara-gujohnsen) _2024-11-22 · Dave Koss_ María Guðjohnsen joins us LIVE to chat about her client work, personal work, and Iceland. [Listen](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51f020fee4b0fad35a9c9e4a/t/6740f925eefa1a39ca215610/1732311356870/Episode_423.mp3) ## [Ep 422: Winbush Here!](https://www.brograph.com/podcast/2024/11/7/live-ep-422-winbush-here) _2024-11-08 · Dave Koss_ Take a moment to breathe... Dave and Matt welcome @JonathanWinbush to explore the latest Octane Render and Unreal Engine, the rise of Cinema 4D and Blender among freelancers/studios, and the balance between freelancing and studio work. They also discuss mental health, AI's role in design, and dynamics and liquid effects advancements. [Listen](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51f020fee4b0fad35a9c9e4a/t/672d6bef182c596d7931e060/1731030015545/Episode_422.mp3) ## [Ep 421: Dave & Matt // Halloween Show](https://www.brograph.com/podcast/2024/10/31/ep-421-dave-amp-matt-halloween-show) _2024-10-31 · Dave Koss_ David Ariew joins us for some Halloween shenanigans. We talk about what he's been up to this year, FAB.com, and play with Vizcom.ai live on the air for some hilarious results. Happy Halloween! [Listen](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51f020fee4b0fad35a9c9e4a/t/6723e1d20bde8404a88d8e47/1730404844664/Episode_421.mp3) ## [Ep 420: Dave & Matt // Headline Show](https://www.brograph.com/podcast/2024/10/25/ep-420-dave-amp-matt-headline-show) _2024-10-25 · Dave Koss_ Dave is sick, but the show must go on, but it's short. We chat about new AI features in Adobe programs, personal experiences with Cinema 4D’s updates, Ben Marriott's new course, and the upcoming anniversary party at Already Been Chewed. [Listen](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51f020fee4b0fad35a9c9e4a/t/671bcaee531b957facc2c857/1729874677713/Episode_420.mp3) ## [LIVE: Ep 419: Dave & Matt // Headline Show](https://www.brograph.com/podcast/2024/10/10/live-ep-419-dave-amp-matt-headline-show) _2024-10-10 · Dave Koss_ Kicking off the Fall Season with a headline show at our new Day/Time. [Listen](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51f020fee4b0fad35a9c9e4a/t/67083e6a6f715e627e519441/1728593528479/Episode_419.mp3)