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Find The Outside

A lively, off-the-cuff conversation hosted by Tim Merry on large-scale systems change and equity. This podcast brings the fresh air necessary to organize movements, organizations, and collaborators forward for progress, surfacing new mindsets for greater participation and shared impact. In this podcast, we share our greatest light-bulb moments as we advance our understanding of this work. We do it live, and invite you in. Welcome! As Tim says in the first episode: reflection is too important to…

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8.20: The Power of Gathering In Person

What does it take to lead, collaborate and create change when the systems around us feel increasingly stretched? Tim Merry sits down with longtime friend and colleague Sera Thompson to explore what this moment is asking of leaders, facilitators and changemakers. They talk about burnout, polarization and the fraying of our institutions - but also about the power of relationships, collective wisdom…

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8.19: The Art of Showing Up

This episode begins before the intro even rolls. Tim sits down with longtime friend, community leader, and facilitator Dennis Adams for a conversation that starts with an unforgettable story: when Dennis' teenage son told him they weren't spending enough time together, Dennis gave him something extraordinary - his own birthday. That simple act of love became the foundation for a decade-long…

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8.18: Conversations That Matter

What does it mean to bring people together when the challenges we face feel bigger than ever? In this episode, Tim Merry and Gabrielle Donnelly explore the return of Art of Hosting to Nova Scotia and why participatory leadership feels especially important in this moment. They reflect on creating conversations that matter, making these practices more accessible and inclusive, and cultivating the…

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8.17: Doors Open, Walls Breathing, Future Uncertain

In this final episode together, Tuesday and Tim reflect on endings, beginnings, and the uncertainty that comes with both. Looking back on years of conversations about leadership, transformation, and the human experience, they explore what it means to stay open when the future is unclear. From hosting difficult conversations to navigating personal transitions, they discuss the difference between…

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8.16: Finding the Outside of What's Next

In this penultimate episode of Find the Outside , Tim and Tuesday reflect on what comes next as they step into new seasons of work, leadership, and life. Together, they explore themes of uncertainty, spiritual maturity, systems change, personal transformation, vocation, mentorship, and the courage to meet reality with honesty and humanity. Tuesday shares her vision for work rooted more deeply in…

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8.15: Looking Back on 19 Years of Systems Change

As Tuesday transitions out of The Outside, she and Tim take a long look back at nearly two decades of working together - from meeting at an Art of Hosting training in Colorado to leading large-scale systems change work around the world. In this deeply reflective conversation, they unpack the original hypotheses behind The Outside: Could participatory leadership and equity genuinely transform…

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8.14: Beyond the Crossroads - A Partnership Evolves

In this deeply personal episode, Tim and Tuesday open up about a major transition: Tuesday’s decision to step away from The Outside after nearly two decades of partnership. What unfolds is an honest, emotional, and thoughtful conversation about what it means to listen for “what’s next” - even when it’s unclear, inconvenient, or uncomfortable. Together, they explore the tension between clarity and…

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8.13: On the Same Frequency: Heritage, Humanity, and the Power of Listening with Maria Bakari

What if the past isn’t behind us - but still speaking, through stories, spaces, and even the buildings around us? In this rich and reflective conversation, Tim sits down with facilitator, counselor, and radio host Maria Bakari to explore the deep connections between people, place, and participation. From the ancient island of Rhodes to European youth work and civic engagement initiatives, Maria…

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8.12: Sh*t’s Weird - Clarity, Doubt, and Doing the Next Right Thing

In a world that feels increasingly unpredictable, how do we know what’s ours to do? In this episode, Tim and Tues reflect on recent conversations with Zaid Hassan and Sommer Sibilly-Brown - two leaders taking bold, values-driven action in complex times. Together, they explore the tension between clarity and doubt, the limits of strategy in a rapidly changing world, and why action - not perfection…

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8.11: Outside Conversations with Daniela Papi-Thornton - Why Systems Work Needs the Sacred

In this thought-provoking cross-post conversation, Tuesday sits down with Daniela Papi-Thornton to explore what happens when systems change, leadership, and the sacred feminine collide. Together, they question traditional leadership models that privilege logic over intuition and control over connection - and examine why personal transformation is inseparable from the systemic change our world is…

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