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I had some cards printed up.

These are unlikely to change any minds, but they will defintely shorten some incredibly tedious conversations at the bar.

Here's a PDF if you'd like some of your own.

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hah, are these gonna live at the bar for whoever?
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"My Do Not Talk To Me About AI card has people asking me a lot of questions already answered by my card"
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Top notch, added to my NoToAI.org page
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  i love this page!
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I hope these work for you but you and I both likely fear that they will somehow prompt an entirely new, meta level of conversation that we extremely (where’s the trepanning button) do not want. I eagerly (please, please oh my god) await your report that I am dead wrong and will then place a bulk order. Please be right. Thank you.
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  1. Show them the card
  2. (if necessary) Say "Don't make me tap the card
  3. (if necessary) Tap the card
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    And if that doesn't work, hand them this card:(Originally intended as bumper sticker, sorry about form factor.)
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Perfect!
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really great. Thank you.
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I wish I could mind dump this whole thing onto a person having a phone conversation with me. Every time lately that I’m talking to a customer service person and mention how “I get it, software’s weird, I work in software” they start going on a tangent about their AI agents 😱
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these look great! I’ll def print some up and hand them out around our neighborhood.
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please someone do the conference badge ribbon version of this
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  oh no now do I have to order it??
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yes but local LLMs on your own computer is not as bad. the models were already trained so the worst possible crime you commit is adding a +1 on that hugging face download counter.
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  "Fuck you", he explained.
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    i don't understand what your problem is with it i wasnt hostile towards you and you are just being mean for no reason
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      I AM TRYING TO EAT BREAKFAST
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        have a good meal then
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      I think you are woefully under familiar with jwz, and also, 'they already did the theft makes it ok' is a hell of a take.
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      i don't see what's so surprising to you. he posted cards he created that literally say not to talk to him about it, then posted about those cards, and you insist on sliding into his replies to demand a conversation. now you're saying he's being mean for no reason? the reason is clear as anybody could ask for. leave him alone about it
      
      if you honestly were confident with it being okay for you to use local models you wouldn't insist on arguing with people about it for validation or whatever motivates you to disregard basic boundary setting
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  "my slop is good because it's a local model" does not change the fact that all you're doing is generating slop, hth
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    depends what you use it for. if someone is okay with using it for personal use like roleplay on their own hardware and no one else sees it, why do you care that someone generated slop on their computer?
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      because you're generating slop
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        okay? and if i play a shitty game that was made in 5 minutes by a human that you dont like should you judge that i like it? its low quality slop to you and its good enough to me
        
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        you're arguing directly for the proliferation of LLM garbage by saying "what if it was human made", i guess this is what local models do to you, qed
        
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        not exactly, its about individual use of software. you have the right to use software on your own computer. besides, ai can be used to help with coding like creating simple scripts and saving some time
        
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        slop! slop! slop!
        
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        it is but if it's helpful slop, i dont care
        
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        you're a careless slopist, that isn't news, hope you step on a lego
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  "If you eat roadkill puppy, the puppy was already dead anyway! So it's not as ghoulish, you see!"
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Probably should specify wtf you mean by ai.
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  "Fuck you", he explained.
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  Absolutely. Few would object to the AI that helps detect bank card fraud, or the AI image analysis that helps diagnostic screening, or the AI protein folding that helps develop treatments for disease.
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    Of if they do want to object to these things they've left it a few decades too late.
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      How do people end up here that don’t know who they are posting about? Regardless, 🍿
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    "And also fuck you", he elaborated.
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      I've run an offline llm on my computer. I've programmed response logic for enemies in games and played chess and other games aganst a computer. I've used text and image recognition and benefitted from an image cropping tool guessing where I wanted to crop to.
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        The demand for newer local models means the corporations behind them have to waste datacenter resources training them in the first place, just for chess, some memes and to crop images.
        
        >that's ALL I use it for
        
        Considering the planet is literally dying to train these models, that ain't a great flex.
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        so... you're ignoring all of the problems with the technology, and trying to negotiate what level of harm to others that you find acceptable for your personal, selfish benefit? like the cards in the post say? gee
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        Can you point to the place in this post that made you think that I would be even remotely interested in this anecdote?
        
        *plonk*
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        Content Warning: cw: AI negative
        
        @twigpi @jwz You are knowingly mixing up LLMs (which are impossible to train locally and without breaking consent/copyright by using half of internet for training, even if already trained model is possible to be run locally), non-ML algorithms (which are not what people are talking about when mentioning AI, nobody is like, angry at Akinator for being "AI", because expert systems aren't related to any of "Generative AI" issues), and a simpler neural network that can be realistically made at home and doesn't output training data in any way (though modern incarnation of it is usually mixed up with LLMs and used for surveillance)
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        cool story bro
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    i would, because as long as the bank has to pay for the damage, bank card fraud is based
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  Asterisk
  
  All, in its totality.
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Attended a wedding yesterday. Met an old friend who was like «So, I am currently experiencing a lot with making AI music. I have to ask you as a composer how you feel about this?» I could only facepalm as loudly as possible and ask if we could please, PLEASE talk about something else. Weddings are supposed to be happy! Wish I had this card.
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  Gah. I was at a human composed opera a while ago and was similarly taken aback:
  
  Den of Earth (@DenOfEarth@mas.to):
  
  @lokeloski@mastodon.social
  I recently went to an opera where the composer was not only present but also performing as one of the soloists, among five other vocalists, along with a men's choir, accompanied by a full orchestra.
  
  The backdrop to this rich contribution to human musical art was AI visuals projected onto a screen.
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  I’m quite confused about what possible answer they were looking for to ‘I’m stealing creative output from your professional community with products that will take away your livelihood” 🤷‍♀️@jwz@mastodon.social
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    Now imagine being a therapist to whom people explain how their "AI Therapist" is good, actually
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I'm very seriously considering producing these in a French version.
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  vas-y, et n'oublie pas de partager s.t.p.
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    Bien sûr que non !
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can I get this on a tshirt (to go with my "please stop putting AI in everything, everybody hates it nobody asked for it" tshirt)
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  You have the PDF, go hog wild.
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  My first thought on seeing the post was, "awesome, what's the best way for me to get one?"
  
  Second thought was, "oh, look, jwz helpfully provided a pdf. No need to bother him about it."
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    I do appreciate the explicit permission to use it for this purpose though.
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I want some, even though I dont often talk with people lol
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I'm pleased to note that where the cards say "YOU MAKE ME LONG FOR THE SWIFT EMBRACE OF DEATH" that they don't specify WHOSE death.
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  It would be jwz because that would run a mile from me 😏
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I don't get it. Is this like a big chunk of your identity or something?
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  I am a magnet for the most tedious motherfuckers in the bar.
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is it so tedious? Everyone hates it, yes, but humans are herd animals, we need common things to talk about. Weather, ai, russians...
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  "Fuck you", he explained.
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You haven't printed enough. I'm imagining your walk to the shops is like that scene in Airplane!
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I love it. Now I need to translate it to Spanish
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  Hey, I had the same idea! Please share if you do.
  @jwz
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      Thank you for your service!
      
      Though... I ran this past a native Spanish speaker and we question your translations of "cringe" and "motherfuckers".
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perfect, thank you !
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jesus christ this whole thread is seething lmao
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There are an absolutely incredible number of blockables in the replies to this post, amazing really given the point about consent.
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  My blocklist has more than doubled in length just from the replies to this post.
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    Blocklist honeypots are just one of the services I provide!
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      value added!
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I noticed even my local grocery store is using it too 🙀
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Put a copy of the PDF on your rotating adboard. I want to see what happens when the inevitable techbro "just listen, I got a good idea for a second" people learn your opinions without being asked for them, the same way this comment section appears to want to put their ideas of AI into your thoughtspace without being asked.
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thank you!
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i would rather talk to latter day saints than AI zealots. and i *hate* folks ringing my doorbell at 8am on Sunday.
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  Many LDS people are actually very nice if a bit earnest.
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*chef's kiss*

Need to cook up some or my own that say things along the line of "if I ever had respect for you, that has past", or "you having goven me carte blance to rant about AI at you for 30 minutes straight", or "you sound gullible, and if you don't think AI is a bubble, I have some tulip bulb futures to srll you"
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  one of the greatest lines I have ever heard in my life was “please stop while I can still think less of you.”
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It's like demonizing MySQL app, maybe it runs at some datacenter, and it can do video editing too. It's actually not much useful application if you notice it just takes wiki pages and
google links at face value.
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  What the fuck is wrong with you? *plonk*
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Thank you!
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Ai's are going to become the biggest waste ever. China will be making a box versions of them all within 20 years, when particle memory is achieved.
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let's get some made

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Propz 4 the text on these cards and 4 the sentiment that it expresses.
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Since this post has "escaped containment", as the kids today say, might I direct you to the MASTODON'T checkbox up top. You're welcome.
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  This is the first time I have ever felt the need to invoke that button in particular, and my gratitude is eternal...
  
  ...though oddly when I clicked it suddenly this post of yours with no apparent Mastodon association got Herp Derped. (I figured some of your replies were on Mastodon, but this one getting it was weird.)
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    The Herpstodon-here gateway is one way, so you have to reply there for the Herpstodon user to see it,
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But...why not talk about?
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  Have you been in hypersleep for 57 years?
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I agree with the sentiments on these and would hand them out *if* they didn't have the word mother****er" on them.

I do not use speech like that. I believe that using a cuss shows a lack of vocabulary. By saying that I am not passing any judgement over anyone else. It is my personal feelings for myself and nobody else.

If you change them, I'd be happy to print some out.
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  "Fuck you", he explained.
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    Ok then. Thanks for your kind consideration, friend.
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      My dude, he owes you nothing. Go make your own cards if you prefer different language. Striding around like the swear police and expecting others to pave your smugly puritanical high road before you is fucking tedious.
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        Donovan, if you would have read my entire post, you would have seen that I don't care about other's language, just my own. I stated pretty clearly that I wasn't judging anyone.
        
        I note here that you are judging me, tho.
        
        Buh bye
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  No, *never* saying 'fuck' demonstrates a lack of vocabulary. It demonstrates that one's vocabulary lacks the word 'fuck', one of the most versatile words in the English language.
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    Patrick, a screwdriver can also be an icepick, a hammer, a prybar, a wedge.
    
    Does that mean you only need a screwdriver in your toolbox? 'Cause if that's all you have, you're not clever, you're lazy.
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      *plonk*
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  Well aren't you a special little boy.
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    Stick yer nose somewhere else, ass.
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  This better? I was going to ask what word you wanted in its place but the text has been exported as curves, making editing this quite the challenge.
  
  I will admit I feel as strongly as jwz on this one… I don't use speech like that in normal conditions either, but for AI techbros, I make an exception.
  
  [ IMG REDACTED ]
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    Hey, I appreciate it, Stewart.
    
    I feel very strongly about "AI" too.
    
    I was only trying to point out that many many peeps feel that "AI" is gonna be the end of us for a number of reasons, but that we don't all think that cussing will get us listened to. For some, cussing is instant dismissal, rather than an inducement to listen.
    
    Thanks.
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        I'm with you! Before I cleaned up my act I made a point of enunciating the eff bomb *very* clearly for *exactly* that reason.
        
        I toured on a road crew for an entertainer, and every 2nd word was eff this and eff that.
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      Oh yes, it is an existential threat but by no means should we use foul language. That would be indecorous.. Let's save strong words for something important.
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        You mock me, yes?
        
        Strong words are not only cusswords, ya know.
        
        Jamie, I'd rather be on your good side that your bad. Looking at jwz.org, you've made a boatload of slick stuff over that years, stuff I've used and liked.
        
        I don't give a rip if you cuss, but I do care if you think I'm some kinda prude or something.
        
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        I am in fact mocking the fuck out of you, and I do think you are some kind of prude. Yea.
        
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        You're allowed.
        
        But I don't have to live that way you think I am. So screw you.
        
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        Oh, the hilarious hypocrisy of a guy spending an entire sub-thread saying "People shouldn't swear" only sign off with "Screw you"! 😄
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    I think that re-posting my work only to edit out the entirely appropriate -- and carefully chosen -- word "motherfuckers" is, and this is a technical term of art, an absolute dick move. Fuck you.
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      Well, I did not do it to cause offence.
      
      But, you choose to see it however you wish to see it. I at least left the original credit there, many would not.
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        "I can hypothesize someone doing something shittier" is not the flex you think it is.
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That's the good stuff.
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Huh. The ratio of "OMG thank you for this" : "But have you considered..." is much better than I expected. Maybe you've already blocked a good proportion of the dingbats who would normally be here. (*narrator's voice*: They would not be the last dingbats...)
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  I have blocked a number of dingbats.
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naaa this is another bad joke…
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The replies to posts stating that genAI stans are tedious motherfuckers invariably demonstrate that genAI stans are, indeed, tedious motherfuckers.
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You are awesome. Thank you.
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Just came to this post now. Already has 82 comments. 🙄 Slop-peddlers really don't waste any time, do they?
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I call it "Machine Jesus"
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the irony considering this is the app that seeming talks about ai the most in my experience to tell to to tell people not to talk to me about ai
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mine say: "NEVER talk to me about AI"
plum says:

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"How DO these people end up in the comments?"

And I realized I had opened it in a different browser profile without mastodon't enabled.

Technology (linking one's blog to mastodon) truly does enable new and profound horrors.
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why are you on the machine right now
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  wat
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Luddite
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  imagine believing this to be an insult. the luddites were, in fact, correct.
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  Proudly. *plonk*
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  Tell me you have no idea who the Luddites were, what they objected to, or why without telling me you have no idea who the Luddites were, what they objected to, or why.
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"It's nothing but RAM, Nvidia and a cache."
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As with any post that escapes containment, the race is now on to see who can be the most completely insufferable:
• Butthurt Slopfondlers
• Mastodon HOA Alt Text Scolds https://jwz.org/b/ykho
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  Your picture of some cards seems to have caused a lot of people to do the thing that was explicitly forbidden by the cards
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  The HOA types will win.
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somehow these cards remind me of a guy I met on a shared trip around the corner from the DNA, around 2015ish. He was a developer who'd been forced to attend some tedious "networking" thing and had entertained himself by pitching an app that would allow people to rent extra space in their refrigerators - "The Uber for your fridge!" and then timed how long it would take for his interlocutors to figure out he was bullshitting them. Naturally, some never did.
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  Slopfondler goes *plonk*
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  image/gif to you too.
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cringe
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  Slopfondler goes *plonk*
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    sure thing buddy. 🙉🙈 - these don't win any battles and don't elect any policies. Let me know how people react to this cringe shit please because even cringe lord like you will be surprised.
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I noticed that those who don’t like it are said the most about AI.
at least in my practice. I think a lot of people can discuss for a long time how they hate something :blobfoxfingerguns:
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I love these and will definitely be making some.
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OK, for fun, this is kind of a "remix". Well, more "inspired by" because I didn't use the provided pdf, just referenced against the photo. I wrote it all out by hand, so the original text is somewhat trimmed, but hopefully hits all the high points. Should be print-res and correct ratio for standard business card.I like the "hornet stripe" on the top, it gives fair warning about the touchiness of the subject. The quotes around "AI" could stand to look more like demon horns or something, but I didn't think of that until I got it uploaded...
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climate change is not real
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  Ok 2 followers 1 following, whatever you say, bro. *plonk*

Do Not Talk To Me About "AI"

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