"America is incredibly complicated, and I'm pretty intent on loving it regardless of its complication."

This conversation was fun to listen back over. WD James of Philosopher’s Holler and I recorded this just over a week ago, and there were many gems.

Here’s another one from WD: “When things broke down into left and right, that was the truth itself getting broken up.”

We referenced an essay series WD has been posting, the most recent two pieces are linked below:

Blowing Up Liberalism From Within (Part 1) and (Part 2)

What I appreciate about WD’s perspective is that it makes room for nuance: The world—and America—is not simply left and right, or up and down. It is, as the title indicates, incredibly complicated, but worth loving anyway.

This is hopeful. It heartens.

And next time, maybe we will talk about music.