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The Anti-Dystopians · Dec 16, 2024

The Final Fun-Tier: WALL-E, Treasure Planet and Disney’s Nazi Rocket Scientist

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A Conversation with Rowena Squires

If you’re wondering what to watch over the holiday break, this week’s episode will give you all the best film and television recommendations—and make you see your favorites in another light. (As the saying goes: never go to the theatre with a film major.)

I caught up with Rowena Squires, a PhD Candidate at Cambridge University in Children’s Literature. Although most of the tech billionaires cite hardcore sci-fi literature as what inspired them to go to outer space, Rowena introduces us to the neglected but critical history of outer space in children’s animation. We discussed the (not-so-cute-after-all) robot and consumerist environmental collapse of Earth in WALL-E; the re-telling of colonial narratives of the frontier in Treasure Planet and Lightyear; and Walt Disney’s relationship with the former Nazi rocket scientist Werner von Braun in selling the American public on space, and Space Mountain. We also talked about better ways of imagining outer space and humans’ relationship to nature, on Earth and in the stars — and some good viewing recommendations for your holiday break this year.

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