Mind Blown: What Really Took Down the Towers

When Dave and Jason sat down with me, they expected a compelling conversation. What they got instead completely blew their minds, and forced them to reassess everything they thought they knew about 9/11.

In this explosive 2.5-hour discussion, I lay out the directed energy evidence, with evidence so startling — levitating dust clouds, engines melting in warm (not hot) debris, Building 7’s silent collapse, and the hidden military contractors who specialized in exactly this technology — that the hosts are left questioning long-held assumptions, and pushing back hard in real time.

If you’re ready to have your own worldview shaken, this is the episode that changes the conversation.

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Timestamps are approximate but closely aligned with the auto-generated transcript markers and natural conversation breaks.

I’ve grouped them into major sections for easier navigation.

Opening / intro segment on overlooked DEW anomalies.

Early mentions of contractors (SIAC / SAE & ARRA) for security / cleanup, ties to psyops, weather research, WMDs / DEW, Hurricane Erin, levitating dust cloud effects, and warm (not hot) dust melting engines.

• 1:28 – 3:37: Dave’s monologue on 9/11’s long-term global impact (wars, surveillance state expansion, civil liberties erosion, narrative control / psyops).

• 3:37 – 6:30: Personal 9/11 stories begin — Norman (South Africa, age 23, watching CNN as waiter; saw second impact and predicted major war).

• 6:30 – 9:00: Jason’s story (in NYC that day; inhaled debris / smoke from towers; personal details about location and effects).

• 9:00 – 10:55: Dave’s story (Nova Scotia; learned news next day; helped with diverted planes in Halifax as culinary student). Transition into broader context.

My Journey into the 9/11 “Truth” Movement

• 10:55 – 20:00: My entry into conspiracy research (2005–2006 via YouTube: JFK, pyramids, ancient aliens, then 9/11 docs like Loose Change, In Plain Sight, The New Pearl Harbor).

• 20:00 – 30:00: Exploration of competing theories (thermite / Steven E. Jones experiments, nukes, Judy Wood’s DEW). Early infighting in the movement.

• 30:00 – 40:47: Deeper dive into movement dynamics — Scholars for 9/11 Truth formation / splits, books by Andrew Johnson, exposing internal issues (“shenanigans”), My later Zoom calls and challenges to figures like Richard Gage. Pre-9/11 media priming of bin Laden narrative and predictions by Alex Jones / Bill Cooper.

Site-by-Site Anomalies Tour (WTC Buildings)

• 40:47 – 55:00: Start of detailed building tour. Building 3 (Marriott Hotel): lack of expected rubble after South Tower collapse; mostly dust; anomalous dust cloud physics (warm, levitating people/vehicles, melting engines, pieces turning to dust mid-fall).

• 55:00 – 1:05:00: Building 4 anomalies (75% “sliced off,” empty basements despite rubble expectations, undamaged nearby structures). Building 5 (circular holes, minimal debris).

• 1:05:00 – 1:17:29: Building 6 details (interior vanished, holes; careful cable-based “demolition” to protect slurry wall/bathtub). Broader anomalies: no major lateral steel ejection, empty / minimally filled basements across sites, dust physics defying conventional models. Hosts question / push back on details.

Building 7 Collapse & Initial DEW Shift

• 1:17:29 – 1:22:00: Building 7 focused discussion — silent collapse (no audible explosions in original audio), low seismic readings (jackhammer level, surface waves only, no strong P/S waves like typical demolitions). Comparison to other controlled demolitions. Dust cloud behavior. Eric Edward Currant hoax video mentioned.

• 1:22:00 – 1:27:00+: Transition to DEW explanations. “Cooking” effect (rapid on Twins, slower ~8-hour process on B7, microwave-like). Smoke sucked upward. Introduction to supporting tech / history (John Hutcherson experiments with Tesla coils causing metal effects like fracturing, cold glowing, levitation).

DEW Evidence, Tech Details, Criticisms & Lingering Effects

• 1:27:00 – 1:32:00: Hutcherson replications (early 90’s TV visits to his setup; strange effects like pipe bursts, radio interference). Martin Fleman Memorial Project / Bob Greenyer’s metal sample research (300+ videos on low-energy nuclear reactions / transmutation-like effects). Patricia Casazza’s (Jersey Girl) 25-year dust sample now analyzed as evidence of energy weapon use (building as “fuel”).

• 1:32:00 – 1:40:00: Contractor ties (SIAC / ARA in cleanup / psyops / DEW expertise; Hurricane Erin link). DEPS (Directed Energy Professional Society, founded 1999 with $30M startup). NIST report critique (limited scope, didn’t prove key mechanisms). Annual DEPS symposia timing. Claim that truth movement was steered to make DEW seem “crazy.”

• 1:40:00 – 1:50:00: Criticisms of other figures — Steven Greer (Disclosure Project avoiding 9/11 DEW), Ashton Forbes (tech promotion but blocking 9/11 links), Jeremy Rys (“thermite junkie” despite free energy talks). Thermite challenges (T. Mark Hightower ex-NASA calculations unanswered for 15+ years). Richard Gage / AE911Truth focus on B7, donations, selective use of evidence, resistance to broader anomalies (Banker’s Trust beams curling vertically like Hutcherson samples, undamaged bathtub, vehicle shifts, magnetic/Hurricane Erin effects).

• 1:50:00 – 2:00:00: Banker’s Trust and other building anomalies (degradation like ocean-immersed steel, fires during deconstruction, deaths). Lingering site effects (fuming until 2006, hosing in 2008, dump trucks with fresh dirt to absorb energy). Polluted groundwater / iron effects at WTC, Pentagon, Shanksville (trees / plants used to mitigate). Recommendations to compare Dr. Wood’s 2012 presentation vs. Gage.

Disinfo Layers, Recommendations, Takeaways & Wrap-Up

• 2:00:00 – 2:10:00: Broader context — Stephen E. Jones (photo manipulation claims, cold fusion history / suppression; Eugene Mallove’s Fire from Ice). Multi-layered disinformation (post-COVID examples). Patriot Act origins / surveillance state. Emotional / personal site recollections. Predictive programming and path to current tech / AI dystopia.

• 2:10:00 – 2:19:00: More on movement critiques and emotional elements.

• 2:19:00 – 2:24:00: Strong recommendations — 911 Alchemy (3-hour doc by Chris Hampton / Mark Conlin covering planes, Wood, Hutcherson, etc.), 911 Essential Guide (1-hour summary). Books: Dr. Judy Wood’s Where Did the Towers Go?, Andrew Johnson’s works (free resources available). Main takeaway: Understand what happened first (anomalies across 10 buildings), then how / why / who. Critique of truth movement for distractions vs. full evidence review.

• 2:24:00 – End (2:27:00): Closing thoughts on technology’s dual-use potential (weaponized vs. beneficial breakthrough energy), accountability, and revisiting 9/11 with modern evidence / lens. Final exchanges and wrap-up.

Thank you for reading, thank you for watching, listening and still caring.

The long awaited “New Investigation”, is contained in this scary book by Dr Judy Wood.

For a 1h crash course into the destruction at the WTC watch the 9/11 Essential Guide.

For a crash course into all three sites on 9/11, watch 9/11 Alchemy: Facing Reality.

Free PDF book downloads by Andrew Johnson:

9/11 – Finding the Truth and also 9/11 – Holding the Truth

Also get your hands on:

ChatGPT and 9/11 - Operation Headfake: A Thought Experiment with Artificial Intelligence, co-authored by Dr Morgan Reynolds, and John Herold, MA.

Kindle edition & a link to standard colour printed edition.

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